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Post by PantherB on Mar 6, 2016 21:17:01 GMT
As many of you may have heard/seen, earlier this week, Corey was saying that if he doesn't win a trophy (CC Specifically) then it's likely the final nail in the coffin for his future with Panthers. Considering the result and re-capture of the Challenge Cup in a game vastly dominated by Panthers, after the game in an interview with Owen Bradley, Corey was very quiet about how he saw his future with the club, when asked about re-signing guys like Mosey he said 'that's a job for the next coach, or me to sort out'.. How do people feel about him and his future with the club? Should he stay?, Should he go?, Or should we see how the rest of the season and post season plays out?
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Post by kezypanther on Mar 6, 2016 21:25:26 GMT
I think people are looking in to what he said to much.
He doesn't know if he will be coach next season that's why he said what he did. Which was being honest and actually correct.
IMO we have just won a cup and still in the race for the title, granted it'll be tough but we can still do it. Gonna be hard to get rid of a coach like Neilson, love him or hate him.
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Post by Daddio on Mar 6, 2016 21:29:57 GMT
I just can't get the negative feelings people have towards Corey. Who are we going to get better? H ow many trophies does he have to win to prove himself?? Hope he's back with mosey, cam and Miika following closely
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Post by kezypanther on Mar 6, 2016 21:40:25 GMT
A few things that are interesting regarding Nielson.
CN's sixth challenge cup. Never lost a final
Neilson has won nine of ten CC and playoff finals.
Plus 9 cup final wins in a row
The only disappointing part about Neilson is our league challenges. When it comes to cups Nielson is pretty damn good. Just need up our game in the league.
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Post by PantherB on Mar 6, 2016 21:43:52 GMT
Personally, i'd lve to keep him for the forseable future. Bought us nothing but sucsess, he's still young for a coach and can only gain knowledge and experience. He's done wonders in developing British players, and he's a very well respected coach by opposing players and staff.
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Post by blackpanther2011 on Mar 6, 2016 21:45:44 GMT
In my eyes, from seeing him as first a player and then develop into a winning coach. I believe we should lay off Corey and give him some space. He is our best coach in Panthers History. He has done pretty much everything and has the CV to boot. We have won yet another Challenge Cup and still mathematically in with the chance of the league and the Play-offs is a lottery which any of the 8 teams could win it.
I know Corey has been sketchy with some of the things he has done and I for one criticized with things like changing up settled lines, not getting key players back from seasons before but that's the role of a coaches job.
Only time will tell if he stays then fair enough BUT the question is, Is there a Coach out there to replace him?
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Post by Yotes on Mar 6, 2016 22:21:31 GMT
The only disappointing part about Neilson is our league challenges And this is the answer to Daddio's question. When we all cough up however many hundred quid in April for next year, we're paying for those 26 games that make up our half of an Elite League season, not the CC or the POs. It seems incredibly po faced to say that when he's just won another cup, but there you go. He could, of course, add another league title this term. I think he probably will. I also think he'll be back whatever happens from here. As for who else, well there's a cast of thousands for that one. Maybe within the tiny pool that is UK hockey it's hard to see someone, and maybe having GM doing the search means that's an issue, but to just assume the next guy would be worse seems a bit silly. Ellis was our best coach in the modern era, Neilson is better. There's no reason the next bloke won't be better still. It's the best time, ever, to be head coach of the Panthers. Neilson may of course decide to further his career elsewhere. I think he missed the boat with the Grand Slam year personally. |
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Post by nate24 on Mar 6, 2016 22:46:07 GMT
He is stale. He is a good coach but needs to take that step forward and go up a level.
He's done all he can here which is why he is struggling now.
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Post by dill1015 on Mar 6, 2016 22:58:15 GMT
It would be a shame to see Corey go. Hes been a great servant to the club and rightly has his number in the raffters imo.
His cup record is beyond great. If you offered fans from any team the number of throphies we've had over the next 10 years they'd tear your arm off.
The only sticky point is league runs. Bar that one magic year we havn't really pushed the way we should (this season is till a tbc). And ultimatley the league is what really counts in this country.
All things end, one day Corey wont be here. The main thing for me is that we dont go back to square one. I dont want a rookie coach who has to learn all the lessons Corey did. However whatever we do next season get it sorted early! Dont let players slip away again.
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Post by iginla on Mar 6, 2016 23:28:38 GMT
I took Corey's comment tonight as a bit of a dig at what happened last off season,by that i mean leaving it late to re sign him so he could tie players up for this year.
A couple of days ago he alluded to that regarding losing Doucet.
Would i re sign him,even as one of his big critics yes I would if he can keep the majority of this team together,but he has to learn the lesson about settled lines and we have to go with five import D men.
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Post by dodyfan13 on Mar 6, 2016 23:29:01 GMT
We need a GM that knows the game. GM the GM is great at media relations but he's not a GM. Corey would be a good GM.. long and short of it we need a new coach
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Post by EMB on Mar 6, 2016 23:35:05 GMT
I just hope when Corey does go he leaves on his terms and not NB's . I think last year was a shock to him when they backtracked but if no one else applies for the job what are the club supposed to do. Coreys had offers from elsewhere last season and once the the youngest is out of school I can see him moving on to better things if not this season. The tinkered lines have annoyed me this year but I have an enormous amount of respect for Corey and what he has achieved for us all so it really wouldn't bother me if he stayed another season along with as many of this team as he can keep. It's about time the club pulled their fingers out and offered some contracts out.
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Post by nate24 on Mar 7, 2016 0:05:52 GMT
We need a GM that knows the game. GM the GM is great at media relations but he's not a GM. Corey would be a good GM.. long and short of it we need a new coach If by great you mean over bearing, rude, arrogant and out of touch control freak then yeah, he's fantastic. |
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Post by dodyfan13 on Mar 7, 2016 2:21:05 GMT
We need a GM that knows the game. GM the GM is great at media relations but he's not a GM. Corey would be a good GM.. long and short of it we need a new coach If by great you mean over bearing, rude, arrogant and out of touch control freak then yeah, he's fantastic. Maybe i was a little OTT there sorry. I don't like the guy. I would be happy if he wasn't at the club at all.. Root Cause and he's it |
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Post by Mark Mac on Mar 7, 2016 6:21:25 GMT
We need a GM that knows the game. GM the GM is great at media relations but he's not a GM. Corey would be a good GM.. long and short of it we need a new coach If by great you mean over bearing, rude, arrogant and out of touch control freak then yeah, he's fantastic. Surely that is perfect when dealing with the media. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 7, 2016 7:56:50 GMT
If by great you mean over bearing, rude, arrogant and out of touch control freak then yeah, he's fantastic. Surely that is perfect when dealing with the media. If it was 1982 he would be perfect. In 2016 he is out of date and about as cheesy as it's possible to get. If you think that the Panthers are good with the media you really need to look around a few of the other teams in the league. The Panthers are miles behind and so long as they run the office like the Kremlin we will be left miles behind for a long time yet. |
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Post by PantherB on Mar 7, 2016 11:55:48 GMT
Jamie Black was very complimentry of Neilson and his sucess with Panthers after last night, saying that out of the 10 Finals we've been in under Corey, we've won 9. hopefully he can persaude his father to bring him back!
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Post by nate24 on Mar 7, 2016 11:58:29 GMT
Jamie Black was very complimentry of Neilson and his sucess with Panthers after last night, saying that out of the 10 Finals we've been in under Corey, we've won 9. hopefully he can persaude his father to bring him back! That guy is s tool. He's only interested in whichever of his teams are winning. Millionaire glory hunter who appears to know little about the game. |
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 7, 2016 12:42:46 GMT
Quite simple. As it stands now. The CC win changes nothing. It's a nice thing to win and an achievement to do it so frequently.
Corey has proved he can win trophies. As much as I didn't think he needed to do it. Thommo was correct yesterday pre game with his little dig at Corey being a cup specialist.
Win the Playoffs too then I can see justification for him Coming back.
Win the league and nobody can argue him coming back.
My biggest frustration lies in the fact that if hed have allowed he lines to build chemistry throughout the whole season we wouldn't be chasing the pack, we'd be ahead of it. Recent performances including the Belfast farce pretty much prove the consistant line critism was justified. We started to see settled line and our form has picked up signifficantly. The only real blip being the Belfast game. Guess what. It went wrong when we lost Myers and all 4 lines changed.
He won the league before. He has the capacity to do it again. Stick with settled lines and don't over complicate things and he can win lots more for us over coming years.
Lets see how the next few weeks go.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 7, 2016 17:57:40 GMT
I have felt since September that this could be the best squad we have ever had and I think that it's pretty close to that right now. We tend to clutch defeat quite often this season and personally for me the period of constant changing of lines and lack of balance that the squad has had has been a huge shame. Starting the season Brit heavy and not a full quota of imports was madness and pretty much killed us by Christmas. Who's idea/fault that was has some questions to ask themselves as we could have won the league a few weeks ago.
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Post by Mark Mac on Mar 7, 2016 20:07:54 GMT
Surely that is perfect when dealing with the media. If it was 1982 he would be perfect. In 2016 he is out of date and about as cheesy as it's possible to get. If you think that the Panthers are good with the media you really need to look around a few of the other teams in the league. The Panthers are miles behind and so long as they run the office like the Kremlin we will be left miles behind for a long time yet. To be honest it was more a criticism of how poor media in general is. This season the Panthers have been miles better than previously, although it all seems to be this Eddy chap. I've been following the Panthers since 2006. Nothing seems to have changed until this season. It'll take more than 1 season for GM to change, but it seems to be steps in the right direction. |
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Post by EMB on Mar 7, 2016 20:27:53 GMT
Jamie Black was very complimentry of Neilson and his sucess with Panthers after last night, saying that out of the 10 Finals we've been in under Corey, we've won 9. hopefully he can persaude his father to bring him back! Must be the other Black son then that can't stand Corey. One of them was very vocal just before Rick arrived about how bad Corey was and he hoped his dad wouldn't be renewing his contract. The very same then went to Belfast and was on all the photos holding the league cup. |
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Post by team on Mar 17, 2016 20:13:17 GMT
So watching how all the other clubs are anouncing returning players, where do we stand?
We've ALL seen and agree that 90% of the core imports are worthy of a return.
We also know that Corey is responsible for those same players this season.
Do you feel that "if" Corey is not re-signed, the likes of Mosey (who he took unseen) and others through his networking would return???
Hockey is a sport of relationships and loyalty when good,character players are involved. And this team has it's share of them.
Thought's please...
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Post by dp on Mar 17, 2016 20:54:06 GMT
From the games I've seen, which admittedly isn't many this season, I'm not sure I agree with the "keep them all" arguments - regardless of who's coach.
I get the impression Bohmbach and Schultz think they're too good for this league and just haven't got the points you need from top forwards at a top club, Lawrence is too hot and cold, Wiikman is too risky given the constant injuries, McMillan too slow and doesn't get enough points, even for a grinder.
Janssen, Mosey, Kolnik I'd definitely keep, the others can probably be at least equalled.
And if a player will only sign if Corey's coach, then I'd question whether they're the right fit for the club anyway.
We're going to finish mid table. Sweeping changes are needed.
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Post by Pies on Mar 17, 2016 21:03:22 GMT
From the games I've seen, which admittedly isn't many this season, I'm not sure I agree with the "keep them all" arguments - regardless of who's coach. I get the impression Bohmbach and Schultz think they're too good for this league and just haven't got the points you need from top forwards at a top club, Lawrence is too hot and cold, Wiikman is too risky given the constant injuries, McMillan too slow and doesn't get enough points, even for a grinder. Janssen, Mosey, Kolnik I'd definitely keep, the others can probably be at least equalled. And if a player will only sign if Corey's coach, then I'd question whether they're the right fit for the club anyway. We're going to finish mid table. Sweeping changes are needed. I think the criticism of Macmillan is harsh. He's one of the first is sign back. |
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