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Post by jdizpt8 on Nov 15, 2016 20:55:28 GMT
Instead of logging endless pages on the 8-1 drumming by Sheffield I felt a stand along thread was in order:
The scarf idea i feel has some legs, its a good indicator of who wants to try and force change within the club. I appreciate the reasoning for the colours used by the Man United fans but i feel if we wear black and white strips that will just look like its to do with the club and get lost in the crowd. The way the yellow and green stood out against a sea of red was a site to see.
I feel Red and White strips would stand out quite well and can be sourced quite easily. What a site it would be to go to the next home ground and see 50 red and white striped scarfs around the arena and this to grow week on week until there's a couple hundred coming together in groups.
Feel free to add any ideas, thoughts or feedback.
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Post by titch on Nov 15, 2016 21:31:29 GMT
I'm not quite sure about the scarf thing - what would it really do? It's not disrupting anybody apart from your self - having to wear it / wave it. Maybe I've not read the thread properly and I'm being ignorant.
I'd have thought throwing tennis balls or pucks during a period break that have 'GM OUT' written on them would be more efficient? It says on football tickets that if you go on a football pitch or throw anything on it, you will be ejected from the stadium and yet that's how people protest in football? Maybe a large banner would do the trick too?
I just don't think a scarf will get anywhere? You will just look like random people who have purchased the same scarf from a local shop.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Nov 15, 2016 21:49:28 GMT
I'm not quite sure about the scarf thing - what would it really do? It's not disrupting anybody apart from your self - having to wear it / wave it. Maybe I've not read the thread properly and I'm being ignorant. I'd have thought throwing tennis balls or pucks during a period break that have 'GM OUT' written on them would be more efficient? It says on football tickets that if you go on a football pitch or throw anything on it, you will be ejected from the stadium and yet that's how people protest in football? Maybe a large banner would do the trick too? I just don't think a scarf will get anywhere? You will just look like random people who have purchased the same scarf from a local shop. the scarf is to identify yourself as someone who wants to affect change. once you have a large following you can put together a boycott or a walk out.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 15, 2016 22:02:32 GMT
I'm not quite sure about the scarf thing - what would it really do? It's not disrupting anybody apart from your self - having to wear it / wave it. Maybe I've not read the thread properly and I'm being ignorant. I'd have thought throwing tennis balls or pucks during a period break that have 'GM OUT' written on them would be more efficient? It says on football tickets that if you go on a football pitch or throw anything on it, you will be ejected from the stadium and yet that's how people protest in football? Maybe a large banner would do the trick too? I just don't think a scarf will get anywhere? You will just look like random people who have purchased the same scarf from a local shop. the scarf is to identify yourself as someone who wants to affect change. once you have a large following you can put together a boycott or a walk out. In which case the colours would be somewhat irrelevant, at least in terms of making an obvious visual impression in the crowd. Maybe the colours from the Notts flag: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_NottinghamshireI think the other point of the scarf is it dents, slightly, the merchandise take, assuming people don't buy an official scarf too of course.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Nov 15, 2016 22:08:51 GMT
the scarf is to identify yourself as someone who wants to affect change. once you have a large following you can put together a boycott or a walk out. In which case the colours would be somewhat irrelevant, at least in terms of making an obvious visual impression in the crowd. Maybe the colours from the Notts flag: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_NottinghamshireI think the other point of the scarf is it dents, slightly, the merchandise take, assuming people don't buy an official scarf too of course. im a fan of the green and red. i feel the colours need to be noticed for people to ask why, and from there you tell them.
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Post by iginla on Nov 15, 2016 22:29:22 GMT
There are far too many colours already in our arena,I think the scarf is a non starter.
I suggest either a simple "Neilson/Moran out" chant during the game,or a meeting point/time for a demonstration.suggested before the game starts. Get a couple of hundred people together chanting in the foyer half an hour before the game and you can soon cause some disruption that can't easily be ignored.
The club will struggle to do or say anything about it,because if they publicise it as Moran is prone to do,they just draw more attention to it.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 15, 2016 22:40:01 GMT
I'd have thought throwing tennis balls or pucks during a period break that have 'GM OUT' written on them would be more efficient? One problem with that... you risk alienating the very people that you want and need on your side - other fans. Whether you agree with it or not, many fans are more interested in watching a game of hockey than in making a protest... even those who might agree with you (partly or completely) could become opposed to your protest if too much disruption is caused (in your example, if it takes so long to gather up the pucks/balls that the period break overruns). No protest group can ultimately succeed if it is not popular amongst the very people it claims to represent.
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Post by titch on Nov 15, 2016 22:41:40 GMT
I agree with iginla, which I don't do very much.
You want something that is hard to ignore by the organisation. Sure, you can stir up interest in the crowd but wearing a scarf isn't going to cause any issues with GM. He already knows many fans are unhappy with the way he does things with the club. The supporters trust is going in the correct direction by doing things by the book and trying to strike up a relationship with the club and if ignored, will go further.
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Post by iginla on Nov 15, 2016 22:54:22 GMT
The way to hit Moran and the club is by causing the arena problems. That could be before the game,which would delay the start,or at the end which delays them closing down. Either way has the potential to cost the club money and that is what talks with Panthers.
Shaggy makes a good point that delays could alienate other fans,yes indeed they may well do. But that could work in a different way too,because if those fans get fed up by the disruption they may stay away,thus again costing the club money.
What I would say to Panthers management is.....don't ignore this protest,or one way or another you are possibly heading for potential trouble and problems.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 15, 2016 23:17:18 GMT
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Post by hallsy666 on Nov 15, 2016 23:18:25 GMT
GM the GM sits to the left of the panthers flag in suite 1 at every game. If you want to direct a banner would be best to face it that way. Wonder if it would even get a reaction as it seems he is not bothered what we think anyway.
How often dose Neil Black come to games? kind of feel the only way there would be much impact was if he was there, unless it was recorded and you could get the whole leage talking about it on social media.
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Post by EMB on Nov 15, 2016 23:28:07 GMT
Flags and banners are a no no. He will have them removed before you even get through the barrier. Once he know something is going off the arena staff will be notified and you will be turned away. We had a petition some years back and the arena staff were running up and down the stairs trying to take away the clipboards and he wad directing them from the exec boxes. The best way is a good old chant especially at a big game like Sheffield where the place is packed. Anyway he'll be monitoring these posts so he has a fair idea what's cracking off,.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 23:38:41 GMT
Sorry if this has already been suggested, but I know it will be early, but as the clock counts down, how about 19:46 on it to start something. Orange might not go down too well either.
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Post by hallsy666 on Nov 15, 2016 23:47:22 GMT
Flags and banners are a no no. He will have them removed before you even get through the barrier. Once he know something is going off the arena staff will be notified and you will be turned away. We had a petition some years back and the arena staff were running up and down the stairs trying to take away the clipboards and he wad directing them from the exec boxes. The best way is a good old chant especially at a big game like Sheffield where the place is packed. Anyway he'll be monitoring these posts so he has a fair idea what's cracking off,. Fair point I forgot about the new search policy. Someone must be watching and listening. Is it just me that finds it funny that just after TCW talk about the physio or lack of panthers retweet about the team physio the next day. (Hi Gary)
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Post by nate24 on Nov 16, 2016 5:52:00 GMT
The way to hit Moran and the club is by causing the arena problems. That could be before the game,which would delay the start,or at the end which delays them closing down. Either way has the potential to cost the club money and that is what talks with Panthers. Shaggy makes a good point that delays could alienate other fans,yes indeed they may well do. But that could work in a different way too,because if those fans get fed up by the disruption they may stay away,thus again costing the club money. What I would say to Panthers management is.....don't ignore this protest,or one way or another you are possibly heading for potential trouble and problems. I completely agree but as cheesy as it is I don't worry to ruin the night for kids that are there. It wouldn't take much to block the lines going into the arena.
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Post by malsbloke on Nov 16, 2016 6:18:53 GMT
Would a row of protesters with their message spelt out on t-shirts ( one large letter per shirt - you know what i mean ) be a way past the banner issue ?
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 16, 2016 8:23:18 GMT
the scarf is to identify yourself as someone who wants to affect change. once you have a large following you can put together a boycott or a walk out. In which case the colours would be somewhat irrelevant, at least in terms of making an obvious visual impression in the crowd. Maybe the colours from the Notts flag: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_NottinghamshireI think the other point of the scarf is it dents, slightly, the merchandise take, assuming people don't buy an official scarf too of course. I think will scalves you want those two points. To be identifiable and simply a way of identifying like minded people. They don't have to have a big visual impact as part of a protest as such. The idea isn't that these are a protest in their own right.More symbolic of a movement to run along side any protest. Could they simply be a way of showing that I support the supporters trust or am a member. That way people can show support regardless of if they chose to protest in other ways or not. People that can't/wont go to Supporters Trust meetings can still show support. Just a thought.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 16, 2016 8:36:19 GMT
I think a simple badge would be better
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 8:44:30 GMT
Stop pussy footing around and get a large number of fans to cause maximum trouble possible. Tennis balls will be best. They can easily be tool in without a search .
The arena staff ain't bright enough to stop such things. It takes them whole periods to remove a single drum from supporters
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 16, 2016 9:18:09 GMT
Stop pussy footing around and get a large number of fans to cause maximum trouble possible. Tennis balls will be best. They can easily be tool in without a search . The arena staff ain't bright enough to stop such things. It takes them whole periods to remove a single drum from supporters It's not about just that though. I have no problem if people choose to do that. The problem is people keep talking about 200/300 fans. I bet you'd be lucky to get 20/30. Hey, i'll aplaud anybody if there are an impactful amount off the bat, and I mean that. Some people wont show just because they're fearful of looking silly with just a few people . Some people are all talk and no trousers. Go for the protests it's fine. I think they can contribute and have an impact. However, as you can see somewhat from this forum already, there are very differing levels people are prepared to go to. Very different people in the arena on game day. I know for a fact that there are plenty of fans unhappy at elements of the way the club is run. The thought of banners, protests or throwing things on to the ice would just be preposterous to them. Ultimatly there needs to be a way of bringing ALL like minded fans together and have some longevity to it if it is really going to see change. The Supoorters trust is the best starting point for this. But there also needs to be something symbolic of this too, whatever it may be.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 16, 2016 9:36:44 GMT
Anything thrown onto the ice would be massively counter productive
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Post by Lucy on Nov 16, 2016 10:08:42 GMT
Flags and banners are a no no. He will have them removed before you even get through the barrier. Once he know something is going off the arena staff will be notified and you will be turned away. We had a petition some years back and the arena staff were running up and down the stairs trying to take away the clipboards and he wad directing them from the exec boxes. The best way is a good old chant especially at a big game like Sheffield where the place is packed. Anyway he'll be monitoring these posts so he has a fair idea what's cracking off,. But we did it! I don't know if you remember, but we got 1,915 signatures to present to the Club. Just a pity Mike Ellis decided to leave anyway - they no doubt made it impossible for him to stay!
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Nov 16, 2016 10:46:56 GMT
I'm not able to go to all games, but going to a game is really the only evening I get to go out in the week. While I'm not against making your point if you are unhappy about the way the club is run/managed, I really don't see how it will benefits anyone by disrupting the game. Before/after a match, ok. But not during. Unless you combine it with the teddy bear toss, ie buy 1500 teddy bears all wearing little t-shirts saying 'Moran out' !
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Post by iginla on Nov 16, 2016 10:48:05 GMT
Stop pussy footing around and get a large number of fans to cause maximum trouble possible. Tennis balls will be best. They can easily be tool in without a search . The arena staff ain't bright enough to stop such things. It takes them whole periods to remove a single drum from supporters It's not about just that though. I have no problem if people choose to do that. The problem is people keep talking about 200/300 fans. I bet you'd be lucky to get 20/30. Hey, i'll aplaud anybody if there are an impactful amount off the bat, and I mean that. Some people wont show just because they're fearful of looking silly with just a few people . Some people are all talk and no trousers. Go for the protests it's fine. I think they can contribute and have an impact. However, as you can see somewhat from this forum already, there are very differing levels people are prepared to go to. Very different people in the arena on game day. I know for a fact that there are plenty of fans unhappy at elements of the way the club is run. The thought of banners, protests or throwing things on to the ice would just be preposterous to them. Ultimatly there needs to be a way of bringing ALL like minded fans together and have some longevity to it if it is really going to see change. The Supoorters trust is the best starting point for this. But there also needs to be something symbolic of this too, whatever it may be. There are two issues here though. 1. The supporters trust...great idea,but it will take time and have Panthers even acknowledged it yet or will they even do so ? We need a trust,but it's not immediately urgent to get it up and running and it will take quite a long time for any effect to take place. 2. The current coach/team/GM situation. This is urgent,Groundhog Day is here again and unless something is done quickly we have six months of watching crap to look forward to and then another season of the same next year when Neilson is back again ! Unless we do something quickly on this nothing will change and this is where game protests/chants need to be seen and heard. Both solutions have there place and uses,but in different ways and they should both happen.
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Post by iginla on Nov 16, 2016 10:53:08 GMT
I'm not able to go to all games, but going to a game is really the only evening I get to go out in the week. While I'm not against making your point if you are unhappy about the way the club is run/managed, I really don't see how it will benefits anyone by disrupting the game. Before/after a match, ok. But not during. Unless you combine it with the teddy bear toss, ie buy 1500 teddy bears all wearing little t-shirts saying 'Moran out' ! Good idea. Put a note in your Teddy bear plastic bag "Moran/Neilson out" and throw it on the ice. Then somebody from Panthers has got to open that bag ! I'm doing that....definitely. Might even make sure my aim is not so good and it hits Neilson on the bench !
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