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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 17:30:38 GMT
How many panthers sides over the years have been skilled but have hardly put in a shift ?
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Post by iginla on Jul 10, 2019 18:11:42 GMT
How many panthers sides over the years have been skilled but have hardly put in a shift ? Some may have been reasonably well skilled,but there was always some other team who seemed more skilled. Now If you asked how many Panthers teams in the last 20 years that were skilled and put a shift in the answer is ONE.....2012/13.
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Post by Joe on Jul 10, 2019 18:37:58 GMT
but were they outworking their opponents though? I personally don’t think we’ll be that far behind Devils in terms of quality on paper and hard work can certainly bridge the gap between us and Cardiff So let me get this straight you "believe" that the likes of Cardiff and Sheffield are going to be very skilled but will NOT work hard? You think that a lack of quality can be made up by just one team on the ice working hard?.... Sure lets believe that... did you even read my post? I didn’t say they wouldn’t work hard, I said that by out working your opponents you give yourself the opportunity to win games and I didn’t say I think we lack quality but that I think we’ll have slightly less quality than Cardiff
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 18:41:59 GMT
What an earth does that mean? “I think we’ll have slightly quality” !🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 19:05:03 GMT
How many panthers sides over the years have been skilled but have hardly put in a shift ? Some may have been reasonably well skilled,but there was always some other team who seemed more skilled. Now If you asked how many Panthers teams in the last 20 years that were skilled and put a shift in the answer is ONE.....2012/13. Not many have been, the difference is they have had the better attitude and applied themselves over 50 odd games ..not over 10-15 ! Like you've said 100 times we are aware we got it right in 12/13 season
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Post by iginla on Jul 10, 2019 19:36:57 GMT
So let me get this straight you "believe" that the likes of Cardiff and Sheffield are going to be very skilled but will NOT work hard? You think that a lack of quality can be made up by just one team on the ice working hard?.... Sure lets believe that... did you even read my post? I didn’t say they wouldn’t work hard, I said that by out working your opponents you give yourself the opportunity to win games and I didn’t say I think we lack quality but that I think we’ll have slightly less quality than Cardiff So if we have slightly less quality than Cardiff but Panthers work slightly more harder than Cardiff.....who’s going to win ? 😆
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Post by texpef on Jul 10, 2019 19:40:54 GMT
You imply panthers can outwork there opponents but this does not take into consideration that they could work just as hard does it? Why would panthers sign a more hardworking less skilled side?
From experience Cardiff have worked pretty hard over the past few seasons regardless of quality, to expect to beat them with a one dimentional so called "hardworking" side is imho a little delusional, naïve and underestimating our competitors. As stated the likes of MK, fife, Edinburgh and Manchester have all worked hard, got nowhere near winning a league trophy though...
As an addendum, over the past couple of decades or more it has become abundantly clear the best way to win the league is to have the best team on the ice in terms of skill, effort, teamwork and leadership... the best way to do this is to have the best players available to our league and have a coach with a clear game plan to make the best of those best players, teams that do that win 9 times out of 10 (no accounting for the x factor such as a demise in the family or long term injury to a key player)..
It is my experience that the panthers management do not do the above and that's why we don't win the league, nothing to do with "outworking" your opponents.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 19:55:10 GMT
One thing is for sure it's a learning curve for Tim and Gui they must be given time by the ownership to build something if they dont win anything in their first year
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Post by Joe on Jul 10, 2019 20:01:05 GMT
You imply panthers can outwork there opponents but this does not take into consideration that they could work just as hard does it? Why would panthers sign a more hardworking less skilled side? From experience Cardiff have worked pretty hard over the past few seasons regardless of quality, to expect to beat them with a one dimentional so called "hardworking" side is imho a little delusional, naïve and underestimating our competitors. As stated the likes of MK, fife, Edinburgh and Manchester have all worked hard, got nowhere near winning a league trophy though... As an addendum, over the past couple of decades or more it has become abundantly clear the best way to win the league is to have the best team on the ice in terms of skill, effort, teamwork and leadership... the best way to do this is to have the best players available to our league and have a coach with a clear game plan to make the best of those best players, teams that do that win 9 times out of 10 (no accounting for the x factor such as a demise in the family or long term injury to a key player).. It is my experience that the panthers management do not do the above and that's why we don't win the league, nothing to do with "outworking" your opponents. I’m not expecting to beat Cardiff my point was merely that even if we end up with less quality on the roster than Cardiff it doesn’t mean it’s game over, there are different aspects to the game that I feel people aren’t taking into consideration when comparing teams which is why it’s important to wait and see what happens first before writing this season off
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 20:05:00 GMT
You imply panthers can outwork there opponents but this does not take into consideration that they could work just as hard does it? Why would panthers sign a more hardworking less skilled side? From experience Cardiff have worked pretty hard over the past few seasons regardless of quality, to expect to beat them with a one dimentional so called "hardworking" side is imho a little delusional, naïve and underestimating our competitors. As stated the likes of MK, fife, Edinburgh and Manchester have all worked hard, got nowhere near winning a league trophy though... As an addendum, over the past couple of decades or more it has become abundantly clear the best way to win the league is to have the best team on the ice in terms of skill, effort, teamwork and leadership... the best way to do this is to have the best players available to our league and have a coach with a clear game plan to make the best of those best players, teams that do that win 9 times out of 10 (no accounting for the x factor such as a demise in the family or long term injury to a key player).. It is my experience that the panthers management do not do the above and that's why we don't win the league, nothing to do with "outworking" your opponents. I’m not expecting to beat Cardiff my point was merely that even if we end up with less quality on the roster than Cardiff it doesn’t mean it’s game over, there are different aspects to the game that I feel people aren’t taking into consideration when comparing teams which is why it’s important to wait and see what happens first before writing this season off Teams dont win on skill alone we know but if this Panthers team works hard.. something what we didn't see last year it will give the team a chance to be competitive. Lots of Scottish teams over the years have caused the arena teams problems not due to their skill but their work rate. If these panthere players play to for the shirt and I see effort every night there wont be any criticism from me it's when they go into coast mode what gets my back up
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Post by iginla on Jul 10, 2019 21:31:38 GMT
You imply panthers can outwork there opponents but this does not take into consideration that they could work just as hard does it? Why would panthers sign a more hardworking less skilled side? From experience Cardiff have worked pretty hard over the past few seasons regardless of quality, to expect to beat them with a one dimentional so called "hardworking" side is imho a little delusional, naïve and underestimating our competitors. As stated the likes of MK, fife, Edinburgh and Manchester have all worked hard, got nowhere near winning a league trophy though... As an addendum, over the past couple of decades or more it has become abundantly clear the best way to win the league is to have the best team on the ice in terms of skill, effort, teamwork and leadership... the best way to do this is to have the best players available to our league and have a coach with a clear game plan to make the best of those best players, teams that do that win 9 times out of 10 (no accounting for the x factor such as a demise in the family or long term injury to a key player).. It is my experience that the panthers management do not do the above and that's why we don't win the league, nothing to do with "outworking" your opponents. I’m not expecting to beat Cardiff my point was merely that even if we end up with less quality on the roster than Cardiff it doesn’t mean it’s game over, there are different aspects to the game that I feel people aren’t taking into consideration when comparing teams which is why it’s important to wait and see what happens first before writing this season off Mmmm so if you’re not expecting to beat Cardiff then that’s rather writing the season off as a second place finish at best. 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 22:00:54 GMT
If we finish 2nd in Tim's and Gui'S first season then to me that's been a success. Then hopefully they can build on something for year 2 and so on. It's all about being patience. Since Tim and Gui came in they seem to have a plan on how they will be doing things so at this point I'm going to give them a chance to prove themselves and not right them off
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Post by texpef on Jul 11, 2019 7:19:18 GMT
If we finish 2nd in Tim's and Gui'S first season then to me that's been a success. Then hopefully they can build on something for year 2 and so on. It's all about being patience. Since Tim and Gui came in they seem to have a plan on how they will be doing things so at this point I'm going to give them a chance to prove themselves and not right them off If we finish 2nd we will have done something not achieved since the triple... its got to be quite an exceptional season to not finish our average over the past decade... No one is writing them off just trying to be realistic as well as positive
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Post by grrm on Jul 12, 2019 17:13:03 GMT
I am beginning to fear that our last few signings are going to leave me feeling a little underwelmed - I hope I'm wrong but we are talking Panthers here, gulp!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 17:26:39 GMT
Its down to how much of the budget is left which determines the quality of player Panthers bring in
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Post by wgray on Jul 12, 2019 17:28:01 GMT
I am beginning to fear that our last few signings are going to leave me feeling a little underwelmed - I hope I'm wrong but we are talking Panthers here, gulp!!! Why do you think that?
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Post by grrm on Jul 12, 2019 18:04:01 GMT
I am beginning to fear that our last few signings are going to leave me feeling a little underwelmed - I hope I'm wrong but we are talking Panthers here, gulp!!! Why do you think that? I guess it's past seasons influencing my thinking, plus seeing some impressive signings up the road - I must be more positive about the new Panthers era!!
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Post by Joe on Jul 12, 2019 18:34:25 GMT
I’m not expecting to beat Cardiff my point was merely that even if we end up with less quality on the roster than Cardiff it doesn’t mean it’s game over, there are different aspects to the game that I feel people aren’t taking into consideration when comparing teams which is why it’s important to wait and see what happens first before writing this season off Mmmm so if you’re not expecting to beat Cardiff then that’s rather writing the season off as a second place finish at best. 🤔 I meant in individual games and not over the season and I don’t expect to beat anyone because there has been that many occasions where the lower quality team has beaten the higher quality team
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Post by dill1015 on Jul 12, 2019 18:57:38 GMT
I think we have 2 top signings left to make.
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Post by iginla on Jul 12, 2019 19:23:43 GMT
Its down to how much of the budget is left which determines the quality of player Panthers bring in Considering we will have saved some £1500 a week on Lee and Farmer the remaining budget left should be substantial.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 19:26:44 GMT
That's basing things that Panthers budget hasn't been cut!
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Post by Joe on Jul 12, 2019 19:43:58 GMT
That's basing things that Panthers budget hasn't been cut! Well Black has made comments before about how the lack of success in the league is becoming frustrating and needs to improve, so if that is the truth then cutting the budget is only going to make it harder
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 19:50:32 GMT
That's basing things that Panthers budget hasn't been cut! Well Black has made comments before about how the lack of success in the league is becoming frustrating and needs to improve, so if that is the truth then cutting the budget is only going to make it harder Neil Black says plenty of things what the fans want to hear. Well so far this roster looks far from expensive .. I just dont think hes prepared to put his hand in his pocket as deep as those from cardiff, belfast and Sheffield do
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Post by Joe on Jul 12, 2019 20:21:56 GMT
Well Black has made comments before about how the lack of success in the league is becoming frustrating and needs to improve, so if that is the truth then cutting the budget is only going to make it harder Neil Black says plenty of things what the fans want to hear. Well so far this roster looks far from expensive .. I just dont think hes prepared to put his hand in his pocket as deep as those from cardiff, belfast and Sheffield do I think it’s one thing to say he’s not prepared to spend as much as others but another to say he’s cut the budget
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Post by iginla on Jul 12, 2019 20:49:33 GMT
Neil Black says plenty of things what the fans want to hear. Well so far this roster looks far from expensive .. I just dont think hes prepared to put his hand in his pocket as deep as those from cardiff, belfast and Sheffield do I think it’s one thing to say he’s not prepared to spend as much as others but another to say he’s cut the budget I doubt Black’s cut the budget,but to compete it seems the budget needs upping. Part of Panthers problem is players aren’t daft,they will probably look at crowds and the set up etc in Nottingham and see £££ signs and profit and so they think they should be paid more. Next year they want more money,don’t get it so off they go. Contrast that with other teams who players can see aren’t cash rich and that’s one element of Panthers troubles.
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