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Post by wgray on Feb 27, 2018 17:25:25 GMT
I think Ollie is great on the PK personally, and the reason the doesn't play 5v3 PK is because he doesn't play centre, have you ever seen him take a faceoff? lacho has played 5 on 3 for years but on last year started playing centre so that theory don't work. It depends how you set up, so 2 forwards 1 dman, or vice versa. We’ve generally had 2 forwards and I can recall Ollie and Lacho being on 5 on 3 this season.
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 27, 2018 19:47:06 GMT
I think Ollie is great on the PK personally, and the reason the doesn't play 5v3 PK is because he doesn't play centre, have you ever seen him take a faceoff? lacho has played 5 on 3 for years but on last year started playing centre so that theory don't work. It should by common sense, you've got 3 players defending against 5, 2 d and a forward that's capable of winning defensive face offs. The fact that we havnt done that in the past, comes down to the coach. It's basic stuff that we havnt done
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 11, 2018 21:22:07 GMT
Perhaps time to bump this thread as we near the end of the season and comments related to this appeae more on other threads anyway. Hopefully it can get back on topic now too.
I'm sure with the season being the mess it has been some will just want a big clear out. I get that point of view but for me, as I've stated i'd be quite happy to see most of this group back. Although there are only a few i'd be upset to lose. And of course a new coach may well have a clear out anyway.
Garnett - Jekyl and Hyde. He is back so not big a discussion to be had.
Galbraith - 100% have back. Need somebody to cover Garnetts misgivings. For me he needs to see Garnett off to retirement next season and then take the number 1 slot firmly. Could easily see him as a 5 year man.
Gospel - 100%. I get his ice time is serverly limited, however he likely knew we were going with 2 imports when signed this season. It all comes down to what he wants. He is now also an over 23 so maybe if he is to be 3rd choice we let him go and play and have a younger back up.
Sauve - Cant decide, clearly a glass player. A lot of mistakes. He comes under try with another coach for me. I wont lose any sleep if he doesn't return.
Billingsley - Unsung hero of the team. Very rarely spoken about. For a Dman that is good. Mr consistant. 100%
Gagnon - Not seen many players combine the 2 roles he does so well. One of the hardest(certainly as we move away from true heavyweights) but a solid 2nd pairing guy as a player too. 100%
Spang - 50/50 I quite like him, but if a shake up is needed he should be the one to go.
Lee - Can't see him going anywhere. A decent Brit at times, aweful at others. Probably his best season of the last 3.
Tetlow - 100% get him here full time. 7th slot with semi regular ice time. Has proved he can do it. Just continue to gather experience.
Pither - Keep. Done well since coming in. Our most likely to score in any game. Again, see under new coach.
Vaskivou - I like him. Quick, makes some great passes and can score. Full season under new coach.
Derlargo - Some like some dont. Personally I like him a lot. O.K he hasn't scored the goals. Understadably questioned as a goal scorer. Deffinatly a player I think has suffered under Neilson. I think he brings a lot. He's is great against the boards and rarely pushed off the puck. Another season to see if it changes.
Mok - At times the best player in the league, other times gone completly missing. Most likely struggled with languge and home sickness (im only guessing mind). A great talent. If he wants to come back i'd say yes.
Mosey - Not the season many hoped for. Great to have, but a player most deffinatly viewed through rose tinted glasses by many. Would have him back but the team has to be built correctly in other slots. No room for him and Lindhagen as regulars.
Lindhagen - Work horse. Versatile, just one of the changes that has to happen to increase production for me. As he should have been to start this season, keep but as spare.
Brown - 100% if he wants to stay. Should be Captain, gritty, can fight and add production. As a new coach i'd like him to be more of a rat.
Perlini - Up and down but as a Brit a no brainer. 100%
Bussieries - Probably the only nailed on gas for me. Good start but gone way off, may do it under a new coach but some changes have to be made. We need production and cannot afford him when we have Brown.
Philips - Just don't know. Cam't decide. Great hands, not done enough. Won't be in the slightest bit bothered of he goes. Would be intrigued to see him under a new coach.
Farmer - Get him back, get him fit, dropped off big time compared to early season. Still a no brainer.
Ollie - Still an under 23. 4th liner/13th forward. 100%
Lacho - Best season for a long time. Can't imagine him going anywhere else. If we can nick a better one then upgrade. That wont happen though.
So from this year. The D needs the big Beckett type. Then replace Spang. We have too many forwards anyway.
Lee - Sauve Billingsley - Gagnon Beckett type - Import Tetlow
Vaskivou - Pither - Derlargo Import - Mosey - Philips/Import Mok - Brown - Perlini Lacho - Farmer - Ollie
Not deffinatly those lines. If confident in Tetlow then perhaps sign another forward and have Tetlow as regular.
Lindhagen as Spare.
I know it not far off this currently 7th placed team, but I will stick by the fact I'd like to see most of them under a new coach.
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Post by EMB on Mar 11, 2018 22:14:22 GMT
Can’t see much wrong with those choices Bagheera, I’d still lose Garnett if we had the choice I just haven’t took to him all season, I didn’t see him in the CHL as I was away but heard he was amazing so I’m quite disappointed in him. I don’t think he’s here for the right reasons, education first and a bit of hockey thrown in if I recall one of his interviews pre season. Bussieres is another one I won’t miss and on the last few games Mok can go aswell, gets hit off the puck all too often or skates the length of the ice and then lets the opposition steal the puck. What I would like to see is a bloody good D man like Mike Rees or Beckett & a forward who can score, love Pither he never stops, gets pushed around abit but gives 100% we need a sniper. The only real downside I feel is that we won’t get the type of coach everyone is craving, if Moran and Black are interviewing what he hell do they know, I can see an ex player (Ceman) or even Russell taking this role& woe betide anyone that disagrees with Moran. For the first time in 18 years I’m seriously considering not renewing my ticket.
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Post by John Casey on Mar 11, 2018 22:51:02 GMT
Yeah definitely keep Pither as he has looked dangerous (Wish we had him at the start of the season)and Vaskivou, who seems to pop up to put the puck into a empty net (Like against Fife & Sheffield)
I would also keep the Goalies, Gagnon, Mosey, Brown, Billingsley and Mok.
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Post by dill1015 on Mar 12, 2018 14:16:49 GMT
Perhaps time to bump this thread as we near the end of the season and comments related to this appeae more on other threads anyway. Hopefully it can get back on topic now too. I'm sure with the season being the mess it has been some will just want a big clear out. I get that point of view but for me, as I've stated i'd be quite happy to see most of this group back. Although there are only a few i'd be upset to lose. And of course a new coach may well have a clear out anyway. Garnett - Jekyl and Hyde. He is back so not big a discussion to be had. Galbraith - 100% have back. Need somebody to cover Garnetts misgivings. For me he needs to see Garnett off to retirement next season and then take the number 1 slot firmly. Could easily see him as a 5 year man. Gospel - 100%. I get his ice time is serverly limited, however he likely knew we were going with 2 imports when signed this season. It all comes down to what he wants. He is now also an over 23 so maybe if he is to be 3rd choice we let him go and play and have a younger back up. Sauve - Cant decide, clearly a glass player. A lot of mistakes. He comes under try with another coach for me. I wont lose any sleep if he doesn't return. Billingsley - Unsung hero of the team. Very rarely spoken about. For a Dman that is good. Mr consistant. 100% Gagnon - Not seen many players combine the 2 roles he does so well. One of the hardest(certainly as we move away from true heavyweights) but a solid 2nd pairing guy as a player too. 100% Spang - 50/50 I quite like him, but if a shake up is needed he should be the one to go. Lee - Can't see him going anywhere. A decent Brit at times, aweful at others. Probably his best season of the last 3. Tetlow - 100% get him here full time. 7th slot with semi regular ice time. Has proved he can do it. Just continue to gather experience. Pither - Keep. Done well since coming in. Our most likely to score in any game. Again, see under new coach. Vaskivou - I like him. Quick, makes some great passes and can score. Full season under new coach. Derlargo - Some like some dont. Personally I like him a lot. O.K he hasn't scored the goals. Understadably questioned as a goal scorer. Deffinatly a player I think has suffered under Neilson. I think he brings a lot. He's is great against the boards and rarely pushed off the puck. Another season to see if it changes. Mok - At times the best player in the league, other times gone completly missing. Most likely struggled with languge and home sickness (im only guessing mind). A great talent. If he wants to come back i'd say yes. Mosey - Not the season many hoped for. Great to have, but a player most deffinatly viewed through rose tinted glasses by many. Would have him back but the team has to be built correctly in other slots. No room for him and Lindhagen as regulars. Lindhagen - Work horse. Versatile, just one of the changes that has to happen to increase production for me. As he should have been to start this season, keep but as spare. Brown - 100% if he wants to stay. Should be Captain, gritty, can fight and add production. As a new coach i'd like him to be more of a rat. Perlini - Up and down but as a Brit a no brainer. 100% Bussieries - Probably the only nailed on gas for me. Good start but gone way off, may do it under a new coach but some changes have to be made. We need production and cannot afford him when we have Brown. Philips - Just don't know. Cam't decide. Great hands, not done enough. Won't be in the slightest bit bothered of he goes. Would be intrigued to see him under a new coach. Farmer - Get him back, get him fit, dropped off big time compared to early season. Still a no brainer. Ollie - Still an under 23. 4th liner/13th forward. 100% Lacho - Best season for a long time. Can't imagine him going anywhere else. If we can nick a better one then upgrade. That wont happen though. So from this year. The D needs the big Beckett type. Then replace Spang. We have too many forwards anyway. Lee - Sauve Billingsley - Gagnon Beckett type - Import Tetlow Vaskivou - Pither - Derlargo Import - Mosey - Philips/Import Mok - Brown - Perlini Lacho - Farmer - Ollie Not deffinatly those lines. If confident in Tetlow then perhaps sign another forward and have Tetlow as regular. Lindhagen as Spare. I know it not far off this currently 7th placed team, but I will stick by the fact I'd like to see most of them under a new coach. Generally agree with a couple of exceptions. Spang - no brainer to get rid of. I just dont see what he offers that a bigger probably cheaper guy couldnt bring. Mok - i think people give too much weight on his wow moments. Theyre too infrequent. Unless hes very cheap id rather have a less flashy mr consistent. Philips - no way no how. He was brought in as a first line centre. I wouldnt take him at second line. Hes one of those guys where i can see why he was draft and just as clearly see why he never made it.
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Post by iginla on Mar 12, 2018 14:44:45 GMT
The only imports I'd even consider bringing back would be Pither,Gagnon,Billingsley,Mosey,Sauve and Galbraith.
Mosey would have to take a pay cut though,because he's way over rated for what will be one of the top earners. And Sauve needs to cut out the flash Harry i think I'm a bit too good for this league stuff which ends up in costly mistakes.
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Mar 12, 2018 15:15:38 GMT
The only imports I'd even consider bringing back would be Pither,Gagnon,Billingsley,Mosey,Sauve and Galbraith. Mosey would have to take a pay cut though,because he's way over rated for what will be one of the top earners. And Sauve needs to cut out the flash Harry i think I'm a bit too good for this league stuff which ends up in costly mistakes. I'd honestly cancel garnetts contract as I imagine he's a big earner too, I know he's on a uni deal but he could stay off his own back to do his second year. Galbraith with gospel backing up and run a spare import forward
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Post by Yotes on Mar 12, 2018 15:17:26 GMT
As a preface to this, I don't look at them and think of any of them that they're rubbish, but I can't really work out whether that's because they're all pretty average and no one stands out either as good or bad, and we've seen such average stuff this year that you become accustomed to it as the norm, or what. The key fact to me is: Worst Erhardt club comfortably, below one of the noobs having their first go at it (if only until tomorrow night, admittedly) and miles off top spot. For the biggest club in the league, that is embarrassing and unacceptable, and it can't all be on Corey. So... Imports: Garnett - Contracted. Sauve - No, although it is rumoured he's contracted. I personally think he makes too many ricks and takes too many penalties for what you'd imagine is our top earning import or close (CV-wise). Spang - No, run his course. Billingsley - Maybe, not fussed either way. Don't think he's all that, our defence isn't that good. Gagnon - Maybe. Do we need a fighter? Is he a good enough defenceman without that? Brown - Keep, make captain. Mosey - Maybe, depends on money. Derlago - No. Lindhagen - No. Phillips - No. Mokshantsev - Maybe. Bussieres - No (sadly, I had high hopes for a bit of a wrecking ball type, as he showed in the CHL to a degree). Galbraith - Maybe, I personally think we need to trust Gospel to do it, if we have any hopes he'll develop into something more Bowns than Green. Would take him over Mike tbh, but Mike's signed so that's that. Pither - Maybe, he's putting up points but I'm wary of short-term returns and whether they translate to a season's worth. Vaskivuo - Maybe, as above. Snr Brits: Perlini - Must keep. Farmer - Contracted I think, but would be a keep anyway. Gospel - Keep. Lee, Lachowicz - Keep because there's nothing better. Clarke - Retiring. U23 Brits: Hazeldine, Tetlow, Kelsall, Betteridge - Keep all of them. Oh, and obviously Senior Management: Black - Out Moran - Out
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Post by Robbie Nud on Mar 12, 2018 15:59:22 GMT
My view Imports: Garnett - Wouldn't keep, not consistent enough Galbraith - The better of the two Sauve - No, takes dumb penalties and stops trying at times Spang - Nope, steady but better out there Billingsley - again no, didn't deliver what we were promised. Gagnon - tough but a decent player too. A keeper Brown - Yes, a leader by example. Mosey - not fussed, has the speed but not a lot of product from it. Derlago - Probably not, although has some product but not consistent throughout the season Lindhagen - No, better out there. Phillips - No, no, no Mokshantsev - Possibly Bussieres - Nope, didn't deliver Pither - Yes, getting the points Vaskivuo - Yes, as Pither.
Brits: Gospel - keep, will get better but not if he doesn't get ice time. Lee - coasting, making same errors doesn't improve in fact now going backwards. Replace with a younger hungrier player Tetlow - Yes, has size and not afraid to get stuck in Farmer - yes, but give back the agitator role and the edgy play. Perlini - yes. Lacho - I think there is better, similar to Lee Betteridge - absolute yes Hazeldine & Kelsall, - didn't see enough to form an opinion, but they have the skills but need to be able to use them.
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Post by PantherB on Mar 12, 2018 16:14:14 GMT
To add, about Mosey..
If he stays in the UK but leaves us, he will come back to haunt us. No doubts about it. I think if used better, he could easily live up to expectations. His speed hasn't been used half as much this season as last time he was here and even with that notion, I wouldn't want to see him playing in any other colour besides black and gold next season. Cardiff were known to be after him before this season.
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Mar 12, 2018 17:55:31 GMT
To add, about Mosey.. If he stays in the UK but leaves us, he will come back to haunt us. No doubts about it. I think if used better, he could easily live up to expectations. His speed hasn't been used half as much this season as last time he was here and even with that notion, I wouldn't want to see him playing in any other colour besides black and gold next season. Cardiff were known to be after him before this season. His decision making is very poor, his shot is below average even in this team, everyone he uses his speed to gain the zone, he looks to shoot short side, never trust to hold play in the zone or make a pass across the crease . He just shoots short side every time, it annoys the he'll out of me because the keeper is always naturally covering the short side . He's not improved at all since he left us infact I think he's gone downhill. Speed isn't everything, stick usain bolt on a pair of skates, just because he'd probably skate fast doesnt mean he can play hockey at the level ae need to be. Too many rose tinted glasses where he's concerned I'm afraid.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Mar 13, 2018 0:35:05 GMT
Part of me wants to say this player and that player but you know what no. New coach New team New direction New era Keep the brits as it’s a necessity for the league but import wise let the new coach go get his team and show us what he can put together.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:11:49 GMT
Part of me wants to say this player and that player but you know what no. New coach New team New direction New era Keep the brits as it’s a necessity for the league but import wise let the new coach go get his team and show us what he can put together. Can I add new owner & GM to the list please?
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Post by jdizpt8 on Mar 13, 2018 9:48:18 GMT
Part of me wants to say this player and that player but you know what no. New coach New team New direction New era Keep the brits as it’s a necessity for the league but import wise let the new coach go get his team and show us what he can put together. Can I add new owner & GM to the list please? Aha yeah 100%
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Post by dill1015 on Mar 13, 2018 9:48:54 GMT
To add, about Mosey.. If he stays in the UK but leaves us, he will come back to haunt us. No doubts about it. I think if used better, he could easily live up to expectations. His speed hasn't been used half as much this season as last time he was here and even with that notion, I wouldn't want to see him playing in any other colour besides black and gold next season. Cardiff were known to be after him before this season. Mosey isnt far off where i had him on poinys anyway. And i think hes suffered from out inability to pick a pass. Noones putting him in on goal regularly. Also we always look really poor when hes out the team. I have no issues with mosey personally.
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Post by Mark on Mar 15, 2018 18:11:10 GMT
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Post by harvey on Apr 3, 2018 18:25:00 GMT
Excluding Edinburgh, top 6 of each...
Name G A POINTS Perlini 17 28 45 Derlago 14 29 43 Phillips 14 28 42 Sauve 10 25 35 Mokshantsev 16 16 32 Brown 10 20 30
Name +/- Mosey 17 Phillips 15 Pither 12 Billingsley 11 Spang 7 Vaskivuo 7
Ill take Derlago and Phillips anytime
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Post by PantherB on Apr 3, 2018 18:28:56 GMT
Surprised about Philips having so many points, I feel he's been pure trash since about December.
Derlago has grown on me a lot since the new year though.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 3, 2018 18:41:23 GMT
Surprised about Philips having so many points, I feel he's been pure trash since about December. Derlago has grown on me a lot since the new year though. In that you are only as good as your last game, Derlago was excellent and Philips double shifted most of the 3rd. Number one back has to be Perlini. Genuine good import quality Brit. No matter what he wants pay him.
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Post by PantherB on Apr 3, 2018 19:18:09 GMT
Surprised about Philips having so many points, I feel he's been pure trash since about December. Derlago has grown on me a lot since the new year though. In that you are only as good as your last game, Derlago was excellent and Philips double shifted most of the 3rd. Number one back has to be Perlini. Genuine good import quality Brit. No matter what he wants pay him. Absolutely regarding Perlini, that British status makes him the hottest property in the league in my opinion. If he isn't one of the first re-signings I'll be disappointed so hopefully this coach is appointed sooner rather than later.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 3, 2018 20:31:18 GMT
Shouldn't matter about the coach in terms of Brits really, most of them anyway. Some signings are just really obvious, even for Gary.
Given we've got loadsamoney from the building society there's no excuse for being out paid by anyone.
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Post by wilx on Apr 4, 2018 11:26:15 GMT
Wasn't Laurence on a 2 year uni deal when we gassed him the 1st time? If so Coventry and Sheffield also gassed him too while at Uni? Surely when we take on these Uni players, we say... well you have to perform
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 7, 2018 20:16:54 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Apr 7, 2018 21:14:20 GMT
Wasn't Laurence on a 2 year uni deal when we gassed him the 1st time? If so Coventry and Sheffield also gassed him too while at Uni? Surely when we take on these Uni players, we say... well you have to perform Don't think he was on one of our uni deals, although Coventry put him on one. Dunno what happened with that when they inevitably got rid. Shouldn't give a uni contract to a first year guy, especially a netminder.
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