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Post by jd on Oct 29, 2022 21:21:26 GMT
Half his time? Are you his pa? You got a tracking device on him? If you came to a game in Nottingham you’d see how much stuff has changed. Either way GG needs to go All Pacha’s changed is media,general off ice and game night glitzy stuff. I don’t care a jot what’s on the jumbotron or whether I can throw a puck at centre ice etc. The two important things of on ice team performance and increasing crowd figures are so far showing no improvement whatsoever and if anything have both dropped. So he’s done more than the media side then lol. He’s improved many areas of the club in a short time. Some fans do care about the jumbotron and the chuck a puck. Whether you like it or not. Agree with the on ice stuff, but you can’t say he’s not done a lot. He needs to get rid of GG. It’s clearly not working
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 29, 2022 21:21:36 GMT
Genuine question. How much is not having an assistant coach costing GG and the Panthers? Is GG able to work to his full capacity without help? I don’t think it costs them at all. A decent coach should know himself what to do and how to get it. If he does need another pair of eyes then he’s got Pacha. You say plenty I agree with, you say some stuff I dont. Then you sometimes, like this say stuff that is just plain stupid. Of course it makes a difference.
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Post by jd on Oct 29, 2022 21:22:52 GMT
Genuine question. How much is not having an assistant coach costing GG and the Panthers? Is GG able to work to his full capacity without help? I don’t think it costs them at all. A decent coach should know himself what to do and how to get it. If he does need another pair of eyes then he’s got Pacha. Should get rid of all the assistant coaches at every club then?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 21:34:28 GMT
I don’t think it costs them at all. A decent coach should know himself what to do and how to get it. If he does need another pair of eyes then he’s got Pacha. You say plenty I agree with, you say some stuff I dont. Then you sometimes, like this say stuff that is just plain stupid. Of course it makes a difference. Exactly what a dumb comment that was 🤦
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Post by iginla on Oct 29, 2022 21:42:34 GMT
You say plenty I agree with, you say some stuff I dont. Then you sometimes, like this say stuff that is just plain stupid. Of course it makes a difference. Exactly what a dumb comment that was 🤦 Tell me exactly what an assistant coach does that either Pacha or a Welsh/Caruso couldn’t do. Corey had an assistant coach for years and he didn’t listen to him !
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Post by jd on Oct 29, 2022 21:52:55 GMT
Exactly what a dumb comment that was 🤦 Tell me exactly what an assistant coach does that either Pacha or a Welsh/Caruso couldn’t do. Corey had an assistant coach for years and he didn’t listen to him ! You’re gold tonight Iggy! Wonder why the club haven’t come back to you lol
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Post by spik on Oct 29, 2022 22:00:33 GMT
On games when individuals score/get points rather than the big boys of he club. I tend to worry as those expected don't seem to come to the fore. Hence? Matthew Myers is now our top points scorer in the league*. Nothing against him as he is doing his part.
* sorry, all games combined
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Post by iginla on Oct 29, 2022 22:02:50 GMT
Tell me exactly what an assistant coach does that either Pacha or a Welsh/Caruso couldn’t do. Corey had an assistant coach for years and he didn’t listen to him ! You’re gold tonight Iggy! Wonder why the club haven’t come back to you lol I know I’m on fire. Still waiting for Pidge to tell me exactly what an assistant coach does. Can’t wait. 🤣🤣
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Post by Yotes on Oct 29, 2022 22:18:40 GMT
2 minds being better than 1 I would think is the main thing. New, different ideas. It gives GG someone in there with him. Maybe it could be someone who has a specialism in something we lack (which doesn't narrow the field tbh)?
It's not even for debate I don't think. Of course we should have an assistant coach. A proper one too, not just some dude who's around the club and will do it. Spend some money Black.
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Post by jd on Oct 29, 2022 22:23:43 GMT
You’re gold tonight Iggy! Wonder why the club haven’t come back to you lol I know I’m on fire. Still waiting for Pidge to tell me exactly what an assistant coach does. Can’t wait. 🤣🤣 The fact you want someone to tell you what they do and then you’ll pull it apart, say they’re a waste of time, not listened to and say they’re not needed might be the reason no one has so far replied to you. Get rid of every assistant coach then? That what you think should happen?
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Post by iginla on Oct 29, 2022 22:40:28 GMT
I know I’m on fire. Still waiting for Pidge to tell me exactly what an assistant coach does. Can’t wait. 🤣🤣 The fact you want someone to tell you what they do and then you’ll pull it apart, say they’re a waste of time, not listened to and say they’re not needed might be the reason no one has so far replied to you. Get rid of every assistant coach then? That what you think should happen? My own opinion is I would spend the money on better players rather than an assistant coach. We had a Director of Hockey once and look what a waste of time that was ! All an assistant coach does is give his thoughts which is exactly the same thing either Pacha or any one of several experienced players could do. It is then up to the coach whether he listens but in my opinion a head coach shouldn’t need some more junior guy to show him the ropes. You may disagree and that’s your prerogative.
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Post by mmmbop on Oct 29, 2022 22:47:50 GMT
Good seats still available folks That's as original as the panthers performances these days... And was churned out by someone not around anymore Whoosh. There it flys over your head
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Post by jd on Oct 29, 2022 22:52:08 GMT
The fact you want someone to tell you what they do and then you’ll pull it apart, say they’re a waste of time, not listened to and say they’re not needed might be the reason no one has so far replied to you. Get rid of every assistant coach then? That what you think should happen? My own opinion is I would spend the money on better players rather than an assistant coach. We had a Director of Hockey once and look what a waste of time that was ! All an assistant coach does is give his thoughts which is exactly the same thing either Pacha or any one of several experienced players could do. It is then up to the coach whether he listens but in my opinion a head coach shouldn’t need some more junior guy to show him the ropes. You may disagree and that’s your prerogative. Yep, totally disagree. And so does pretty much every sports team in the world, crazy that eh. So you now know what an assistant coach thinks and says. Seriously?! You don’t half comment a lot for an ex fan lol Anyway, no point in having this take up the thread, sorry that it has already mods.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 29, 2022 23:06:55 GMT
Well here's the goals:
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Post by iginla on Oct 29, 2022 23:11:16 GMT
My own opinion is I would spend the money on better players rather than an assistant coach. We had a Director of Hockey once and look what a waste of time that was ! All an assistant coach does is give his thoughts which is exactly the same thing either Pacha or any one of several experienced players could do. It is then up to the coach whether he listens but in my opinion a head coach shouldn’t need some more junior guy to show him the ropes. You may disagree and that’s your prerogative. Yep, totally disagree. And so does pretty much every sports team in the world, crazy that eh. So you now know what an assistant coach thinks and says. Seriously?! You don’t half comment a lot for an ex fan lol Anyway, no point in having this take up the thread, sorry that it has already mods. Well you tell me what an assistant coach does other than offer an alternative pair of eyes that a head coach can’t do himself. If GG wanted an assistant I’m sure he’d have one, but from what I’m seeing so far perhaps he’s lived his past hockey glories on the back of his previous assistants because on his own he doesn’t seem able to cut it. And by the way,I didn’t start the thread about assistant coaches !
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 29, 2022 23:12:17 GMT
Exactly what a dumb comment that was 🤦 Tell me exactly what an assistant coach does that either Pacha or a Welsh/Caruso couldn’t do. Corey had an assistant coach for years and he didn’t listen to him ! This seems a bizarre hill to die on. Professional sports organisations will have huge teams of coaches, analysts, nutritionists, physios. The assistant coach is one of these roles. They assist in providing coaching, they offer second opinions, they help the coach enact their vision. Why do you think, for instance, that football managers nearly always try to take their assistants with them when they move on to new jobs? Look at it this way, you can only have 22 people on a gameday roster. You need to maximise the potential of those players. You do that with the highest quality technical coaching you can provide to have them on top of their game, the best physios and fitness coaches possible to have them at peak fitness, data analysts who can give precise data to the head coach to formulate the best possible game plan, psychologists to have people in the best possible headspace, tactical coaches drilling the defence and offence to execute the gameplans the head coach demands.
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Post by iginla on Oct 29, 2022 23:16:41 GMT
Tell me exactly what an assistant coach does that either Pacha or a Welsh/Caruso couldn’t do. Corey had an assistant coach for years and he didn’t listen to him ! This seems a bizarre hill to die on. Professional sports organisations will have huge teams of coaches, analysts, nutritionists, physios. The assistant coach is one of these roles. They assist in providing coaching, they offer second opinions, they help the coach enact their vision. Why do you think, for instance, that football managers nearly always try to take their assistants with them when they move on to new jobs? Look at it this way, you can only have 22 people on a gameday roster. You need to maximise the potential of those players. You do that with the highest quality technical coaching you can provide to have them on top of their game, the best physios and fitness coaches possible to have them at peak fitness, data analysts who can give precise data to the head coach to formulate the best possible game plan, psychologists to have people in the best possible headspace, tactical coaches drilling the defence and offence to execute the gameplans the head coach demands. In big pro sport yes but not in small time backwaters where money is king. There is not a team in the EIHL who has anything close to top notch stuff like some other major sports.
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Post by spik on Oct 29, 2022 23:26:06 GMT
Ding, ding, end of round 5. How many are there in this ding dong? lol Right chaps back to basics like the team need to be at. Anyone know why Berry was not on the bench? And any reason why Berry was not on the Ice even? EDIT: from yotes comment below...Wasn't thinking but could have played Berry instead?
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Post by Yotes on Oct 29, 2022 23:28:39 GMT
Too many imports Mick, 14 max. We've got 16 in total (Lagrone, Berry missed tonight).
Hopkins also a scratch tonight.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 30, 2022 0:18:34 GMT
Ding, ding, end of round 5. How many are there in this ding dong? lol Right chaps back to basics like the team need to be at. Anyone know why Berry was not on the bench? And any reason why Berry was not on the Ice even? EDIT: from yotes comment below...Wasn't thinking but could have played Berry instead? Berry on the surface had a decent run in his 5 games. 4 wins and a loss in those 5. But look at it a bit deeper. 2 wins were against the Clan. The worst start by any team in the EIHL era? 2 wins agaisnt Manchester in the cup. Again, Manchester are a poor side we should expect to beat. The loss was 7 4 against Sheffield. Before the suspention almost everybody was in agreement Dubeau was clearly the better goalie(behaviour aside). Some got a bit excited when we won 3 in a row but look who it was. I'm not sure i've seen a game Berry has started yet without a comment along the lines of "he'd want that one back".
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 9:04:00 GMT
And where’s the GG post game interview ? All the other nine EIHL coaches have fronted up last night, just Graham missing. I imagine he’s trying to think up some more BS, perhaps something like “we need to elevate ourselves” ! 🙄
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 30, 2022 9:50:22 GMT
Genuine question. How much is not having an assistant coach costing GG and the Panthers? Is GG able to work to his full capacity without help? It's a lot easier just sacking one guy
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 30, 2022 10:20:32 GMT
This seems a bizarre hill to die on. Professional sports organisations will have huge teams of coaches, analysts, nutritionists, physios. The assistant coach is one of these roles. They assist in providing coaching, they offer second opinions, they help the coach enact their vision. Why do you think, for instance, that football managers nearly always try to take their assistants with them when they move on to new jobs? Look at it this way, you can only have 22 people on a gameday roster. You need to maximise the potential of those players. You do that with the highest quality technical coaching you can provide to have them on top of their game, the best physios and fitness coaches possible to have them at peak fitness, data analysts who can give precise data to the head coach to formulate the best possible game plan, psychologists to have people in the best possible headspace, tactical coaches drilling the defence and offence to execute the gameplans the head coach demands. In big pro sport yes but not in small time backwaters where money is king. There is not a team in the EIHL who has anything close to top notch stuff like some other major sports. You are so far off in your ideas. For starters in Sheffield the assistant coach (Carter Beston-Will) runs the D on game nights. He’s involved in game planning and tactics. He does a lot of the video work between periods, after games etc. As for the other stuff we’ve got a team of conditioning coaches, after game therapy people etc. Proper meals and drinks after games. No more McDonald’s on the way home. This isn’t Dampier and Blaisdell in the 90’s 🤷♂️
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 10:35:56 GMT
In big pro sport yes but not in small time backwaters where money is king. There is not a team in the EIHL who has anything close to top notch stuff like some other major sports. You are so far off in your ideas. For starters in Sheffield the assistant coach (Carter Beston-Will) runs the D on game nights. He’s involved in game planning and tactics. He does a lot of the video work between periods, after games etc. As for the other stuff we’ve got a team of conditioning coaches, after game therapy people etc. Proper meals and drinks after games. No more McDonald’s on the way home. This isn’t Dampier and Blaisdell in the 90’s 🤷♂️ You are obviously missing the reference to “TOP notch” coaches,analysts and fitness coaches etc. Those sorts are in top leagues in sports,the little old EIHL attracts those who are rather further down the ladder.
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Post by meadow on Oct 30, 2022 10:36:14 GMT
In addition to what others have said about the possible official duties of an assistant, the unofficial aspect is that they are often the 'good cop' role to the head coach. A place where the players can blow off steam about what they're being asked to do, and subsequently a good resource for the head coach to be able to gauge the mood of the dressing room. IMO this is why Corey / Strachan worked - CN was seen as a bit serious and aloof (fairly or unfairly), whereas RS was more approachable and on the same level as the players
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