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Post by heja on Nov 27, 2007 22:08:42 GMT
but save percentage is a good indicatio of the goalie
GAA is just an indication of the whole team
but the again stats don't always show the whole picture on a goalie
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Post by spik on Nov 27, 2007 22:50:13 GMT
Trevor Koenig COV 19 1131 546 34 93.8 Ryan MacDonald NEW 21 1274 745 59 92.1 Stevie Lyle BEL/BAS 17 1035 525 43 91.8 Jody Lehman SHE 21 1236 596 50 91.6 Phil Osaer CAR 24 1398 704 61 91.3 Scott Fankhouser MAN 20 1205 615 58 90.6 Ladislav Kudrna HULL 22 1272 774 73 90.6 Phillippe DeRouville BEL 11 660 320 33 89.7 Rastislav Rovnianek NOT 18 1085 472 51 89.2 JF Perras EDI 22 1320 686 84 87.8
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Post by panthers8768 on Nov 27, 2007 22:56:41 GMT
OK does not look that good does it
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Post by dionsdarling on Nov 27, 2007 23:46:16 GMT
Not spotted this on here, but apologies if someone has already said -
Askey played on the same team as Ryan Shmyr in 01-02 when they were both with Rochester. Jody Lehman and Adam Calder were also on that roster
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Post by Rob #12 on Nov 28, 2007 6:00:40 GMT
Wonder who was the starting nettie out of the two?
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Nov 28, 2007 6:45:07 GMT
Neither Mika Noronen played 45 games Askey 34 Jody played a period!
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Post by Rumpole on Nov 28, 2007 8:46:25 GMT
Trevor Koenig COV 19 1131 546 34 93.8 Ryan MacDonald NEW 21 1274 745 59 92.1 Stevie Lyle BEL/BAS 17 1035 525 43 91.8 Jody Lehman SHE 21 1236 596 50 91.6 Phil Osaer CAR 24 1398 704 61 91.3 Scott Fankhouser MAN 20 1205 615 58 90.6 Ladislav Kudrna HULL 22 1272 774 73 90.6 Phillippe DeRouville BEL 11 660 320 33 89.7 Rastislav Rovnianek NOT 18 1085 472 51 89.2 JF Perras EDI 22 1320 686 84 87.8 This shows why Ellis is right to bring a new nettie in. Coventry's defence is, imho, weak, but they can rely on Koenig to get them out of the smelly stuff. On a purely statistical basis, if Koenig had a save % of 89.2, Cov would have shipped 59 goals, a staggering 73% increase on the 34 they have conceded. If Rasto had Koenig's save %, Panthers would have conceded 30 goals, a reduction of 42% on the 51 they have shipped.
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Post by mattscold on Nov 28, 2007 8:56:34 GMT
In terms of Rasto in all honesty after Evan Lindsay he was always going to look better! And i think that clouded a lot of peoples views of him. [glow=red,2,300]This year i have seen him a few times and he looked poor each time[/glow], in the sheffield game on sky each goal sheffield scored was up high and was made extremely easy for them (especially taits breakaway) and then at hull he messed up again. I dont think he had it in him to be a league winning goalie. And i think its extremely hard for players to come to this country and get this league winning mentality which is why teams who keep more players usually do better! They know how important it is. Goalie stats are usually a terrible way to judge them there are so many variables to draw from. I think everyone should just wait and see how he does. What about when hu shut you out at the tent?
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Post by gazzathedevil on Nov 28, 2007 11:07:47 GMT
In terms of Rasto in all honesty after Evan Lindsay he was always going to look better! And i think that clouded a lot of peoples views of him. [glow=red,2,300]This year i have seen him a few times and he looked poor each time[/glow], in the sheffield game on sky each goal sheffield scored was up high and was made extremely easy for them (especially taits breakaway) and then at hull he messed up again. I dont think he had it in him to be a league winning goalie. And i think its extremely hard for players to come to this country and get this league winning mentality which is why teams who keep more players usually do better! They know how important it is. Goalie stats are usually a terrible way to judge them there are so many variables to draw from. I think everyone should just wait and see how he does. What about when hu shut you out at the tent? He looked poor! But we were a lot poorer and it was during our run of five straight losses. But if one game out of all those i mentioned is what you can come back with then its probably right that he is on a plane home this morning
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 28, 2007 11:31:19 GMT
But if one game out of all those i mentioned is what you can come back with then its probably right that he is on a plane home this morning Gazza... sorry to rock your world-view, but we have played games against teams other than the Cardiff Devils... and Rasto has had two other shut-outs this season, including that CC home win against Coventry where (unless you listen to the Blaze fans) he played an absolute blinder.
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Post by gazzathedevil on Nov 28, 2007 11:52:27 GMT
But if one game out of all those i mentioned is what you can come back with then its probably right that he is on a plane home this morning Gazza... sorry to rock your world-view, but we have played games against teams other than the Cardiff Devils... and Rasto has had two other shut-outs this season, including that CC home win against Coventry where (unless you listen to the Blaze fans) he played an absolute blinder. He probably did Shaggy, its not like he's a reccy goalie or anything and i dare say no disrespect to them that if a team with a lower budget were to sign him then he would probably be a good signing. But for a team with an aspiration of honours i really dont think he is good enough andi feel i have produced enough evidence to show this.
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Post by heja on Nov 28, 2007 12:22:55 GMT
But if one game out of all those i mentioned is what you can come back with then its probably right that he is on a plane home this morning Gazza... sorry to rock your world-view, but we have played games against teams other than the Cardiff Devils... and Rasto has had two other shut-outs this season, including that CC home win against Coventry where (unless you listen to the Blaze fans) he played an absolute blinder. yeah but that is the only game this season where i have had confidence in him imo if you swapped keepers last friday against newcastle we would of conceeded two goals maximum and we would of scored a hell of alot more
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Post by heja on Nov 28, 2007 12:23:39 GMT
Neither Mika Noronen played 45 games Askey 34 Jody played a period! so pretty much shared the netminder duties and we all know noronen aint a bad netty
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Post by Number 9.1 on Nov 28, 2007 14:41:25 GMT
I saw this one coming, even to the point of identifying the guy who was coming in as a replacement as soon as he was ditched by his previous club (whether that was a fluke or just dead obvious on account of our lazy approach to player recruitment is for others to decide); and whether it turns out to be a good move or a bad move, I'm of the opinion that it's an unnecessary move.
Like many others I've been through this before but our problems this season have nothing to do with netminding and everything to do with defence. I'm in no way sentimental about Rasto - despite our obvious debt to him - but the way I see it, Ellis has created a situation for RR which made the player look bad by failing to deal with a shocking defence (it could be argued that the way he used Drouin produced a similar result but that's all done now ... well ... half-done). With a well-balanced, well-drilled D in front of him, Rovnianek is a more than capable EIHL netminder and cutting him is, for me, a mistake (Ellis appears to revel in his repution for making so-called 'tough' decisions to such an extent that the toughness element outranks all other considerations - what about the easy decisions, Mike?).
And while all this is going on, what about our defence? What about our missing-for-a-month forward?
Fiddling while Rome burns.
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Post by MP on Nov 28, 2007 15:33:25 GMT
I but the way I see it, Ellis has created a situation for RR which made the player look bad by failing to deal with a shocking defence. The defence is certainly poor but Rasto hasn't been playing with much confidence. Body language suggests the team didn't have much confidence in him either. It's been noticeable that visiting teams have asiduously practiced shooting high during warmup this season - Rastos weakness has been well rumbled this time around and without a huge improvement in the defence in front of him, would continue to be exploited. So a change had to be made. Changing the goalie is a logical first move given that Askey was available. The defence needs improving as well but confidence may spread through the team from having a different netminder.
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Post by Rumpole on Nov 28, 2007 15:39:59 GMT
Thread should be renamed "Askey is here". He flew in today, arriving in Nottingham around lunchtime.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2007 17:52:03 GMT
Now arrived ;D ;D He should get himself down to the ice pad on market square for a quick session and afterwards get his guitar out and belt out some festive numbers ;D
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Post by Daddio on Nov 28, 2007 19:10:27 GMT
Looked up Askey's pictures on Google and his appearance, stance and style seem very similar to Curtis Cruickshank
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Post by psylence on Nov 28, 2007 21:50:52 GMT
whats that all about?? ha ha
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Post by Lord of the Rinks on Nov 28, 2007 22:17:18 GMT
I saw this one coming, even to the point of identifying the guy who was coming in as a replacement as soon as he was ditched by his previous club (whether that was a fluke or just dead obvious on account of our lazy approach to player recruitment is for others to decide); and whether it turns out to be a good move or a bad move, I' m of the opinion that it's an unnecessary move. Like many others I've been through this before but our problems this season have nothing to do with netminding and everything to do with defence. I'm in no way sentimental about Rasto - despite our obvious debt to him - but the way I see it, Ellis has created a situation for RR which made the player look bad by failing to deal with a shocking defence (it could be argued that the way he used Drouin produced a similar result but that's all done now ... well ... half-done). With a well-balanced, well-drilled D in front of him, Rovnianek is a more than capable EIHL netminder and cutting him is, for me, a mistake (Ellis appears to revel in his repution for making so-called 'tough' decisions to such an extent that the toughness element outranks all other considerations - what about the easy decisions, Mike?). And while all this is going on, what about our defence? What about our missing-for-a-month forward? Fiddling while Rome burns. How long would you have left it before you would make the change. If Lindsay had been replaced earlier, who know what might have happened. If Rasto keeps playing and keeps shipping goals, how long before the "fans" get on his back like they did with EL. This way he can walk away with his head held high and STILL be the fans favourite. I like Rasto and would like to remember him for the good times he has had here. He is not like other NMs that I have seen, they seem to be in a world of their own and have blank expression and vague looks. Rasto is different, perhaps he needs to distance himself from the waving to the crowd etc. Good luck wee man.
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Post by Number 9.1 on Nov 29, 2007 0:36:14 GMT
I but the way I see it, Ellis has created a situation for RR which made the player look bad by failing to deal with a shocking defence. The defence is certainly poor but Rasto hasn't been playing with much confidence. Body language suggests the team didn't have much confidence in him either. It's been noticeable that visiting teams have asiduously practiced shooting high during warmup this season - Rastos weakness has been well rumbled this time around and without a huge improvement in the defence in front of him, would continue to be exploited. So a change had to be made. Changing the goalie is a logical first move given that Askey was available. The defence needs improving as well but confidence may spread through the team from having a different netminder. I accept the idea that confidence spreads throughout the team but think that you can make as good a case for improving the performance of the netminder by sorting out the defence as you can for improving the defence by sorting out the netminder; I'd add that RR is/was pound-for-pound a better quality player than most of those on our defence and my preference would be to build around an underperforming player of considerable quality rather than underperforming players of considerably less quality. I also accept the fact that RR has/had areas of weakness in his game but don't agree that they were as serious as you appear to be suggesting (and anyway, even the much-lauded Koenig isn't much cop when players get close to him with the puck). None of this is to say that the new guy won't work out but I think we could have made better tactical use of our limited transfer cards.
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Post by Number 9.1 on Nov 29, 2007 0:55:49 GMT
I saw this one coming, even to the point of identifying the guy who was coming in as a replacement as soon as he was ditched by his previous club (whether that was a fluke or just dead obvious on account of our lazy approach to player recruitment is for others to decide); and whether it turns out to be a good move or a bad move, I' m of the opinion that it's an unnecessary move. Like many others I've been through this before but our problems this season have nothing to do with netminding and everything to do with defence. I'm in no way sentimental about Rasto - despite our obvious debt to him - but the way I see it, Ellis has created a situation for RR which made the player look bad by failing to deal with a shocking defence (it could be argued that the way he used Drouin produced a similar result but that's all done now ... well ... half-done). With a well-balanced, well-drilled D in front of him, Rovnianek is a more than capable EIHL netminder and cutting him is, for me, a mistake (Ellis appears to revel in his repution for making so-called 'tough' decisions to such an extent that the toughness element outranks all other considerations - what about the easy decisions, Mike?). And while all this is going on, what about our defence? What about our missing-for-a-month forward? Fiddling while Rome burns. How long would you have left it before you would make the change. If Lindsay had been replaced earlier, who know what might have happened. If Rasto keeps playing and keeps shipping goals, how long before the "fans" get on his back like they did with EL. This way he can walk away with his head held high and STILL be the fans favourite. I like Rasto and would like to remember him for the good times he has had here. He is not like other NMs that I have seen, they seem to be in a world of their own and have blank expression and vague looks. Rasto is different, perhaps he needs to distance himself from the waving to the crowd etc. Good luck wee man. I would have made the change when I felt that he was costing us games and I don't think that could be said to be true at any point so far this season. Lindsay was a truly terrible player in his own right (obvious to me and others from week one) whereas RR has been made to look considerably worse than he is by having the misfortune of working behind a godawful defence; the idea that he's 'shipping goals' as a result of his own performance is a diversion: smoke and mirrors masking the real problem. Maybe the new guy will be head and shoulders above Rasto in more than just height but, while his signing may prove to be a good move, it's not the one I would have made as I don't believe that RR wasn't good enough. Like I say: not necessary.
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Post by LUFC on Nov 29, 2007 1:22:02 GMT
I would have made the change when I felt that he was costing us games and I don't think that could be said to be true at any point so far this season. Lindsay was a truly terrible player in his own right (obvious to me and others from week one) where as RR has been made to look considerably worse than he is by having the misfortune of working behind a god awful defence; the idea that he's 'shipping goals' as a result of his own performance is a diversion: smoke and mirrors masking the real problem. Maybe the new guy will be head and shoulders above Rasto in more than just height but, while his signing may prove to be a good move, it's not the one I would have made as I don't believe that RR wasn't good enough. Like I say: not necessary. Obviously you didnt watch EL from game one to about game 13 then did you? You know that winning streak, the one that left us top of the league before we went to the CC. The very goaltender who performed very well at the start of the season. It was after the CC that it all went pair shaped for the guy and he lost all confidence in his own ability and that of the defence and started shipping goals. As for Rasto. Two of those goals against Newcastle CC Semi first leg a stand up keeper would of saved. Unfortunately his style of play is not too hot in our league. Teams know to go close, he then dives at the puck and you flick it over him. Simple as every time. I can see that and i'm sure others can and did. Now is and was a good time to change the team around as Mike has done. However i still feel a change in stanny is needed. A different stay at home defender who will boss the defence when ont he ice and be able to cover for pelts when he does his thing.
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Post by heja on Nov 29, 2007 8:02:37 GMT
for anyone that doesn't beileve rasto was a fairly big player in us shipping a fair wack of our goals then think about this
we have the 4th best GA in the league behind coventry, sheffield and belfast BUT rasto has the 8th worst Save percentage out of all the starters in the league
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Post by MP on Nov 29, 2007 8:11:33 GMT
I also accept the fact that RR has/had areas of weakness in his game but don't agree that they were as serious as you appear to be suggesting (and anyway, even the much-lauded Koenig isn't much cop when players get close to him with the puck). True enough - all keepers have their strengths and weaknesses and a good defence will adapt to them. Rasto had the same weakness last season but it was never exploited. Our defence was a bit stronger then but Rasto played with confidence from the word go and the team quickly became confident in him. By the time the play-offs came round he had an aura of invincibility and opposition players seemed to believe they wouldn't score against him. This season it's just the opposite. The confidence isn't there and opposition players seem to think they're in with a good chance of scoring on every shot. I don't think Rasto has directly cost us many games this season but he's not won us many either. To do well in the league you need your goalie to steal you some games that you should have lost and that isn't happening often enough. Bringing in Askey is a gamble but changes have to be made if our results are to improve. Our defensive corps lacks balance but it would need two, possibly three changes to correct that. As that isn't feasible changing the goalie is probably the best option. I'd dearly like to see the arrival of a stay home Dman as well but have my doubts about that happening.
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