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Post by jdizpt8 on Nov 16, 2016 12:59:09 GMT
The scarf is to form a United front. It may seem like it'll have no affect of the club but as numbers grow and grow then our voice will become louder. It's not just about the current rot it's about how the fan is treated by the club. How GM tries to make it all about himself. Have a quiz night for a few hours or watch the team train and have a picture but only if you give us £200 to sponsor the player. It doesn't have to be a scarf but something that can be sourced by all who want to show their feeling towards how the club is run. We're all fans, disrupting the game by throwing things on the ice will more than likely end up with a fair few people getting hit in the head by a tennis ball. Also limits it to those who don't sit in blocks 8-12 where the netting is.
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Post by Paul on Nov 16, 2016 13:19:33 GMT
How about some sort of Twitter/Facebook campaign? Get people to tweet/whatever putting something on Facebook is called that they're not going to buy a 50-50/programme/shirt of his back ticket/food/whatever in the arena & make sure to tag the Panthers in it.
Maybe create a hashtag to go with it, maybe something like #justtheticket
It's free, easily measurable (just search for the hastag) and it simply and effectively shows Panthers what they're missing without affecting those fans that don't want to get involved.
Just a thought
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Post by dexter on Nov 16, 2016 13:33:48 GMT
How about some sort of Twitter/Facebook campaign? Get people to tweet/whatever putting something on Facebook is called that they're not going to buy a 50-50/programme/shirt of his back ticket/food/whatever in the arena & make sure to tag the Panthers in it. Maybe create a hashtag to go with it, maybe something like #justtheticket It's free, easily measurable (just search for the hastag) and it simply and effectively shows Panthers what they're missing without affecting those fans that don't want to get involved. Just a thought Totally agree with the above, the most impact will be gained by doing things that have a financial effect. For those who have season tickets I would also suggest that non-ST games are boycotted.
For those who don't use social media how about handing out leaflets outside the arena to encourage people to stop buying these things? Should be a cheap and easy way to get the message out and why it's being done, although it would need managing and coordinating. We also need to be clear on what exactly our aims are.
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Post by grrm on Nov 16, 2016 13:39:26 GMT
Hi everyone, this is my very first post. I like many here believe it is time for change, but how do we get the message across? Firstly - The Supporters Trust is a must, this will take time but should be seen not as a way to effect change now, but rather to allow club and supporters to work together in the best interests of both parties for the future. This work needs to be on-going.
So how do we put pressure on the current coaching / management staff for change?
I've listen to all the ideas suggested so far and all have some merit, but I don't believe the tennis balls or the teddy toss with messages are the way to go for this simple reason. Only a very small number of panthers supporters are actually aware or read this forum, so they have no way to join in on the day, even if they would have liked to!
In fact the message in the teddy bag will go completely un-noticed by everyone there!! and the tennis balls are likely to result in people being banned from the arena.
The best way is simply some rehearsed chants. The chants should be clear in what they want and also be supportive of the club, it's the people that need to change. So, I would suggest the following:
Midway through EACH period the following is sung (must be during play, otherwise the music will drown the chant out):
Chant 1) "WE WANT CHANGE - WE WANT CHANGE" etc keep going long enough for others to realise what is being sung and allow them to JOIN IN!!
Chant 2) to be sung during the following shift "CORY OUT - CORY OUT" etc, again as above to let people join in.
Chant 3) to be sung during the next shift "GARY OUT - GARY OUT" etc....
Because I do believe we need to also SUPPORT the team (bad as they currently are) we should then chant something like:
"WE LOVE YOU PANTHERS WE DO - WE LOVE YOU PANTHERS WE DO - WE LOVE YOU PANTHERS WE DO, ooOH PANTHERS WE LOVE YOU" immediately followed by
"BUT WE NEED CHANGE - WE NEED CHANGE"
All this makes it clear to Cory and Gary we want them out, it allows others to join in and voice their discontent and hopefully also gets picked up be the media.
That's my blueprint for getting the ball rolling, nothing needed to "sneek" into the arena other than your voice! and can be easily repeated at every game!!!
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Post by Yotes on Nov 16, 2016 14:00:46 GMT
There are two issues here though. 1. The supporters trust...great idea,but it will take time and have Panthers even acknowledged it yet or will they even do so ? We need a trust,but it's not immediately urgent to get it up and running and it will take quite a long time for any effect to take place. Agree, it's important too that the Supporters Trust doesn't become seen as a protest movement in the eyes of fans, or the business. It's about much more than the here and now. It will hopefully be running long after the current incumbents have gone the way of all things. 2. The current coach/team/GM situation. This is urgent,Groundhog Day is here again and unless something is done quickly we have six months of watching crap to look forward to and then another season of the same next year when Neilson is back again ! Unless we do something quickly on this nothing will change and this is where game protests/chants need to be seen and heard. Thing is, you're never going to get enough support to do anything on scale, at least not quickly enough to have any sort of effect on the team this year. We all know this. There's 6000+ people in the NIC and The Cage's echo chamber can probably make our dissatisfaction with the whole thing seem more widespread than it is. A lot of the casuals won't really know or care about the state of the team. The scarf/badge is a way for the disaffected to identify themselves to each other, and eventually seep into the wider public consciousness ("Why are they wearing that?"). Personally in the short term I think the individual has to make his/her own little acts of protest - be brave enough to start a chant like the ones mentioned above - even if you'll get odd looks and a lot won't agree with you, bring an individual sign in, like Paul says don't buy the merchandise, don't buy the CC quarterfinal games, don't buy 50-50s or the SOHB tickets, leave a little note to GM in with your charity bear if you want, write to Black, tweet his lads, etc. Little things that together add up to something. There's not going to be a sit in after the game or hundreds of Moran Out tennis balls launched at the ice, just won't happen.
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 16, 2016 14:31:16 GMT
Absolutely the Supporters Trust can't and won't be involved in any way with anything like throwing things onto the ice during a game or deliberately breaking any ticket rules etc.
We are looking to work with the club to improve things for all fans in the short, medium and long term.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 16, 2016 15:06:31 GMT
Even if it was a good idea to throw things onto the ice (which it isn't) you would have 20 people at the very most and that would give GM the perfect chance to go on the attack himself and strenthen his position even more as so few people would know what the hell was going on. GM and his sheep would lap it up.
I like the idea of a badge that says what you want to get across and is a very public statement. Something like that the Panthers org have no control over would be very powerful and would catch on very quickly.
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 16, 2016 15:12:49 GMT
I would also add that if you're on this thread and your feelings are strong enough that you are talking about protests. If you haven't got involved with the Supporters Trust why not?
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Post by nate24 on Nov 16, 2016 16:25:19 GMT
GM the Trump of the EIHL!
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Post by ollicat on Nov 16, 2016 17:43:34 GMT
Surely the most effective protest is to remain silent. Silence can be deafening and you cannot be ejected from the arena for it.
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Post by DMS on Nov 16, 2016 18:41:38 GMT
I think a simple badge would be better With respect, what on earth is a badge going to achieve? The organisation won't notice it, people in the crowd won't notice it. If it is to signify you are a person that wants change then fair enough but why not do something more proactive?
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Post by spik on Nov 16, 2016 18:58:14 GMT
I'd have thought throwing tennis balls or pucks during a period break that have 'GM OUT' written on them would be more efficient? One problem with that... you risk alienating the very people that you want and need on your side - other fans. Whether you agree with it or not, many fans are more interested in watching a game of hockey than in making a protest... even those who might agree with you (partly or completely) could become opposed to your protest if too much disruption is caused (in your example, if it takes so long to gather up the pucks/balls that the period break overruns). No protest group can ultimately succeed if it is not popular amongst the very people it claims to represent. Throwing anything on ice/near people etc is just an irresponsible action. Get a 'trust' badge sewn onto your already bought item in Panthers colours and make it shown near the club badge. The idea is to make sensitive protest not ruin someones 'entertainment'. In time if effectively 'sold' it will be ' oh look there's one of those Trust emblems again'....we don't want people who 'do' love the game thrown out of the arena.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 16, 2016 19:07:24 GMT
I think a simple badge would be better With respect, what on earth is a badge going to achieve? The organisation won't notice it, people in the crowd won't notice it. If it is to signify you are a person that wants change then fair enough but why not do something more proactive? Make it a big badge then but anything proactive is fine so long as it doesn't alienate you from the rest of the people there
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Post by iginla on Nov 16, 2016 19:13:39 GMT
Why should we care if we alienate other fans ? Best way to get Panthers to take notice is hit them in the pocket,so if fans get naffed off with disruption they may not go for a few games. Moran and Black won't like crowds dropping.
Bingo.....sound good to me !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 19:33:09 GMT
Why should we care if we alienate other fans ? Best way to get Panthers to take notice is hit them in the pocket,so if fans get naffed off with disruption they may not go for a few games. Moran and Black won't like crowds dropping. Bingo.....sound good to me ! This is your problem Iginla, you're so focussed in what you want that you don't stop to think about others. If you're trying to get other fans to support your cause and effect change then alienating them is not the way to go about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 19:55:39 GMT
How about we kidnap Chinese Paws & issue some 'game improving' demands.....
1. No more that fifty three line changes per period. Dan Green can count, he can put that clipboard to use. 2. Corey studies a players injury record before he signs him/her. Twice. 3. We carry a spare import, always. Even if they've never skated before we put them on the roster. Call this the 'Igininla Register'. 4. Responsibility of writing the website reports/features is given to someone over the age of five. 5. Hot Chocolate is actually hot chocolate and not the current concoction of the devil it manifests as today. 6. Brad Moran moves his top lip.
Failure to reach at least two of these demands after let's say a fortnight will result in Paws being returned to the World Famous Motorpoint Arena in small pieces....
Sorted.
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Post by iginla on Nov 16, 2016 20:08:38 GMT
Why should we care if we alienate other fans ? Best way to get Panthers to take notice is hit them in the pocket,so if fans get naffed off with disruption they may not go for a few games. Moran and Black won't like crowds dropping. Bingo.....sound good to me ! This is your problem Iginla, you're so focussed in what you want that you don't stop to think about others. If you're trying to get other fans to support your cause and effect change then alienating them is not the way to go about it. Hey Jonno,i'm not the only one who wants change,all I want is to see Moran/Corey gone. How we get that is anybody's guess,but faffing around with badges and scarves is in my opinion not going to achieve that. As far as I can see,we should just get some chants going,stop buying merchandise,50/50 and shirt tickets,boycott the challenge cup quarter final and advertise what we are doing and why we are doing it on social media at every opportunity. I don't want to throw anything or spoil anybody's evening,but you know as well as I do,the only language Panthers understand is ££s.
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 16, 2016 20:24:32 GMT
How about we kidnap Chinese Paws & issue some 'game improving' demands..... 1. No more that fifty three line changes per period. Dan Green can count, he can put that clipboard to use. 2. Corey studies a players injury record before he signs him/her. Twice. 3. We carry a spare import, always. Even if they've never skated before we put them on the roster. Call this the 'Igininla Register'. 4. Responsibility of writing the website reports/features is given to someone over the age of five. 5. Hot Chocolate is actually hot chocolate and not the current concoction of the devil it manifests as today. 6. Brad Moran moves his top lip. Failure to reach at least two of these demands after let's say a fortnight will result in Paws being returned to the World Famous Motorpoint Arena in small pieces.... Sorted. If Chinese Paws relates to the giant bear then I have a real problem with this. You are suggesting giving it back if demands are met. Never mind Corey & Gary. I was thinking of a protest purely aimed at getting the bear out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 21:12:32 GMT
This is your problem Iginla, you're so focussed in what you want that you don't stop to think about others. If you're trying to get other fans to support your cause and effect change then alienating them is not the way to go about it. Hey Jonno,i'm not the only one who wants change,all I want is to see Moran/Corey gone. How we get that is anybody's guess,but faffing around with badges and scarves is in my opinion not going to achieve that. As far as I can see,we should just get some chants going,stop buying merchandise,50/50 and shirt tickets,boycott the challenge cup quarter final and advertise what we are doing and why we are doing it on social media at every opportunity. I don't want to throw anything or spoil anybody's evening,but you know as well as I do,the only language Panthers understand is ££s. What's all this nicey nicey approach to protesting..we're a sports team . Protesting is supposed to be ugly. Hit them hard make their lives difficult and force the idiots out !!
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 16, 2016 21:40:46 GMT
Hey Jonno,i'm not the only one who wants change,all I want is to see Moran/Corey gone. How we get that is anybody's guess,but faffing around with badges and scarves is in my opinion not going to achieve that. As far as I can see,we should just get some chants going,stop buying merchandise,50/50 and shirt tickets,boycott the challenge cup quarter final and advertise what we are doing and why we are doing it on social media at every opportunity. I don't want to throw anything or spoil anybody's evening,but you know as well as I do,the only language Panthers understand is ££s. What's all this nicey nicey approach to protesting..we're a sports team . Protesting is supposed to be ugly. Hit them hard make their lives difficult and force the idiots out !! You seem to be full of big words on this thread Pidge. What action have YOU taken and what have YOU organised?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 21:47:13 GMT
What's all this nicey nicey approach to protesting..we're a sports team . Protesting is supposed to be ugly. Hit them hard make their lives difficult and force the idiots out !! You seem to be full of big words on this thread Pidge. What action have YOU taken and what have YOU organised? There you are again.. singling people out. You'll never learn.
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Post by wgray on Nov 16, 2016 22:13:44 GMT
GM the Trump of the EIHL! I think that's a bit harsh on Trump!
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 16, 2016 22:19:34 GMT
You seem to be full of big words on this thread Pidge. What action have YOU taken and what have YOU organised? There you are again.. singling people out. You'll never learn. There you go again avoiding the question....
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Post by hallsy666 on Nov 16, 2016 23:20:11 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Nov 16, 2016 23:44:21 GMT
What's all this nicey nicey approach to protesting..we're a sports team . Protesting is supposed to be ugly. Hit them hard make their lives difficult and force the idiots out !! Pidge Guevara. You should wear a beret when you're chucking those tennis balls. Hasta la victoria siempre!
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