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Post by Yotes on Mar 19, 2016 22:34:00 GMT
Fifth is simply not good enough for a club of our size. Moran and Neilson out.
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Post by spik on Mar 19, 2016 22:43:56 GMT
Fifth is simply not good enough for a club of our size. Moran and Neilson out. Said virtually the same on 'fixtures thread'....sorry but I feel I should wear a black arm band and it wasn't us trying to win the damn league.
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 19, 2016 22:58:07 GMT
You know I'm not sure 5th place is as much of an issue as it seams. Don't get me wrong i'm not pleased but there are a few things in mitigation. The reality is Braehead always have an advantage in finishing above us. Then there is also the fact that the league is the most competitve it has ever been with no stand out team. If we had a serious run at the title but came second to Clan, Sheffield, Cardiff or Belfast nobody would complain too much. The fact is all those teams & us were of a similar level and thus 5th behind them isn't that bad.
However there is a big issue with finishing 5th. Firstly if the club invested properly we could and should have wiped the floor with everybody. And secondly a coach who got the basics right would have taken this talented group a lot further.
It's not neccerserally the 5th place but more the mannor in which it has happened. Out of the title realistically some time ago and likely to be 10ish points off the league champions.
Poor show.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 19, 2016 23:09:15 GMT
League 5th Conference 4th (with less than 0.50 hockey). That is very very poor......Neilson has to go now im afraid ! Just goes to show Mr Blacks ambition as far as the Panthers are concerned. Conference 4th, League 5th = risible even if we did win the Mickey Mouse cup.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 20, 2016 8:25:44 GMT
It's not neccerserally the 5th place but more the mannor in which it has happened. Out of the title realistically some time ago and likely to be 10ish points off the league champions. You're right Bag, it's being 5th behind: - A Steelers team with Pinc in goal that we've beaten 8-0 once this season. - A Cardiff team that has collapsed and we've been able to beat at various times this season. - A Braehead team that, like Cardiff, collapsed and who we beat with fairly reliable regularity. - An average Belfast side with a rookie coach. Somehow we manage to take our huge roster, full of expensive players (putting aside failing to replace individuals when injured), post fewer points than we managed last year and finish beneath that little lot. It's a close league, but isn't that more to do with there not being a clearly dominant team in it? Put, say, Adey's Belfast in and they've probably had this sewn up for a month.
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Post by PantherG on Mar 20, 2016 10:27:39 GMT
Our record against the top clubs is unacceptable. In the league we only beat Sheffield 3 times and only twice at home. We split our series with Coventry 5-5, think we only beat Cardiff 3 out of eight times in the league and beat Belfast 4 times out of 8 if memory serves me right but got absolutely battered in our last two matches.
The issues I see is that for some reason the club does not have the stamina or right mental attitude to sustain a league campaign. For all the stick we give Sheffield, they've handed the keys to Thompson and he runs that club from the bottom up. Maybe we need to instil a similar model where the coach has total control, without any outside interference. Neil and Gary need to sit back and trust then coach and then maybe we will see a difference.
Most certainly Corey's time is up. It might be a risk as we have done well in cup competitions, but the league is he big prize, something Sheffield will have won after tonight 9 out of 21 times. With our resources we should be up there, but they are well ahead and after this season I expect them to be much more dominant next season and build on this success. Unless wholesale changes are made we will see them dominate for the next few years, while he rest of us hope for a lucky bounce in the CC or PO.
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Post by wilx on Mar 20, 2016 20:55:34 GMT
Corey should have gone 2 years ago, useless coach with hardly a plan A let alone a plan B. About 6 weeks ago Steelers fans were calling for Thompsons head, but all credit to him , he changed something , communicated to his player DURING a game and Coached them through it. We need a new coach that can coach! We have had 2 coache who are clueless, surely with their combined pay we can get someone who has a Plan A , a Plan B and if all else fails , a plan C ( and these plans do not consist of just swapping line configs every shift. A Power play would also me nice, and players who can slap shot the puck instead of stopping it before shooting. Surely this is not too much to ask. As for Moran... surely he has to give up soon, he looks about 90?
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Post by iginla on Mar 20, 2016 21:07:56 GMT
Corey should have gone 2 years ago, useless coach with hardly a plan A let alone a plan B. About 6 weeks ago Steelers fans were calling for Thompsons head, but all credit to him , he changed something , communicated to his player DURING a game and Coached them through it. We need a new coach that can coach! We have had 2 coache who are clueless, surely with their combined pay we can get someone who has a Plan A , a Plan B and if all else fails , a plan C ( and these plans do not consist of just swapping line configs every shift. A Power play would also me nice, and players who can slap shot the puck instead of stopping it before qshooting. Surely this is not too much to ask. As for Moran... surely he has to give up soon, he looks about 90? We do indeed need a new coach Wilx. The problem is.....nobody wants the job,because word gets round that they have to work with Moran and for Black. Hard to believe they struggle to fill the Panthers coaching job,but they tried last year and nobody wanted it,so we ended up with bloody Neilson again !!
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Post by dp on Mar 20, 2016 21:31:38 GMT
GM isn't there to win games, he's there to run the club and make as much profit as possible.
So at the end of this season, he'll look back on it - Panthers average over 1,000 more fans than Sheffield. We spend roughly the same/less from not replacing injured players.
Who won the league? Oh who cares, look at the profit.
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Post by dill1015 on Mar 20, 2016 22:17:50 GMT
I was going to write this a couple of games ago but decided to wait till the end of the league just to see if my opinion had changed at all. It hasnt.
Im going to go and say it, i think last seasons team was better than this one. Not on paper clearly but as an actual team. Everyone complained last year about how toothless we were but we have very similar scoring this season. But last years team defended better. And they were right in it till it all came apart in feburary which is better than this team managed.
This year has been so disappointing, not beacause we didnt win, its no teams god given right to win. But because we have underachived so badly from my expectations. When this team was signed i thought that on paper it was comparable to the grandslam team. In reality its not even close.
A few players (forwards in particular), Lacho and Farmer have had poor seasons with not enough points. Moran has underwelhmed me, not as a player over all but as a first line centre he was billed as, just doesnt have that ability to cut a team open for me, which is what i want from that position. However im most disappointed with Bohmbach and Schultz. At the ages these guys are coming off the seasons they had in the ECHL these 2 should have ripped this league to bits easily over a ppg, but neither are. Schultz had a big spell out yes, and before that looked the player i hoped he would be. But he just hasnt regained anything close to that form. Bohmbach, you've got decent speed, a quick release, your strong, good reach and have great hands... so how the hell do you not have more points! Hes been pretty quite since new years. I feel that between those players we should easily have another 20 goals over the season.
However my main issue this year has been on the coaching front. I've been a fan of Corey, think hes got a lot of undeserved stick from our fans over the years but this year i cant really argue. This team has been mismanaged imo. Why have we been playing dump and chase hockey? Personally i dislike it on any team but i get why its done if you dont have the quality of player to compete with your rivals. But we do have quality, so why dont we use it and carry the puck it, ok our 4th line should probably dump and chase but our first 2 should be skating the puck in.
However my pet hate along with everyone else this season is the lack of lines... why? Why? WHY!? I would love someone from the club to just come out and explain it. And i will hold my hands up and a say that im an idiot and i dont know anything, but i seriously doubt thats possible. Having systems and stratagies is great and all but you need chemistry as well, where guys just know where thier lines mates are going to be and how they play. And this for me has been the single biggest reason we havnt won the league.
I can safely say ive lost the faith in Corey. Which i think will be a sad end for our most succesful coach, but something gotta give. I really dont want a rookie coach next season though.
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Post by texpef on Mar 20, 2016 23:24:12 GMT
think he needs a future elsewhere now...
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Post by josey on Mar 21, 2016 0:01:48 GMT
There is a guy not far away from us that would probably love to be back in hockey,won the playoffs and the league in 12 months why not give him the resources that Neilson has had and see what he can do,well we know what he can do,get Adams in
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Post by Ian on Mar 21, 2016 0:57:32 GMT
Grand Slam to fifth place in three years. Enough said.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 21, 2016 0:58:47 GMT
You can read about CN's coaching prowess - Coach relishing play-offs "with this squad" on the Panthers site... Staggering.
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Post by Ian on Mar 21, 2016 1:09:55 GMT
You can read about CN's coaching prowess - Coach relishing play-offs "with this squad" on the Panthers site... Staggering. Particularly enjoyed the bit about his new ideas working so well in the first 40 minutes of tonight's game - after which we were 4-1 down I believe. It really is beyond belief.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 21, 2016 2:06:14 GMT
You can read about CN's coaching prowess - Coach relishing play-offs "with this squad" on the Panthers site... Staggering. Particularly enjoyed the bit about his new ideas working so well in the first 40 minutes of tonight's game - after which we were 4-1 down I believe. It really is beyond belief. I wasn't convinced about playing Wiikman either. He is very weak on the near post and the 4th goal was a stinker.
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Post by wysiwyg17 on Mar 21, 2016 9:12:13 GMT
Particularly enjoyed the bit about his new ideas working so well in the first 40 minutes of tonight's game - after which we were 4-1 down I believe. It really is beyond belief. I wasn't convinced about playing Wiikman either. He is very weak on the near post and the 4th goal was a stinker. So glad someone else sees this, terrible near post and over left shoulder
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Post by jd on Mar 21, 2016 9:29:55 GMT
Winning the Challenge Cup amid a heavy run of games with a side that has played a "solid final weekend", a side that "doesn't take a night off" is something to be proud of, said the coach
That speaks volumes to me - never takes a night off? Serious?
Ive been a big Corey fan, hes been brilliant for us at times, but now he needs to move on. Yes we've won lots of trophies but the last 3 seasons have been a shambles
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Post by Yotes on Mar 21, 2016 9:33:33 GMT
He's gone a bit Comical Ali, spend too much time with Gary this must be what happens.
The never takes a night off bit was very odd, didn't he accuse some of them of doing just that after the Steelers game at the NIC the other day (or was that Rick)?
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Post by tim27 on Mar 21, 2016 10:30:41 GMT
I have never been a big fan of Nielson as a coach.
But the thing is you know what our management it like. They get rid of Corey and our new coach will be Rick Strachan! or even worse someone like Brad Moran.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 13:38:37 GMT
He's gone a bit Comical Ali, spend too much time with Gary this must be what happens. The never takes a night off bit was very odd, didn't he accuse some of them of doing just that after the Steelers game at the NIC the other day (or was that Rick)? Comical Corey.... very apt.
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Post by iginla on Mar 21, 2016 14:35:07 GMT
He's gone a bit Comical Ali, spend too much time with Gary this must be what happens. The never takes a night off bit was very odd, didn't he accuse some of them of doing just that after the Steelers game at the NIC the other day (or was that Rick)? Comical Corey.... very apt. Well certainly only a clown could try something "new" in the last game of the season......then after two periods think it worked well when we were 4-1 down. Jesus,we may as well give up now !
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Post by fishman on Mar 21, 2016 14:47:03 GMT
And everybody said give us plan B you get plan B and your still not satisfied, lol
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Post by PantherB on Mar 21, 2016 15:01:36 GMT
I have never been a big fan of Nielson as a coach. But the thing is you know what our management it like. They get rid of Corey and our new coach will be Rick Strachan! or even worse someone like Brad Moran. What'd make Brad Moran a bad coach? Everyone has to start somewhere, like Corey, could be player-coach, look at everything Corey has done for us. Moran is probably one of the smartest players we have and have had for a long time, has links in Europe, NHL, AHL and links in Canadian Juniors. He's very well respected too and although he's generally a very calm player he won't stand for nonsense and 9 times out of 10, will always talk to officials, whether he's on for a shift or not. He knows the game very well, i certainly wouldn't look past him for taking over the coaching role if Neilson goes.
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Post by texpef on Mar 21, 2016 15:14:25 GMT
The only problem I have with an existing player as coach either just coach or player/coach is you get years of on job training/learning just as we got under CN.. years where obvious mistakes are made and remade...
Do we really want to go through that all again..i for one don't..
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