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Post by blackandgold73 on Nov 1, 2022 16:10:31 GMT
Definitely is a Tory yup š¤£ ...canāt be doing with ... people who love to criticise but have no actual answers themselves. I almost spat my drink š
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 16:34:32 GMT
Thatās not what I asked is it, Cardiff,Sheffield and Belfast probably donāt have to lose on ice budget to pay for their assistant coach. So would you have an assistant coach if it meant less to spend on players ? You've literally just said other teams "probably" don't lose on ice budget to pay for assistant coaches - admitting no knowledge. Now you're asking people would have one if you had to? (Thereby implying knowledge that that's the case for Panthers) Why would you argue any other team had to when you've just said others didn't? - whilst also admitting you don't know if they do? That's asking a question that's heading into Donald Rumsfeld unknown unknowns territory: "There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know." Could this be why it feels you're asking a hypothetical question whose sole function seems to be to try and drive a narrative (by asking about unknown unknowns) that Panthers must be doing something different to other teams. Surely that raised the issue of what is the aim of the question therefore? What is it you're trying to imply by asking the question... Which is like when Boris Johnson said he'd defend statues of Churchill 'to the death' knowing the reaction he'd get, even though literally nobody had suggested removing them. The reaction to his implication was the aim not the reality And I think a lot of people seem to be recognising it Iggy And, besides, are you really sure it's simply not because we're wasting money in other areas? Because that was your last main argument (also without evidence) for why we don't have an assistant: Because Panthers waste money totally in the wrong areas, and employ numpties. Look at Belfastās coaching team and GM,theyāre all hockey men ! So now that ours are all Hockey men you seem to have switched again (not for the first time) to suggesting that instead of it being wasting money in other areas we now don't have an assistant because it would come out of the playing budget (also without evidence). I suspect this must be what it feels like to face a netminder who kicks the net off its moorings any time a puck comes close Aaannnndddd on that note š
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Post by iginla on Nov 1, 2022 17:13:24 GMT
Thatās not what I asked is it, Cardiff,Sheffield and Belfast probably donāt have to lose on ice budget to pay for their assistant coach. So would you have an assistant coach if it meant less to spend on players ? You've literally just said other teams "probably" don't lose on ice budget to pay for assistant coaches - admitting no knowledge. Now you're asking people would have one if you had to? (Thereby implying knowledge that that's the case for Panthers) Why would you argue any other team had to when you've just said others didn't? - whilst also admitting you don't know if they do? That's asking a question that's heading into Donald Rumsfeld unknown unknowns territory: "There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know." Could this be why it feels you're asking a hypothetical question whose sole function seems to be to try and drive a narrative (by asking about unknown unknowns) that Panthers must be doing something different to other teams. Surely that raised the issue of what is the aim of the question therefore? What is it you're trying to imply by asking the question... Which is like when Boris Johnson said he'd defend statues of Churchill 'to the death' knowing the reaction he'd get, even though literally nobody had suggested removing them. The reaction to his implication was the aim not the reality And I think a lot of people seem to be recognising it Iggy And, besides, are you really sure it's simply not because we're wasting money in other areas? Because that was your last main argument (also without evidence) for why we don't have an assistant: Because Panthers waste money totally in the wrong areas, and employ numpties. Look at Belfastās coaching team and GM,theyāre all hockey men ! So now that ours are all Hockey men you seem to have switched again (not for the first time) to suggesting that instead of it being wasting money in other areas we now don't have an assistant because it would come out of the playing budget (also without evidence). I suspect this must be what it feels like to face a netminder who kicks the net off its moorings any time a puck comes close Iām not implying anything,we simply donāt know,we can only surmise and make educated guesses. Iāve always been quite clear and not changed my view at all,Iād have an assistant but not to the detriment of something else. Thatās not changing your mind itās just stating your thoughts. Others meanwhile who have suggested Iāve changed my mind have said they feel we should have one,but when Iāve asked them about four separate times if āthey would have one if it meant a lesser player budgetā they have refused to answer a very simple question. Itās a simple question for somebody who advocated we should have an assistant....āwould they have one if it meant less to spend on playersā ? Yes or no would answer the question !
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Post by iginla on Nov 1, 2022 17:15:38 GMT
...canāt be doing with ... people who love to criticise but have no actual answers themselves. I almost spat my drink š Unlike Labour I always have answers though. š (And if your going to quote somebodyās post then quote it in full donāt take out certain words to suit ! )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 17:33:12 GMT
You've literally just said other teams "probably" don't lose on ice budget to pay for assistant coaches - admitting no knowledge. Now you're asking people would have one if you had to? (Thereby implying knowledge that that's the case for Panthers) Why would you argue any other team had to when you've just said others didn't? - whilst also admitting you don't know if they do? That's asking a question that's heading into Donald Rumsfeld unknown unknowns territory: "There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know." Could this be why it feels you're asking a hypothetical question whose sole function seems to be to try and drive a narrative (by asking about unknown unknowns) that Panthers must be doing something different to other teams. Surely that raised the issue of what is the aim of the question therefore? What is it you're trying to imply by asking the question... Which is like when Boris Johnson said he'd defend statues of Churchill 'to the death' knowing the reaction he'd get, even though literally nobody had suggested removing them. The reaction to his implication was the aim not the reality And I think a lot of people seem to be recognising it Iggy And, besides, are you really sure it's simply not because we're wasting money in other areas? Because that was your last main argument (also without evidence) for why we don't have an assistant: So now that ours are all Hockey men you seem to have switched again (not for the first time) to suggesting that instead of it being wasting money in other areas we now don't have an assistant because it would come out of the playing budget (also without evidence). I suspect this must be what it feels like to face a netminder who kicks the net off its moorings any time a puck comes close Iām not implying anything,we simply donāt know,we can only surmise and make educated guesses. Iāve always been quite clear and not changed my view at all Are you sure Iggy? Anyway my answer is I'd have a assistant behind the bench at any cost because in hockey it's a necessity as things happen quick and GG ain't good enough to spot everything and make all the decisions. He needs help and it's so obvious. There.
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Post by iginla on Nov 1, 2022 18:08:34 GMT
Iām not implying anything,we simply donāt know,we can only surmise and make educated guesses. Iāve always been quite clear and not changed my view at all Are you sure Iggy? Anyway my answer is I'd have a assistant behind the bench at any cost because in hockey it's a necessity as things happen quick and GG ain't good enough to spot everything and make all the decisions. He needs help and it's so obvious. There. Hurray at least somebody answers a straightforward question. (Canāt say I agree with the āat any costā bit though.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 18:13:32 GMT
Are you sure Iggy? Anyway my answer is I'd have a assistant behind the bench at any cost because in hockey it's a necessity as things happen quick and GG ain't good enough to spot everything and make all the decisions. He needs help and it's so obvious. There. Hurray at least somebody answers a straightforward question. (Canāt say I agree with the āat any costā bit though.) Thats because having a assistant coach behind the bench should be a given,...in this league or any league. Thats why I'm staggered you are making this a issue as if assistant coaches ain't that important and a so called luxury.. utter nonsense old boy
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Post by iginla on Nov 1, 2022 18:38:32 GMT
Hurray at least somebody answers a straightforward question. (Canāt say I agree with the āat any costā bit though.) Thats because having a assistant coach behind the bench should be a given,...in this league or any league. Thats why I'm staggered you are making this a issue as if assistant coaches ain't that important and a so called luxury.. utter nonsense old boy It should maybe be a given but Panthers history would seem to indicate it hasnāt made any great difference to them. Theyāve had various assistants or none at times but it hasnāt made any noticeable difference. Iām not making any issue of it, the only issue is that you and JD seem to think Iāve changed my mind when I havnāt. Iād have one as it canāt really do any harm,but I donāt think its vitally important like you do. But I would only have one so long as it didnāt mean compromise financially elsewhere.
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Post by jd on Nov 1, 2022 20:57:00 GMT
Thats because having a assistant coach behind the bench should be a given,...in this league or any league. Thats why I'm staggered you are making this a issue as if assistant coaches ain't that important and a so called luxury.. utter nonsense old boy It should maybe be a given but Panthers history would seem to indicate it hasnāt made any great difference to them. Theyāve had various assistants or none at times but it hasnāt made any noticeable difference. Iām not making any issue of it, the only issue is that you and JD seem to think Iāve changed my mind when I havnāt. Iād have one as it canāt really do any harm,but I donāt think its vitally important like you do. But I would only have one so long as it didnāt mean compromise financially elsewhere. Hasnāt made a difference?! Lol. You obviously have a short memory. Plus we all know how much you hate CN. My point was you kept saying 2 different things and were contradicting yourself. you said any decent coach wouldnāt need one and now youāve said youād have one as it canāt do any harm. I said he needed one and that the job is too much for one person to do. Not sure how much more clearly I could say it.
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Post by iginla on Nov 1, 2022 21:39:58 GMT
It should maybe be a given but Panthers history would seem to indicate it hasnāt made any great difference to them. Theyāve had various assistants or none at times but it hasnāt made any noticeable difference. Iām not making any issue of it, the only issue is that you and JD seem to think Iāve changed my mind when I havnāt. Iād have one as it canāt really do any harm,but I donāt think its vitally important like you do. But I would only have one so long as it didnāt mean compromise financially elsewhere. Hasnāt made a difference?! Lol. You obviously have a short memory. Plus we all know how much you hate CN. My point was you kept saying 2 different things and were contradicting yourself. you said any decent coach wouldnāt need one and now youāve said youād have one as it canāt do any harm. I said he needed one and that the job is too much for one person to do. Not sure how much more clearly I could say it. Not sure how you say it made any difference when Panthers have been crap for years both with or without an assistant coach. But your missing my point,I would only have one for the sake of having one because itās not going to do any harm and could be useful if the head coach was missing for a game or two,but I donāt believe it makes much difference. No way would I have one though if it was taking anything away from my player spending power. In an already fairly low wage league that would be mad to lower your player spending even further. Ok Iāll put you down as youād have an assistant but be happy to maybe spend less on players and leave it at that.
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Post by jd on Nov 1, 2022 22:07:09 GMT
Hasnāt made a difference?! Lol. You obviously have a short memory. Plus we all know how much you hate CN. My point was you kept saying 2 different things and were contradicting yourself. you said any decent coach wouldnāt need one and now youāve said youād have one as it canāt do any harm. I said he needed one and that the job is too much for one person to do. Not sure how much more clearly I could say it. Not sure how you say it made any difference when Panthers have been crap for years both with or without an assistant coach. But your missing my point,I would only have one for the sake of having one because itās not going to do any harm and could be useful if the head coach was missing for a game or two,but I donāt believe it makes much difference. No way would I have one though if it was taking anything away from my player spending power. In an already fairly low wage league that would be mad to lower your player spending even further. Ok Iāll put you down as youād have an assistant but be happy to maybe spend less on players and leave it at that. I never said that, think you need to go to specsavers lol Iāve got you down as changing your mind, constantly wanting to argue, giving us comedy gold and leave it that
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Post by iginla on Nov 1, 2022 22:39:39 GMT
Not sure how you say it made any difference when Panthers have been crap for years both with or without an assistant coach. But your missing my point,I would only have one for the sake of having one because itās not going to do any harm and could be useful if the head coach was missing for a game or two,but I donāt believe it makes much difference. No way would I have one though if it was taking anything away from my player spending power. In an already fairly low wage league that would be mad to lower your player spending even further. Ok Iāll put you down as youād have an assistant but be happy to maybe spend less on players and leave it at that. I never said that, think you need to go to specsavers lol Iāve got you down as changing your mind, constantly wanting to argue, giving us comedy gold and leave it that You said he needed one in your last post. Now stop arguing because the natives are moaning weāre taking over the thread. (Even though nobody else is posting anything Lol)
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Post by Yotes on Nov 1, 2022 23:20:13 GMT
I thought you'd done a job of burying a 4 goal defeat to the Yorks admirably. Surprised they haven't got you to run the OS tbh.
(Obviously you're blacklisted so that'll never happen.)
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Post by iginla on Nov 1, 2022 23:40:54 GMT
I thought you'd done a job of burying a 4 goal defeat to the Yorks admirably. Surprised they haven't got you to run the OS tbh. (Obviously you're blacklisted so that'll never happen.) Yes Iām blacklisted by the office they donāt like me because I criticise them and know too many secrets. Thatās why Iām such a cynical devil. My wife worked for Panthers for 15 years and then one day one of the office staff asked her āis your husband Iginlaā. I nearly PMSL š¤£š¤£
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Post by iginla on Nov 2, 2022 22:26:52 GMT
Well, his weekly podcast didn't exactly last very long, did it? And as if by magic one appears today ! š¤£
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Post by bobness on Nov 3, 2022 10:38:57 GMT
Well, his weekly podcast didn't exactly last very long, did it? And as if by magic one appears today ! š¤£ My secret is out!!
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