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Post by PantherB on Feb 19, 2018 19:21:12 GMT
Easier to have a dedicated topic for discussion about who we would like back, and why etc..
Contracted for next season;
Garnett
Farmer
Who I'd want joining them (Full Time);
Gospel
Lachowicz
Betteridge
Lee
Tetlow
Perlini
Clarke
Brown
Mosey
Sauve
Gagnon
Pither
Mokshantsev - Unlikely.
Maybe's;
Lindhagen
Billingsley
Galbraith - Only if content with sharing starting duties.
Derlago
Not re-sign;
Phillips
Bussieres
Spang
Vaskivuo - Unless he returns from injury and catches fire, earns a spot.
Two-way's;
Hazeldine
Kelsall
1 or 2 others
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 19, 2018 20:35:51 GMT
Pretty much agree with that. Only thing i would change would be Galbraith to a definite yes. Thought about maybe looking to replace Clarke just looking whose around theres not choice. Only real possibilities would be Luke Ferrara or Lewis Hook. Derlago would have to produce a lot more if he was to return. Need more points from your top liners. Phillips seems to be someone who doesn't know how to make the most of the talent he has. From being a number 1 draft pick he looks like he hasn't cut it wherever he's been. Bussieres has been one of the biggest wastes of an import slot i've seen. When he was described as a rough and tumble power forward when he signed i was expecting a Leigh Salters kind of player, but he ponderously slow, not much skill, doesn't throw his big body nearly as much as he should and he can't his a cows a**e with a banjo. Bit early to say with Vaskivuo. Thought he looked very good against Cardiff and his assist for the Pither goal was fantastic. Pither is the guy i really want to see back though. Been very impressed with him since he arrived
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Post by Robbie Nud on Feb 19, 2018 20:55:27 GMT
From the OP, I'd go no to Lee (there is better out there) and Clarke (unless he accepts that he not a first line player now and should accept being on the 3td or fourth line).
Undecided on Sauve, too many times goes missing in games.
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Post by harvey on Feb 19, 2018 22:04:00 GMT
For me, wouldn't change alot...easy to forget this group competed well with best teams in Europe.
I'd add a quick puck moving defenceman or two and encourage them to join the rush when possible.
Our tendency to consistently take bad penalties for me would be something I'd concentrate on.
I'd also consider moving Gagnon when possible to the wing to create some havoc and increase our physical presence upfront.
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Post by Walitzer on Feb 20, 2018 8:55:45 GMT
I'd go no to Lee (there is better out there) Can you point to a better British defense-man than Lee? Ben O'Connor would be the only comparable skill-level IMO and they play a completely different roles within their teams. I was very critical of Lee last year, but this has been a pretty good season for him. A return to his former-self somewhat, playing a simple physical game, I think he should even be getting his own save percentage on Elite Prospects with the amount of shots he blocks. Say what you want regarding the effectiveness of his captaincy, I definitely wouldn't say his leadership is a particularly noticeable presence on the ice, but he is a solid British player and it would be a tragedy to see him leave to another EIHL team. |
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Post by wgray on Feb 20, 2018 10:07:33 GMT
Playing coach for 10 minutes I’d go with this:
Import Import Mosey
Derlago Pither Import
Mokshantsev Perlini Brown
Farmer Lacho Betteridge
Kelsall
Import Import
Sauve Lee
Gagnon Billingsley
Tetlow/Hazeldine
Garnett
Galbraith
Gospel
Our goaltending situation is the best in the league, I’d want to keep that as it is.
Sauve, Lee, Gagnon and Billingsley have all been good players for us this season and they are good foundations to add to.
Again the forwards I’ve listed are a good core to build upon.
Derlago and Pither have some great chemistry and would be great as secondary scorers.
Mosey is Mosey.
Mokshantsev can provide you the magic to win games without being the go to guy.
Brown is a solid two way player, plays all roles, gives everything on the ice.
Farmer, who has dissapointed of late, is vital due to his ability and speed.
Lacho and Ollie provide energy and good two way ability.
Perlini is the biggest re-signing of the summer, British, quality and a go to guy.
Non-returnees
Spang - a reliable player but I don’t feel he excels in any areas.
Lindhagen - again a reliable player but as a forward I don’t think he provides enough offence.
Phillips - Undoubtedly got the talent but the application and consistency is an issue especially if you are trying to rely on him as a go to playmaker.
Bussieres - a bit of a rough season in terms of production after impressing to begin with, not the greatest of shooters and his skills could have been applied better by Neilson but I think he will be looking for a fresh start.
Clarke - I think it’s time for him to move behind the bench as assistant and fill in when desperate.
Maybe
Vaskivou - Flashes of quality, more time required before making a judgement but a positive start.
A bit long winded but that’s what I’d do. One thing to remember though is if we get a coach who hasn’t seen this group we will more than likely see a lot of new faces, which I feel will be a step back. League titles are won by building on and improving the group of players you have.
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 20, 2018 10:15:25 GMT
Mosey certainly isn't a top liner, great he has speed but rarely anything comes of it. He doesn't put up top line points. He's no playmaker and certainly no sniper
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Post by wgray on Feb 20, 2018 10:23:15 GMT
Mosey certainly isn't a top liner, great he has speed but rarely anything comes of it. He doesn't put up top line points. He's no playmaker and certainly no sniper Do you think he’d suite second line with Derlago and Pither? The reason I put him first line is because we’ve seen what he can do with the right players, in 15/16 Mosey, Moran and Kolnik was our go to line, if we could create that sort of dynamic again I thought he might have more success. |
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Post by jdizpt8 on Feb 20, 2018 11:27:17 GMT
Be interesting to see what the new coach thinks of our current roster and to see if he had them all back how they would perform through the league campaign.
Imports only as I feel we’ve got a decent brit set up (Clarke behind the bench as assistant coach/ injury cover)
Personally I’d keep
Galbraith - Starter
Garnett
Sauve
Gagnon
Billingsley
Derlago
Pither
Phillips
Mokshantev
Brown
I feel the rest can be upgraded on. We also need a bang bang line to #BringBackCam
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 11:44:26 GMT
Garnett Galbraith Gospel Our goaltending situation is the best in the league, I’d want to keep that as it is. Whilst this would be great, it won't happen. Garnett and Gospel would still be great. |
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Post by wgray on Feb 20, 2018 12:40:34 GMT
Garnett Galbraith Gospel Our goaltending situation is the best in the league, I’d want to keep that as it is. Whilst this would be great, it won't happen. Garnett and Gospel would still be great. I like Garnett but I can’t bare the thought of letting Galbraith go, I think he’s the better goalie (he is statistically too). I hope the club can continue their good initiative and keep them both. |
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Post by wgray on Feb 20, 2018 12:42:45 GMT
Be interesting to see what the new coach thinks of our current roster and to see if he had them all back how they would perform through the league campaign. Imports only as I feel we’ve got a decent brit set up (Clarke behind the bench as assistant coach/ injury cover) Personally I’d keep Galbraith - Starter Garnett Sauve Gagnon Billingsley Derlago Pither Phillips Mokshantev Brown I feel the rest can be upgraded on. We also need a bang bang line to #BringBackCam Would you not have Mosey back? Or are you covering him with the Brits? (Same with Perlini)? |
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Post by jd on Feb 20, 2018 13:12:00 GMT
3 netties
Billingsly, Gagnon, Sauve, Tetlow and Lee
Pither, Brown, Lindy and the brits
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 20, 2018 13:13:16 GMT
Mosey certainly isn't a top liner, great he has speed but rarely anything comes of it. He doesn't put up top line points. He's no playmaker and certainly no sniper Do you think he’d suite second line with Derlago and Pither? The reason I put him first line is because we’ve seen what he can do with the right players, in 15/16 Mosey, Moran and Kolnik was our go to line, if we could create that sort of dynamic again I thought he might have more success. personally I wouldn't have him back, I'd prefer the money to be spent on a kolnik or Jason Williams, someone with experience, we've lacked that this year imo. He's rumoured to be our top earner too, if that's true you want more than a 2nd/3rd line 2 way forward as a top earner if you want to be competing for the league |
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Post by jdizpt8 on Feb 20, 2018 13:14:30 GMT
Be interesting to see what the new coach thinks of our current roster and to see if he had them all back how they would perform through the league campaign. Imports only as I feel we’ve got a decent brit set up (Clarke behind the bench as assistant coach/ injury cover) Personally I’d keep Galbraith - Starter Garnett Sauve Gagnon Billingsley Derlago Pither Phillips Mokshantev Brown I feel the rest can be upgraded on. We also need a bang bang line to #BringBackCam Would you not have Mosey back? Or are you covering him with the Brits? (Same with Perlini)? They were under the brit umbrella for me |
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Post by jdizpt8 on Feb 20, 2018 13:15:06 GMT
Be interesting to see what the new coach thinks of our current roster and to see if he had them all back how they would perform through the league campaign. Imports only as I feel we’ve got a decent brit set up (Clarke behind the bench as assistant coach/ injury cover) Personally I’d keep Galbraith - Starter Garnett Sauve Gagnon Billingsley Derlago Pither Phillips Mokshantev Brown I feel the rest can be upgraded on. We also need a bang bang line to #BringBackCam Would you not have Mosey back? Or are you covering him with the Brits? (Same with Perlini)? They were under the brit umbrella for me |
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Post by wgray on Feb 20, 2018 14:36:23 GMT
Do you think he’d suite second line with Derlago and Pither? The reason I put him first line is because we’ve seen what he can do with the right players, in 15/16 Mosey, Moran and Kolnik was our go to line, if we could create that sort of dynamic again I thought he might have more success. personally I wouldn't have him back, I'd prefer the money to be spent on a kolnik or Jason Williams, someone with experience, we've lacked that this year imo. He's rumoured to be our top earner too, if that's true you want more than a 2nd/3rd line 2 way forward as a top earner if you want to be competing for the league If that’s true then there’s a very strange decision by the club. Like you say your biggest earner should be the guy that you want to lead the charge, I don’t think even the fans expected that from Mosey. The club dropped the ball big time when they let Kolnik go. |
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 20, 2018 15:09:38 GMT
100% kolnik was a real sniper but had much more than just goals to his game.
Heard rumours of mosey going to Cardiff in the summer as he only came back to Nottingham as he'd promised Corey. Cardiff had offered him more money last summer
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Post by Walitzer on Feb 20, 2018 16:09:14 GMT
100% kolnik was a real sniper but had much more than just goals to his game. Heard rumours of mosey going to Cardiff in the summer as he only came back to Nottingham as he'd promised Corey. Cardiff had offered him more money last summer The second part of that rumour was confirmed to my understanding, Mosey giving Corey first refusal, though to say it was the "only" reason is a bit harsh on the adoration this fan base has shown for Mosey and the great memories he no doubt has with the club. If the incentive to move is purely financial, then I find it very hard to believe Nottingham would refuse to match offers and allow their fan favorite to be poached by their biggest competition. It would be utterly embarrassing for the club and really confirm the penny-pinching image many hold of the Panthers management. |
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 20, 2018 19:31:00 GMT
100% kolnik was a real sniper but had much more than just goals to his game. Heard rumours of mosey going to Cardiff in the summer as he only came back to Nottingham as he'd promised Corey. Cardiff had offered him more money last summer The second part of that rumour was confirmed to my understanding, Mosey giving Corey first refusal, though to say it was the "only" reason is a bit harsh on the adoration this fan base has shown for Mosey and the great memories he no doubt has with the club. If the incentive to move is purely financial, then I find it very hard to believe Nottingham would refuse to match offers and allow their fan favorite to be poached by their biggest competition. It would be utterly embarrassing for the club and really confirm the penny-pinching image many hold of the Panthers management. I doubt the only attraction is money, players all like to win, they're in the challenge cup final, top of the league and will the playing in the chl again next season. And sorry to be a soon merchant, but do you really think being a fan favourite has any sentimental value or influence or a career decision? It's a short career , they follow money first and foremost like we all day at work. |
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Post by DJP on Feb 20, 2018 22:55:24 GMT
It's interesting that Mosey's injury absences have coincided with two poor runs for the team. Of the 14 games he's missed, we won 2 and lost 12 (League: W2 L10). Our overall League/CC record is GP 52 W28 L24 but, with Mosey, it's GP38 W26 L12.
The first time he returned, we went on a four-game winning streak. This weekend, after his second return, we won both games.
I just feel that his extra speed, though not necessarily reflected in his points tally (GP 38, 14+15=29), gives us a cutting edge that creates more space and more opportunities for other players; opposing defencemen often find it hard to handle. His return has given us a boost on both occasions.
I'm not saying that this "Mosey effect" is a definitive one - it's fair to point out that part of his first (nine-game) spell out coincided with a six-game absence for Galbraith and that, during his second (five-game) absence, Spang was also missing - but it's a significant-looking correlation.
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Post by iginla on Feb 20, 2018 23:45:10 GMT
It's interesting that Mosey's injury absences have coincided with two poor runs for the team. Of the 14 games he's missed, we won 2 and lost 12 (League: W2 L10). Our overall League/CC record is GP 52 W28 L24 but, with Mosey, it's GP38 W26 L12. The first time he returned, we went on a four-game winning streak. This weekend, after his second return, we won both games. I just feel that his extra speed, though not necessarily reflected in his points tally (GP 38, 14+15=29), gives us a cutting edge that creates more space and more opportunities for other players; opposing defencemen often find it hard to handle. His return has given us a boost on both occasions. I'm not saying that this "Mosey effect" is a definitive one - it's fair to point out that part of his first (nine-game) spell out coincided with a six-game absence for Galbraith and that, during his second (five-game) absence, Spang was also missing - but it's a significant-looking correlation. You may have a point about Mosey yes. But this years team is just not good enough to play short on numbers and win consistently. Which is why we should have signed at least one spare import skater. |
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 21, 2018 9:35:50 GMT
It's interesting that Mosey's injury absences have coincided with two poor runs for the team. Of the 14 games he's missed, we won 2 and lost 12 (League: W2 L10). Our overall League/CC record is GP 52 W28 L24 but, with Mosey, it's GP38 W26 L12. The first time he returned, we went on a four-game winning streak. This weekend, after his second return, we won both games. I just feel that his extra speed, though not necessarily reflected in his points tally (GP 38, 14+15=29), gives us a cutting edge that creates more space and more opportunities for other players; opposing defencemen often find it hard to handle. His return has given us a boost on both occasions. I'm not saying that this "Mosey effect" is a definitive one - it's fair to point out that part of his first (nine-game) spell out coincided with a six-game absence for Galbraith and that, during his second (five-game) absence, Spang was also missing - but it's a significant-looking correlation. You may have a point about Mosey yes. But this years team is just not good enough to play short on numbers and win consistently. Which is why we should have signed at least one spare import skater. We should always have at least 1 spare import skater. |
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Post by fishman on Feb 21, 2018 10:22:14 GMT
Why should Panthers keep players that have not performed or gone missing for long periods, unless everything is CN fault.
Whats the problem with Farmer, nothing in his last 5 games, had a few points 20/21 January anybody know?
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Post by wgray on Feb 21, 2018 11:18:31 GMT
Why should Panthers keep players that have not performed or gone missing for long periods, unless everything is CN fault. Whats the problem with Farmer, nothing in his last 5 games, had a few points 20/21 January anybody know? If you’re going to win a league title I think you’ve got to add additions to the core of your best players. Look what Cardiff have done over the last three seasons, they’ve retained Bowns, Hotham, Haddad, Martin etc. and they now look set to win the league again. It’s the same thing we did leading up to our grand slam season. It’s highly unlikely that you can scrap a team, start from scratch and win a league title. |
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