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Post by bobness on Mar 14, 2023 10:49:29 GMT
But they are "the league"... Wrong wrong and wrong... Without the supporters who turn up they'd be no league .. they may have huge egos and think the league wouldn't survive without them that's probably why the league is stagnant No, I mean they are the league, in terms of management. Thus "the league" is unlikely to forcibly excise bits of itself. "The league" simply isn't big enough to have an independent tier of management. The 10 clubs sit round the table and make decisions. That's just how it is.
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Post by bobness on Mar 14, 2023 8:59:39 GMT
It's been tin pot for years it's a closed shop old boys club and they wonder why better sports networks don't want to cover or have anything to do with the league .. the sooner the league removes the likes of Simms, Smith, kelman etc and all other conflict of interest then it ain't moving forward professionally But they are "the league"...
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Post by bobness on Mar 14, 2023 8:52:41 GMT
Took me 5 mins. What's not to like ? Five minutes,blimey it took me nearly an hour. They won’t like it though. Lol An hour. Was 59 minutes of that spent deciding who your favourite team were?
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Post by bobness on Mar 14, 2023 7:40:20 GMT
Am I correct in saying that our owner has an interest in Dundee Stars as well as the Panthers? How is that allowed without a conflict of interest? Am I missing something? The EIHL is a very murky old world. You will find that out the more you watch. The harder you look the more you find.
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Post by bobness on Mar 13, 2023 21:30:44 GMT
I think the chairmen is effectively one of the 10 club reps. So someone is bound to have a conflict. That’s relatively common to be fair in similar set ups.
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Post by bobness on Mar 13, 2023 19:09:23 GMT
Are PWC doing this gratis? One assumes you’ve never worked with PwC before? 😂 They don’t fart for free, let alone work…
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Post by bobness on Mar 13, 2023 19:08:07 GMT
Started this but don’t have the patience or the time to answer more questions than a months worth of question time, plus nothing will change, total load of poop as you say on this forum. Just shows the education and boring attitude of these idiots, That’s the attitude of someone wants change but doesn’t want to put himself out for 5 minutes to be part of it. Good effort. Oh, hang on….
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Post by bobness on Mar 13, 2023 13:17:03 GMT
Tell you what's even rarer. A PPG. That makes Panthers 2 for 21 on the PP since the Steelers game 4 Feb. Ouch. Since Neilson's arrival, the PP has got worse and worse. Panthers have comfortably scored the least PPGs in the EIHL this season, albeit from also comfortably the least opportunities.
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Post by bobness on Mar 12, 2023 18:10:00 GMT
Thank you JD and bobness. At least I have the "grapes" to summit my predictions. Fair play to you, sir. I meant no disrespect.
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Post by bobness on Mar 12, 2023 15:01:12 GMT
Before last night...
Sorenson has taken a penalty in the last 5 games, the longest consecutive streak by a Panther all season. Panthers have spent 2148 seconds on PKs on Soresnson penalties, next most is Caruso, 1,442. Panthers have conceded 5 goals on the 15 penalty kills caused by penalties to Gagnon. (And are 3 conceded on 3 penalties to Lagrone, but that's a small sample size) Panthers are 0 for 16 on the PP vs Glasgow this season. Conversely, 4 for 16 vs Belfast. They are 23 for 24 on the PK vs Devils (a perfect 10 for 10 at home) but only 7 for 11 vs Blaze. In the last 13 games, Panthers have gone 33 for 36 on the PK, but only 3 for 34 on the PP. Panthers have been outshot in 15 of their last 18 games. -152 in games outshot, vs +53 in the rest (35 of those in one game, the 2-1 loss to Clan at home) Panthers outshot their opposition 18 times in the first 26 games. Gagnon is the only current Panther with points against all 9 other EIHL teams.
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Post by bobness on Mar 12, 2023 8:20:20 GMT
Not often Steelers are shut out at home?
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Post by bobness on Mar 12, 2023 8:08:02 GMT
The Grapes Count :- Flyers 3 : Panthers 2. Close but home advantage to be the telling factor. Spot on! Law of big numbers says it had to happen sooner or later. 😂👍
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 19:32:23 GMT
But over time, it almost certainly averages out. Swings and roundabouts etc. If you’re Fab Ricci in the 1-6 Giants game, you get an assist for a goal you had absolute nothing to do with!
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 12:47:32 GMT
Isn't that why the POFW is so important to the "smaller" clubs? Anyway, neither of us know too much about pretty much everything we're talking about here. There's a lot of assuming. Yes apparently so with POFW, or at least so I was told several years ago by one of the leagues leading figures that the money generated from it is shared equally between all the leagues teams. That doesn’t change the overall financial imbalance between the big and small teams though. If somebody gave both you and me £50 our bank balances after would still remain the same distance apart. No, but every sporting league in the world has its "haves" and "have nots", I'd say. Even wage capped leagues have teams that are perennially challengers and teams that aren't. That's why "Moneyball" is so fascinating, but that's a whole other story.
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 10:47:18 GMT
Whichever way you look at it there is big money being made by some whilst others exist on the breadline. Isn't that why the POFW is so important to the "smaller" clubs? Anyway, neither of us know too much about pretty much everything we're talking about here. There's a lot of assuming.
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 8:44:53 GMT
There's certain things you don't need proof with Agreed. Most people call them opinions, as opposed to facts.
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 8:43:56 GMT
No-one does, of course, but if you think Steelers make millions of profits a year, we’ll have to disagree. And that’s fine, until anyone has any proof we can both be right. 😂 There's certain things you don't need proof with, by your own admission you just think black loses a fortune every year! I'm surprised he hadn't sold up as his business model isn't working I can tell you exactly how much final profit Black made last year out of Panthers and Clan combined, as they (Aladdin Management Limited) filed their accounts this week. £18,732. What that doesn't tell us of course is what turnover was, what the costs are, any dividends, any intercompany transactions, management charges etc. We can argue all we like, no-one knows. (Well, they do, but they won't tell you on here) Same for Steelers Ice Arena Limited, which is the Steelers company (I'm pretty sure). Year to March 22, increase in P&L reserve was £173k. But again, we don't know any details. And it had £200k less cash. In its lifetime, SIA has £187k of retained profits. AM has £114k. Without any detail, anything we "conclude" is pure speculation. The detail is absent not to "keep the fans in the dark", but because they (like virtually every other company in that situation) are taking advantage of s444 of the Companies Act 2006, as a "small company" as defined by that Act, but I'm sure you knew that.
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 7:45:20 GMT
Like what's been said alot on this roster have been 'panthered' it's remarkable it happens every year how they can turn decent looking player's (based on CVs) to average ones within 6 months! That seems to have happened a lot this season, you have to say.
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 7:29:23 GMT
Blaze have won, 3-2. Got to win your home games. Indeed, that’s a big chance fluffed for the Flames. They can’t afford to that much more.
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 7:18:29 GMT
I've moved these, as you lot are ruining my around the rinks thread. Carry on. Fair do’s.
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 7:18:06 GMT
So show us all some. Otherwise it’s all conjecture, isn’t it? Not really it's just you being blind to the fact. You really think steelers do all this just to break even !! Wake up No-one does, of course, but if you think Steelers make millions of profits a year, we’ll have to disagree. And that’s fine, until anyone has any proof we can both be right. 😂
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Post by bobness on Mar 8, 2023 22:21:35 GMT
Of course I understand economics and that there are many other costs, I ran my own company for 28 years ! In the Steelers case they will turnover well in excess of £3million a season, so even if players cost them £600k which I very much doubt at present,you show me where the other £2.5million plus goes because they sure as heck don’t spend that amount on arena rent,flights,housing, travel, equipment, staff wages and insurance etc even after factoring in for vat. And if the costs of hockey are so high how come there are several other clubs who exist on crowds of only a quarter to a third of the Steelers crowds ? No I don’t know the name of the Steelers company it’s run through,but even if you found it I’ll bet that just like with Panthers the real figures will be hidden to hide the true picture from the fans. Exactly they make huge profits So show us all some. Otherwise it’s all conjecture, isn’t it?
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Post by bobness on Mar 8, 2023 21:32:47 GMT
One flash goal doesn't make him worth keeping, for me. Still at around 0.5PPG, and Kelsall has more goals than him, although he (Levin) is assist leader, and +/- leader of current players. There's just something about him I haven't taken to. The puck stays on his stick far too long most of the time. he is head and shoulders above the rest of the team. Much better than Hammond who loads of fans seem to still like. Levin looks two steps ahead of the rest of the team and I think that holds him back. Levin is our only player who gets into Belfast's or Sheffields team. So he’s head and shoulders the best player in the team but he’s so good he’s only scoring at half a point a game, yet he gets into two far better teams? Not sure I get the logic, but ok.
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Post by bobness on Mar 8, 2023 13:53:27 GMT
Levin is our only import worth keeping and I highly doubt he will be back. One flash goal doesn't make him worth keeping, for me. Still at around 0.5PPG, and Kelsall has more goals than him, although he (Levin) is assist leader, and +/- leader of current players. There's just something about him I haven't taken to. The puck stays on his stick far too long most of the time.
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Post by bobness on Mar 8, 2023 10:57:17 GMT
You think Smith only spends 12.5k a week on players 🤣🤣 Who knows,but the EIHL must have some cap checks in place you’d assume, but even if he spent £20k a week on players Smith would still be making a massive profit. The Steelers must be turning over well in excess of £3million a season and £20k a week on players would only be £600k. They’re having the fans pants down royally with such a paltry cap figure,all because they have to cow down to the little clubs. The quality of top flight UK hockey these days is absolute garbage compared to 20 years ago. I love your take on the economics of hockey in the UK, especially Sheffield. You seriously think they have no other costs than players? And get to keep £100k of ticket sales every game, 30 times a season? Do you know the actual name of the company the Steelers is run through?
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