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Post by ted on Nov 27, 2007 14:18:06 GMT
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ohhhh.... Askey... not ASCII
Either way... Rasto was good for us last season, undeniable it is him + Gallant that won us playoffs, one without the other wouldnt have been enough.
I was originally happy but Rich mentioned how much time he had spent injured, and his age, and I began to worry a bit. Start of the season I was disappointed to say the least. Without a solid D we didnt have much hope. Rasto just wasnt good enough on his own. What happened to the one on one specialist as he flapped around on the ice as soon as ash tait took a step over the blue line?
He was a character yes, I did like his playing style (kicking the net off, punching forwards in the throat if they got too close, a risk taker) but overall he wasnt good enough this season and Ellis is right to get rid, I dont think he is making him the scapegoat in the slightest.
Look at Edinburgh, Yes Wooly made a few schoolboy errors I will put down to inexperience as opposed to technical errors in his goalkeeping but at the end of the day it was a poor caps side who managed to put 4 by us and made us work damn hard for our points. That isnt the fault of the a goalie alone.
Good luck Rasto, and welcome new guy.
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 27, 2007 14:19:45 GMT
as a top 5 league player we still won nothing. Apart from a Challenge Cup. 1 assist in a 2 leg final, great stats. Jinman never produced against the Steelers, he will admit that himself.
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Post by KimThePanther on Nov 27, 2007 14:21:49 GMT
Apart from a Challenge Cup. 1 assist in a 2 leg final, great stats. Jinman never produced against the Steelers, he will admit that himself. You said we won nothing, not that Jinman didn't contribute much to what we did win. To be fair that's probably an accusation you could throw at most of our players from that season (apart from the Challenge Cup final of course) - not beating them more than the two times we did cost us the league.
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 27, 2007 14:23:47 GMT
Love Lee to bits, what did he bring to the table them seasons Are you just trying to wind people up again? Lee brought 76 points from 73 games in the ISL. And when brought back for the EIHL (to sell shirts?) he brought 47 from 26 games for reputedly very low pay due to being paid off by his original club of that season. So his EIHL points return was 1.81 per game, which compares pretty favourably even with Tessier's 1.54 per game. Just because the team weren't good enough, that doesn't mean that individual players weren't and shouldn't rule them out of a return. To rule someone out just because they've played here before is just as bad (if not worse) as to sign someone for sentimental reasons.
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 27, 2007 14:25:43 GMT
1 assist in a 2 leg final, great stats. Jinman never produced against the Steelers, he will admit that himself. You said we won nothing, not that Jinman didn't contribute much to what we did win. To be fair that's probably an accusation you could throw at most of our players from that season (apart from the Challenge Cup final of course) - not beating them more than once cost us the league. You also cut and pasted mid sentence, I answered you now please offer me the same courtesy, what did Lee bring to the table that season. Challenge Cup, Coca Cola Bowl, Charity Shield mean nothing, Leagues make teams
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2007 14:27:32 GMT
It will be interesting to see what the stance is if Askey comes in and goals are still being shipped despite his best efforts Hi Paul - welcome to the Cage. If I'm honest, I still expect us to ship goals unless we strengthen the defence as well. Hopefully not quite so many and with luck Askey will give the team more confidence and that might convert into more goals at the other end of the ice. Thanks MP. If I'm honest, I've always been worried about the forwards when Blaze have faced Panthers-with such players as McAslan, Molin etc goals shouldn't really be an issue...although Molin in particular has looked a bit less assured this season, which could be down to the confidence-in-defence issues you mention. This is true-Pelletier in particular looks like a converted forward rather than a d-man, Stancok is slow and cumbersome...when those two are on the ice it seems Meyers and Neilson are having to do the work of two men. Indeed it did-and I hope it does so again, because I always look forward to Blaze-Panthers games, and it's a little strange to see them languishing in the lower reaches of the table, especially with the forward talent they can call on...it was a little saddening in some ways to see the Panthers perform the way they did when Blaze beat them 4-0 at the Skydome last visit, however pleased I was at the result. I'm like many of the Panthers faithful though in seeing Stancok as the major weak link in this season's defence-find someone big and steady to play with Pelletier, put Meyers with Neilson and I have a feeling things will suddenly tighten up in front of Askey...
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Post by LUFC on Nov 27, 2007 14:27:37 GMT
Seems reading this, once again it's the same old arguments put forward after every new signing that coincides with the release of a player. We have those that wanted change and got it, those that didnt want a change of keeper and claim he's a scapegoat for other areas of under performing team mates. While others believe that brining rasto back was a mistake in the first place. While others still cling onto it being a stroke of genius. Well i dont have the answers myself. And in reality i dont think anyone can claim to be right either which way. So instead of saying my piece on the arguements above. I'll just say this. Ellis has made his choice, with him being the one paid to make the decisions as fans we must stand behind him at the end of the day. Welcome to Nottingham Askey. Hope you settle in fast and can perform from the get go. Challenge Cup, Coca Cola Bowl, Charity Shield mean nothing, Leagues make teams As for this remark. Your wrong. Cups and other tropheys for any sport mean an awful lot. Be it football, hockey or Rugby league. To win a cup can mean everything to a team. Try telling Teams like Basingstoke or Edinburgh who wouldnt be seen as League Rivals yet when it comes to cup's are there from the get go giving all to win something that season. Cups are a success. Maybe not as big as winning the league, but a success for a team non the less!
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 27, 2007 14:28:55 GMT
Love Lee to bits, what did he bring to the table them seasons Are you just trying to wind people up again? Facts mister, as you quite rightly posted a great ISL player, should have ripped the Elite league apart, however. This is a team sport, and individuals need to bring more than good stats, ala David Beckham from an earlier thread I believe you commented on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2007 14:30:49 GMT
To back Chris up a little I will say that as good a player that Lee Jinman was for us, he very rarely turned it on in games that mattered.
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Post by martinski83 on Nov 27, 2007 14:31:32 GMT
Maybe Ellis is going with joint #1 Netminders for a while to see how it goes. Could be a good move. It also gives wooly a chance to go back to Romford on loan or another EPL Team & get some game experience. Have just been told that Rasto was released this morning and is flying home tomorrow. However he will return next week to sort out his belongings before returning back home. This is true. Rasto won't be number two until an import arrives. He has been cut.
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 27, 2007 14:36:25 GMT
Are you just trying to wind people up again? Facts mister, as you quite rightly posted a great ISL player, should have ripped the Elite league apart, however. This is a team sport, and individuals need to bring more than good stats, ala David Beckham from an earlier thread I believe you commented on. Now you're the one cutting out crucial parts of people's posts. As my original post pointed out, he pretty much did rip apart the EIHL while he was with us. He just wasn't here for enough of the season to make enough difference for the league race. So maybe he didn't perform enough in the big games, and Sheffield were a bogey team for him. If it's the league you want, it's his overall performance that's important not his performance against Sheffield. Also, my other point still stands, just because the team didn't win the league while he was here, that doesn't mean he wasn't good enough. All it proves is that the team weren't good enough.
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Post by LUFC on Nov 27, 2007 14:37:25 GMT
Would like to also wish Rasto all the best for the future. Thanks for that save and bringing us Play Off Glory. Without your penalty saving we could never of done it!
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Post by KimThePanther on Nov 27, 2007 14:39:53 GMT
Challenge Cup....mean nothing In you're opinion of course. Having sat through and seen us lose 2 playoff finals, 1 B&H Cup final, 3 Challenge Cup finals to them, not to mention the indignity of them coming and nicking a league title that was destined for LPS on our ice in '95, the events of St Patrick's Day 2004 mean an awful lot more than nothing to me! Just because it wasn't the big prize doesn't make something 'nothing'. What did Jinman bring to the table that season? Nearly two points a game can't really be scoffed at. He was a late edition to the side and he was consistent throughout the time he was with us. The signs of a league winner surely? All the fact we didn't win the league that year shows is that we didn't have a team good enough to compete with a strong Steelers lineup including a fantastic netminder.
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Post by paek on Nov 27, 2007 14:43:19 GMT
Without wishing this thread to go-off topic, Chris if you're being critical of Jinman due to him registering "only" one assist in both legs of the final, I guess you also label that accusation at Craighead who scored 40 goals that season?
He scored one solitary point, a goal.
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 27, 2007 14:45:24 GMT
Challenge Cup....mean nothing In you're opinion of course. Having sat through and seen us lose 2 playoff finals, 1 B&H Cup final, 3 Challenge Cup finals to them, not to mention the indignity of them coming and nicking a league title that was destined for LPS on our ice in '95, the events of St Patrick's Day 2004 mean an awful lot more than nothing to me! Just because it wasn't the big prize doesn't make something 'nothing'. What did Jinman bring to the table that season? Nearly two points a game can't really be scoffed at. He was a late edition to the side and he was consistent throughout the time he was with us. The signs of a league winner surely? All the fact we didn't win the league that year shows is that we didn't have a team good enough to compete with a strong Steelers lineup including a fantastic netminder. And just to back up I NEVER saw Lee perform in Sheffield or Belfast. Doughnut, your playing your own game of reading the lines, I was under the impression we were talking re-signs so I didn't count ISL.
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 27, 2007 14:47:14 GMT
I guess you also label that accusation at Craighead who scored 40 goals that season? Another team player Another 'shirt seller'.
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Post by paek on Nov 27, 2007 14:48:34 GMT
I guess you also label that accusation at Craighead who scored 40 goals that season? Another team player Another 'shirt seller'. Nice to see you couldn't address the question at hand Chris.
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 27, 2007 14:49:57 GMT
Doughnut, your playing your own game of reading the lines, I was under the impression we were talking re-signs so I didn't count ISL. Fine, so disregard my points about his time in the ISL. You're still yet to respond to my main point in both my posts which was about his time after re-signing for us in the EIHL. Which leads me to suspect the answer to my first question was 'yes' - you are just trying to wind people up aren't you?
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Post by KimThePanther on Nov 27, 2007 14:50:06 GMT
And just to back up I NEVER saw Lee perform in Sheffield or Belfast. Though he did, if I remember rightly, get a couple of goals and assists in the Challenge Cup semi final against Belfast that season, so not playing too big a role in us getting to the final.
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 27, 2007 14:54:55 GMT
Doughnut, your playing your own game of reading the lines, I was under the impression we were talking re-signs so I didn't count ISL. Fine, so disregard my points about his time in the ISL. You're still yet to respond to my main point in both my posts which was about his time after re-signing for us in the EIHL. Which leads me to suspect the answer to my first question was 'yes' - you are just trying to wind people up aren't you? Show me the success Rob, is all I ask, did we challenge at all?
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 27, 2007 14:57:57 GMT
Fine, so disregard my points about his time in the ISL. You're still yet to respond to my main point in both my posts which was about his time after re-signing for us in the EIHL. Which leads me to suspect the answer to my first question was 'yes' - you are just trying to wind people up aren't you? Show me the success Rob, is all I ask, did we challenge at all? You're obviously not interested in addressing (reading even?) anyone else's questions or comments, so I suggest we bring this thread back on topic and keep it there. ... Welcome to Nottingham Tom Askey.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2007 15:09:44 GMT
How the hell has this thread gone from welcoming Tom to Nottingham onto talking about Lee Jinman in the big games KEEP IT ON TOPIC anyway i hope Mr Askeys stay here is a sucessful one, he certainly has good pedigree, i feel Elis will make one more change (on d) as well as this pending forward arriving Nice match for askey to start is Panthers career , with a goal of backstopping us to the CC final ;D
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Post by KimThePanther on Nov 27, 2007 15:12:28 GMT
with a goal of backstopping us to the CC final ;D Yes, talk about being thrown in at the deep end!
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Post by MP on Nov 27, 2007 15:16:52 GMT
I'm like many of the Panthers faithful though in seeing Stancok as the major weak link in this season's defence-find someone big and steady to play with Pelletier, put Meyers with Neilson and I have a feeling things will suddenly tighten up in front of Askey... I think you're right there. Stancok has been a disappointment. I wasn't his greatest fan last time around (I wasn't a Charron fan either - enough to get me lynched on here! ) though he was a deal more effective then. We don't think our ZT policy is very strict but it's hurting Robert. Neilson can stay home on D but he is so good at quarterbacking the offence (our best playmaker) that he has to have licence to go forward when he sees fit. That means Danny Meyers having to play a more stay home role and I'm not sure he's really suited for that but he needs to try. Pelletier needs a linemate like Bob Nordmark, someone who can read the game, cover back for him, tell him where and when to go and provide the physical presence in front of the net. If we bring in another Dman then fingers crossed it's someone like that - preferably a bit more physical than Bob was. With the right linemate I still think Pelletier can do a good job for us as his speed and work rate are useful weapons.
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 27, 2007 15:31:30 GMT
Another team player Another 'shirt seller'. Nice to see you couldn't address the question at hand Chris. Sorry Ill try again Craighead, great player top scorer and 220 odd minutes in penalties, however he ripped the heart of the Panthers dressing room. Again great first season, brought back to sell more shirts (there is no denying that), and another player like Lee a great fan favourite, but ultimately they couldn't bring that elusive league trophy to Panthers. I really wish people would make up their minds, on who is to blame for the lean championship tally, is it the players because you are here defending 2 of the biggest and best signings (on paper) of the last decade and they didn't bring the silver home. Or is it the coaches who sign (allegedly) these players and cant get the best out of them. I'm going for a bath now, my head hurts, anyone would think the reason Panthers have not won a championship was all down to me. Good luck TA in Nottingham, I really hope it does work out for you. Anyone know if he is a family guy?
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