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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 18:58:38 GMT
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Post by deke on Feb 24, 2018 19:05:08 GMT
Oh great another person saying why they are a better fan than other people. Makes a refreshing change. Hop off that high horse of yours before you hurt yourself. Accept other people have different opinions and move on. I'm hopeful for young brits we are starting to make good moves in this area let's see what effect it has.
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Post by simonm on Feb 24, 2018 19:50:03 GMT
Ok then.... Name these young Brits, they're off a Nottingham development system I take it.
WE can't hold up a system that takes from others.
I'm on a high horse because I'm not talking from ignorance.... Listening to ignorant people for years telling me how wonderful the Panthers management are and how the club is developing young talent has got very boring.....
And turned out to be not true.
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Post by iginla on Feb 24, 2018 20:37:27 GMT
Ok then.... Name these young Brits, they're off a Nottingham development system I take it. WE can't hold up a system that takes from others. I'm on a high horse because I'm not talking from ignorance.... Listening to ignorant people for years telling me how wonderful the Panthers management are and how the club is developing young talent has got very boring..... And turned out to be not true. We do actually have a lot of junior teams in Nottingham to be fair. But it seems to be when they get to about 16 that the wheels fall off. Agree with you about people spouting about Neilson being brilliant at nurturing young Brits.......errrr like who ? Lacho,Betteridge to an extent so far and that's the lot. There have been loads of others who have warmed the bench for a little while though and then just vanished !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 20:55:44 GMT
Ok then.... Name these young Brits, they're off a Nottingham development system I take it. WE can't hold up a system that takes from others. I'm on a high horse because I'm not talking from ignorance.... Listening to ignorant people for years telling me how wonderful the Panthers management are and how the club is developing young talent has got very boring..... And turned out to be not true. We do actually have a lot of junior teams in Nottingham to be fair. But it seems to be when they get to about 16 that the wheels fall off. Agree with you about people spouting about Neilson being brilliant at nurturing young Brits.......errrr like who ? Lacho,Betteridge to an extent so far and that's the lot. There have been loads of others who have warmed the bench for a little while though and then just vanished ! Neilson being good for the brits is just a myth
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Post by iginla on Feb 24, 2018 21:05:21 GMT
We do actually have a lot of junior teams in Nottingham to be fair. But it seems to be when they get to about 16 that the wheels fall off. Agree with you about people spouting about Neilson being brilliant at nurturing young Brits.......errrr like who ? Lacho,Betteridge to an extent so far and that's the lot. There have been loads of others who have warmed the bench for a little while though and then just vanished ! Neilson being good for the brits is just a myth I agree mate. Look at this years crop of young Brits,they've hardly got on the ice all season. Yes Tetlow has done the last couple of games,after Neilson got sacked and there's nowt to play for.......strange that eh ! 🙄
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Post by panthersnation on Feb 25, 2018 10:40:35 GMT
Keep Gospel Lachowicz Farmer - under contract Garnett - under contract Tetlow Perlini Clarke Brown Derlago Sauve Gagnon Pither Gas Lee Ollie Kelsall Phillips Lindhargen Bussieres mok Spang Unsure Billingsley Galbraith Mosey Vaskivuo Almost the same as my thoughts but get rid of Ollie? I hope that was a typo! nope no typo, yes he works hard but other than offers very little. you could pick up anther brit e.g luke ferrera from cov for round about the same cash
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Post by panthersnation on Feb 25, 2018 10:44:42 GMT
Keep Gospel Lachowicz Farmer - under contract Garnett - under contract Tetlow Perlini Clarke Brown Derlago Sauve Gagnon Pither Gas Lee Ollie Kelsall Phillips Lindhargen Bussieres mok Spang Unsure Billingsley Galbraith Mosey Vaskivuo Why would you get rid of Lee, Ollie or Kelsall? Kelsall has hardly played a game, largely thanks to his season ending injury. Keep him on a 2-way contract, out of the main roster but training with the Panthers to develop! Ollie is one of, if not the best British PK'er in the EIHL, he is tireless, aggressive on the forecheck and only 22. He has also consistently improved year on year during his time with the Panthers. To gas him now would be madness. He's never going to be our top scorer, his finishing is not there, but he grinds out games and wears opponents down with his energy. He plays a 4th line role well and I'd much rather he play that role and allow us to bring in another import sniper or playmaker to boost the scoring lines! I've already given my piece on Lee earlier in the thread, but I'd hate to see him elsewhere. Lee not good enough too comfortable in his role the league has improved he has not. kesall plain and simple not going to big enough to play eihl level ollie best brit penalty killer? what game do you watch? hes only started playing the role this year, if he was the best he would also play 5 on 3 he does not. lacho is our best brit penalty kiler
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Post by simonm on Feb 25, 2018 13:11:54 GMT
I'd like to review this statement.
"Whats the problem with Farmer, nothing in his last 5 games, had a few points 20/21 January anybody know?"
On the understanding that forwards score goals, so do defencemen... But should a forward be judged only on his points scoring ?
There was a time when Panthers supporters were called the most knowledgeable in the league. But statements like the above make me question if that's still true.
Farmer is the type of play that is pain in the bum to opposition players by getting in their faces, being aggressive on the boards. From these actions he gets us power plays and opportunities for snippers to score goals. If these goals aren't scored his points tally will reflect it. We cannot judge a player by a single dimension of his play, as there's more to it than that.
Not every player is a goal scorer, a team needs a good mix of types to be successful.
And I suggest Farmer is the best at his role.
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Post by bobness on Feb 25, 2018 13:44:27 GMT
lacho is our best brit penalty kiler No Panthers player has been on the ice for more PP goals conceded than Lachowicz this season. How would you define “ best penalty killer”? I don’t think you can objectively do it without ice time stats. I’d say it would be the player with the biggest ratio of PK ice time to goals conceded while killing a penalty.
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Post by wgray on Feb 25, 2018 14:26:17 GMT
lacho is our best brit penalty kiler No Panthers player has been on the ice for more PP goals conceded than Lachowicz this season. How would you define “ best penalty killer”? I don’t think you can objectively do it without ice time stats. I’d say it would be the player with the biggest ratio of PK ice time to goals conceded while killing a penalty. In terms of forwards on the PK you’d have to look at total shots blocked and interceptions I’d say. It’s hard to justify opinions when there are hardly any stats available to fans in the EIHL, I’m still waiting for the day that they can get the correct point scorers from one game to the next!
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Post by simonm on Feb 25, 2018 14:55:51 GMT
I agree simply using goals against gives a false image.
using goals conceded makes my mother the best PK player as she's not conceded any goals.
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Post by bobness on Feb 25, 2018 18:47:30 GMT
I agree simply using goals against gives a false image. using goals conceded makes my mother the best PK player as she's not conceded any goals. Could do with her using Sauve's spot next Friday then...
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 25, 2018 23:10:17 GMT
Why would you get rid of Lee, Ollie or Kelsall? Kelsall has hardly played a game, largely thanks to his season ending injury. Keep him on a 2-way contract, out of the main roster but training with the Panthers to develop! Ollie is one of, if not the best British PK'er in the EIHL, he is tireless, aggressive on the forecheck and only 22. He has also consistently improved year on year during his time with the Panthers. To gas him now would be madness. He's never going to be our top scorer, his finishing is not there, but he grinds out games and wears opponents down with his energy. He plays a 4th line role well and I'd much rather he play that role and allow us to bring in another import sniper or playmaker to boost the scoring lines! I've already given my piece on Lee earlier in the thread, but I'd hate to see him elsewhere. Lee not good enough too comfortable in his role the league has improved he has not. kesall plain and simple not going to big enough to play eihl level ollie best brit penalty killer? what game do you watch? hes only started playing the role this year, if he was the best he would also play 5 on 3 he does not. lacho is our best brit penalty kiler I think Ollie is great on the PK personally, and the reason the doesn't play 5v3 PK is because he doesn't play centre, have you ever seen him take a faceoff?
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Post by Yotes on Feb 25, 2018 23:13:57 GMT
I agree simply using goals against gives a false image. using goals conceded makes my mother the best PK player as she's not conceded any goals. Could do with her using Sauve's spot next Friday then... She got 10/10 for tea making too, as I recall. Sign her up.
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Post by simonm on Feb 26, 2018 0:08:18 GMT
Well I can tell you for a fact despite her inability to skate the Panthers management have not contacted me (her angent @ 50%, she is my mother after all) not once.... If that's not incompetent I don't know what is!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 9:16:21 GMT
We do actually have a lot of junior teams in Nottingham to be fair. But it seems to be when they get to about 16 that the wheels fall off. Agree with you about people spouting about Neilson being brilliant at nurturing young Brits.......errrr like who ? Lacho,Betteridge to an extent so far and that's the lot. There have been loads of others who have warmed the bench for a little while though and then just vanished ! Neilson being good for the brits is just a myth I know you're not Corey's biggest fan Pidge, but I think that's being a bit unfair. We've seen numerous Brits perform under Corey, albeit not so much this season but if you look at Corey's time in charge of Panthers as a whole, I don't think you can say it's just a myth. If I remember rightly, when Paul Swindlehurst joined us a few years ago, he said one of the attractions to Nottingham was working with Corey after seeing how he's developed Brits. I'm not sure where things broke down with Swindlehurst as I quite liked him on defence, but nevertheless there is a feeling amongst the players that Corey is good in this regard.
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Post by iginla on Feb 26, 2018 11:02:24 GMT
Neilson being good for the brits is just a myth I know you're not Corey's biggest fan Pidge, but I think that's being a bit unfair. We've seen numerous Brits perform under Corey, albeit not so much this season but if you look at Corey's time in charge of Panthers as a whole, I don't think you can say it's just a myth. If I remember rightly, when Paul Swindlehurst joined us a few years ago, he said one of the attractions to Nottingham was working with Corey after seeing how he's developed Brits. I'm not sure where things broke down with Swindlehurst as I quite liked him on defence, but nevertheless there is a feeling amongst the players that Corey is good in this regard. You picked the wrong player there mate. If you think Corey was good for him,you need to ask Paul Swindlehurst his opinion ! 😉
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Post by texpef on Feb 26, 2018 12:32:07 GMT
Was CN responsible for turning Richardson now at Cardiff into a D man? Seems his modus to turn players into something else although it could be argued this was a good thing for Richardson, I'm not CN biggest fan either but in this respect there is a fairly good number of brits who appear to have thrived under him none of which i can remember at this moment in time.
To my mind its always been a dodgy defence from the imports (which you would think unusual coming from a defenceman himself) that has let the panthers down because with "sexy Neilsen Hockey" scoring historically hasnt been a problem its keeping goals down which has been the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 12:55:58 GMT
I know you're not Corey's biggest fan Pidge, but I think that's being a bit unfair. We've seen numerous Brits perform under Corey, albeit not so much this season but if you look at Corey's time in charge of Panthers as a whole, I don't think you can say it's just a myth. If I remember rightly, when Paul Swindlehurst joined us a few years ago, he said one of the attractions to Nottingham was working with Corey after seeing how he's developed Brits. I'm not sure where things broke down with Swindlehurst as I quite liked him on defence, but nevertheless there is a feeling amongst the players that Corey is good in this regard. You picked the wrong player there mate. If you think Corey was good for him,you need to ask Paul Swindlehurst his opinion ! 😉 Oh don't get me wrong, I'm gutted we let Swindlehurst go, and fully understand why he wanted to go, but the point I was making was his initial comments when he first joined.
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 26, 2018 13:07:48 GMT
You picked the wrong player there mate. If you think Corey was good for him,you need to ask Paul Swindlehurst his opinion ! 😉 Oh don't get me wrong, I'm gutted we let Swindlehurst go, and fully understand why he wanted to go, but the point I was making was his initial comments when he first joined. Wasn’t there the opinion at the time that Swindlehurst had a poor attitude and that’s why things broke down. I know Corey has many faults but he can’t be blamed for everything
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Post by wgray on Feb 26, 2018 13:22:02 GMT
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm gutted we let Swindlehurst go, and fully understand why he wanted to go, but the point I was making was his initial comments when he first joined. Wasn’t there the opinion at the time that Swindlehurst had a poor attitude and that’s why things broke down. I know Corey has many faults but he can’t be blamed for everything In terms of on ice he was very indisciplined I seem to recall, gave away no end of minor penalties, behind the scenes though who knows?
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Post by EMB on Feb 26, 2018 14:56:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 15:49:38 GMT
Keep Gospel Lachowicz Farmer - under contract Garnett - under contract Tetlow Perlini Clarke Brown Derlago Sauve Gagnon Pither Gas Lee Ollie Kelsall Phillips Lindhargen Bussieres mok Spang Unsure Billingsley Galbraith Mosey Vaskivuo Sauve is under contract aswell apparently Oh dear, another season of dumb penalties!
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Post by panthersnation on Feb 27, 2018 16:29:11 GMT
Lee not good enough too comfortable in his role the league has improved he has not. kesall plain and simple not going to big enough to play eihl level ollie best brit penalty killer? what game do you watch? hes only started playing the role this year, if he was the best he would also play 5 on 3 he does not. lacho is our best brit penalty kiler I think Ollie is great on the PK personally, and the reason the doesn't play 5v3 PK is because he doesn't play centre, have you ever seen him take a faceoff? lacho has played 5 on 3 for years but on last year started playing centre so that theory don't work.
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