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Post by dill1015 on Mar 21, 2016 15:22:42 GMT
The only problem I have with an existing player as coach either just coach or player/coach is you get years of on job training/learning just as we got under CN.. years where obvious mistakes are made and remade... Do we really want to go through that all again..i for one don't.. Exactly. I dont want a rookie coach spending 2 or 3 seasons ironing out the the basic errors.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 15:30:46 GMT
Comical Corey.... very apt. Well certainly only a clown could try something "new" in the last game of the season......then after two periods think it worked well when we were 4-1 down. Jesus,we may as well give up now ! I think the pair of us need to be careful what we wish for, Iggy. We've complained about the 'cushion shuffling' lines for some while & now we seem to have only one set line returning. Having our cake & eating it perhaps...?! That said, if Corey & debatably Strach cannot motivate was seems a very talented bunch of players then their time is definitely up.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 21, 2016 15:32:14 GMT
Exactly. I dont want a rookie coach spending 2 or 3 seasons ironing out the the basic errors. Doesn't always follow though does it, Ben Simon for example (1 go, 1 title). Not saying Moran would do that, but it wouldn't be unheard of.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 21, 2016 15:37:39 GMT
And everybody said give us plan B you get plan B and your still not satisfied, lol This weekend Plan B should have been Plan A but when it was put into place it was a period too late.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 21, 2016 15:38:59 GMT
Exactly. I dont want a rookie coach spending 2 or 3 seasons ironing out the the basic errors. Doesn't always follow though does it, Ben Simon for example (1 go, 1 title). Not saying Moran would do that, but it wouldn't be unheard of. Ben Simon knew the game and was a "players coach" which always gets the best from any team (barring the Capitals)
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 21, 2016 15:40:06 GMT
I'll put it up here to be shot down in the future but I think that Moran would made a very good coach.
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Post by Stargazer on Mar 21, 2016 16:00:48 GMT
The only problem I have with an existing player as coach either just coach or player/coach is you get years of on job training/learning just as we got under CN.. years where obvious mistakes are made and remade... Do we really want to go through that all again..i for one don't.. No we don't Tex but we shouldn't tar every rookie coach with the 'Corey Nielson brush'. One of the main reasons 90% of us fans want a change is because he still behaves like a rookie coach after multiple seasons at the helm. As you put it, obvious mistakes are made and then remade and remade again. It scares the life out of me when comments like "I like to tinker, its what I do" are made and observed 3/4 through a season. Recruit, motivate and coach well and you shouldn't need to 'tinker' Corey! I'm not saying Moran should be coach, but he definitely should not be overlooked...
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Post by jd on Mar 21, 2016 16:32:31 GMT
I'll put it up here to be shot down in the future but I think that Moran would made a very good coach. Out of interest, why do you think that? Not having a go, just curious.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 21, 2016 16:57:51 GMT
I'll put it up here to be shot down in the future but I think that Moran would made a very good coach. Out of interest, why do you think that? Not having a go, just curious. Played at a high level, he understands the game, very calm and he just gets on with it.
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 21, 2016 17:22:11 GMT
Well certainly only a clown could try something "new" in the last game of the season......then after two periods think it worked well when we were 4-1 down. Jesus,we may as well give up now ! I think the pair of us need to be careful what we wish for, Iggy. We've complained about the 'cushion shuffling' lines for some while & now we seem to have only one set line returning. Having our cake & eating it perhaps...?! That said, if Corey & debatably Strach cannot motivate was seems a very talented bunch of players then their time is definitely up. Being on the 'Cushion Shuffling' band wagon for some considerable time I think it's more a case of Corey making a rod for his own back. Nobody, not 1 person has ever had an issue with the fact that coaches change lines occasionally, from game to game or within game to try and get things working. Before the last few seasons any discussions fans have around lines are around which changes they'd make to lines to get more production. Pick & Mix lines has meant we havn't had 'lines' to discuss and tinker with. By shuffling all season then settling down with 10 games to go leaves very little time to tweak. Every coach tweeks to find the correct combinations and that is what should have been happening the last 5 games or so. We simply have 2 lines currently and it isn't good enough. Because he used his pick & mix system for so long hes left himself stuck now. I must admit I have avoided discussing it though because of the perception people may have of me wanting lines to change now. I know it's correct though. As do you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 17:46:28 GMT
Good post Bagheera, just wondering if our view smacks of double standards that's all.
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 21, 2016 17:55:01 GMT
Good post Bagheera, just wondering if our view smacks of double standards that's all. Neh, Just an odd coach and fans knowing what should happen.
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Post by Dan on Mar 22, 2016 7:50:44 GMT
Jamie Black was very complimentry of Neilson and his sucess with Panthers after last night, saying that out of the 10 Finals we've been in under Corey, we've won 9. hopefully he can persaude his father to bring him back! That guy is s tool. He's only interested in whichever of his teams are winning. Millionaire glory hunter who appears to know little about the game. We need a GM that knows the game. GM the GM is great at media relations but he's not a GM. Corey would be a good GM.. long and short of it we need a new coach If by great you mean over bearing, rude, arrogant and out of touch control freak then yeah, he's fantastic. I'm sure they both speak very highly of you too. For me, I'd like to see a new coach. He had three excellent years, nobody can take that from him but since that point we've had three quite terrible ones and the league performances (the thing that matters) is getting worse. He's been here for five or six years and has one league title. Over our history that's good, but given our current resources it's disappointing. I think he's gone whether we want him to or not though in all honesty. Possibly Moran too if what I'm hearing is true.
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Post by Stargazer on Mar 22, 2016 8:11:40 GMT
That guy is s tool. He's only interested in whichever of his teams are winning. Millionaire glory hunter who appears to know little about the game. If by great you mean over bearing, rude, arrogant and out of touch control freak then yeah, he's fantastic. I'm sure they both speak very highly of you too. For me, I'd like to see a new coach. He had three excellent years, nobody can take that from him but since that point we've had three quite terrible ones and the league performances (the thing that matters) is getting worse. He's been here for five or six years and has one league title. Over our history that's good, but given our current resources it's disappointing. I think he's gone whether we want him to or not though in all honesty. Possibly Moran too if what I'm hearing is true. Don't tease us Dan!
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Post by nate24 on Mar 22, 2016 8:37:39 GMT
That guy is s tool. He's only interested in whichever of his teams are winning. Millionaire glory hunter who appears to know little about the game. If by great you mean over bearing, rude, arrogant and out of touch control freak then yeah, he's fantastic. I'm sure they both speak very highly of you too. For me, I'd like to see a new coach. He had three excellent years, nobody can take that from him but since that point we've had three quite terrible ones and the league performances (the thing that matters) is getting worse. He's been here for five or six years and has one league title. Over our history that's good, but given our current resources it's disappointing. I think he's gone whether we want him to or not though in all honesty. Possibly Moran too if what I'm hearing is true. I don't care what they think of me just as they don't care what they think of me. They need to get a grip.
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Post by Dan on Mar 22, 2016 9:10:06 GMT
I'm sure they both speak very highly of you too. For me, I'd like to see a new coach. He had three excellent years, nobody can take that from him but since that point we've had three quite terrible ones and the league performances (the thing that matters) is getting worse. He's been here for five or six years and has one league title. Over our history that's good, but given our current resources it's disappointing. I think he's gone whether we want him to or not though in all honesty. Possibly Moran too if what I'm hearing is true. I don't care what they think of me just as they don't care what they think of me. They need to get a grip. I'm sure you can see the irony of insinuating someone else is rude in the same posts where you call people over bearing, arrogant, out of touch, control freaks and tools....?
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Post by nate24 on Mar 22, 2016 12:07:14 GMT
I don't care what they think of me just as they don't care what they think of me. They need to get a grip. I'm sure you can see the irony of insinuating someone else is rude in the same posts where you call people over bearing, arrogant, out of touch, control freaks and tools....? Not really, I have no power or influence. I am stating an opinion based on experiences of said people. I have met Gary several times in a variety of situations and this is how he came across. I will admit my comments on Black mainly relate to tweets so maybe I was harsh but they do only appear to back which ever team is winning. Like many Panthers fans I am beyond frustration and the club needs big changes to become the franchise it pretends to be. I have been around since 2004 and bar the odd peak such as 2013 the club has been weighted down with mediocrity. If we have the money people claim to have and we are as stable as the club boasts it is then mediocre is simply not acceptable. I have sent thousands of pounds the clubs way via tickets, merchandise and game worn shirts in an attempt to connect and really feed the passions I have....no, had for the club. I really loved it. It was the light at the end of the tunnel during tough times and the one major distraction from all that goes on in life and that was amazing. As time ticks on I have seen the disdain us fans are treated with by GM and then the mediocrity of the on ice product and I have truly had enough. By and large I am a very positive person. Meet me in real life and you will see that my attitude on here is not reflected by the real me in the majority of my life. I just can't happy clap any more when all it breeds is complacency from the club. As stated before I am taking more of an interest in the EPL and other hockey as at the minute as the Nottingham product is weak aimed at casual fans who have very little interest beyond attending on game nights. I have sat near season ticket holders who openly had no idea where we are in the league, what trophies are available and any insight to the bigger picture. That is fine, it is up to them but they are the main type of fanbase the club appears to cater to the most. So all this begs the question 'why do I bother?'. The answer is because deep down I want us to really do well and return to winning ways, I have so many fond memories I am fighting for them not to be tarnished but I have to say my patience is just about exhausted. I look at other clubs and envy their passion and forward thinking mentalities. Sheffield and Cardiff in particular have really shone. That said I feel the issues may be even bigger than just the Panthers. We are seeing more and more information from quality sources citing issues with the EIHL and the egos within. Maybe British Ice Hockey in the main stream is just not meant to be? TLDR: My club is mediocre, the management don't care and what it boils down to is the majority of management, coaches and players will never care as much about a club as the fans. Only the fans are there out of love, the rest are there for a business or career.
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Post by Dan on Mar 22, 2016 12:41:30 GMT
That's pretty much the case everywhere though, you don't get many Chris Cohen's about.
In my experience I've found Black to be entirely pleasant. He's spreading his money a little thinner these days but would you rather Panthers dominate a much weaker and less stable league or for Panthers to be on a strong pedestal in a stronger league? I think i'd go for the latter, we should still win the league more than we don't.
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Post by fishman on Mar 22, 2016 13:17:49 GMT
What player have said they don't care or for that matter the management that doesn't care if panthers win or lose, this is the same management that Panthers had when they won the treble in 2012/13, all panthers fans, players, coaches and management would like this club to be successful.just look at the likes of Manchester united, Liverpool and Chelsea they have ups and downs same as the Panther's, this is sport and no club no matter what sport can be top dog year in year out.
And Panther's do have a trophy in the cabinet and still in the playoffs, and I do think changes are coming next season but in what form it will take I'm not sure.
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Post by iginla on Mar 22, 2016 13:34:57 GMT
That's an excellent post Nate and sums it up for me.
Some people are blinded by challenge cups and play off titles where Neilson is concerned. He has been in charge for many years now,but what they need to realise,is that most of those cups were won in the two or three years when Sheffield,Cardiff and Coventry where having big problems and the only real threat came from Belfast. Now those teams are back in the big time the last couple of years,what have we won.....not a lot !
The most damning stat for Panthers is the lack of league title challenges,in 15 years at the NIC,we have challenged for the league only twice. For the biggest club in the land,that is an appalling record !
I'm jealous of some other clubs....right now,i wish i was a Devils fan and that's hard to say after many years as a Panther !!
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Post by fishman on Mar 22, 2016 13:40:31 GMT
Well Iginla lets put you on the transfer list see if we get any offers. lol
"Hockey fan looking for new club to support" can be critical of staff and players but my loyalty is unwavering, most of the time or should that be some of the time.
Bon voyage Iginla, don't forget to write
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Post by dill1015 on Mar 22, 2016 14:55:31 GMT
What player have said they don't care or for that matter the management that doesn't care if panthers win or lose, this is the same management that Panthers had when they won the treble in 2012/13, all panthers fans, players, coaches and management would like this club to be successful.just look at the likes of Manchester united, Liverpool and Chelsea they have ups and downs same as the Panther's, this is sport and no club no matter what sport can be top dog year in year out. And Panther's do have a trophy in the cabinet and still in the playoffs, and I do think changes are coming next season but in what form it will take I'm not sure. Yes all clubs have ups and downs, but ive been though dog days with Panthers where they werent expected to win. This club should be riding the crest of the wave atm and making hay while the sun shines. Because these good years of strong crowds and intrestest compared toour rivals wont last. Nothing ever lasts forever. We should be winning leagues while we can.
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Post by nate24 on Apr 3, 2016 19:50:20 GMT
Maybe, probably but I still think his time is over. Leave on a high.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Apr 3, 2016 20:38:58 GMT
Think he may stay, but looked a little reserved after the game even though he did get a bucket of water over him, did not look in a celebratory mood - would not be unhappy to see him again and think he may have another year (or go to Breahead), and after that I think he will take over the new London team
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