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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 10:54:05 GMT
In addition to what others have said about the possible official duties of an assistant, the unofficial aspect is that they are often the 'good cop' role to the head coach. A place where the players can blow off steam about what they're being asked to do, and subsequently a good resource for the head coach to be able to gauge the mood of the dressing room. IMO this is why Corey / Strachan worked - CN was seen as a bit serious and aloof (fairly or unfairly), whereas RS was more approachable and on the same level as the players Exactly that , but either way NHL or this level HC need assistance on game night due to the speed of the game in general.. a HC cannot see everything on the ice.. this is detrimental to any success moving forward.. And Iggy so you think we should save that money for better players? Is that what you thought in the summer when the genuine feeling was we had plenty of quality. You've had a nightmare here!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 30, 2022 11:01:35 GMT
In big pro sport yes but not in small time backwaters where money is king. There is not a team in the EIHL who has anything close to top notch stuff like some other major sports. You are so far off in your ideas. For starters in Sheffield the assistant coach (Carter Beston-Will) runs the D on game nights. He’s involved in game planning and tactics. He does a lot of the video work between periods, after games etc. As for the other stuff we’ve got a team of conditioning coaches, after game therapy people etc. Proper meals and drinks after games. No more McDonald’s on the way home. This isn’t Dampier and Blaisdell in the 90’s 🤷♂️ Where as I’m pretty sure no one is running our D at all. Pretty sure it’s the worst defence we have ever had and even the solid returning guy from last year is an absolute disaster this season.
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 11:05:49 GMT
In addition to what others have said about the possible official duties of an assistant, the unofficial aspect is that they are often the 'good cop' role to the head coach. A place where the players can blow off steam about what they're being asked to do, and subsequently a good resource for the head coach to be able to gauge the mood of the dressing room. IMO this is why Corey / Strachan worked - CN was seen as a bit serious and aloof (fairly or unfairly), whereas RS was more approachable and on the same level as the players Exactly that , but either way NHL or this level HC need assistance on game night due to the speed of the game in general.. a HC cannot see everything on the ice.. this is detrimental to any success moving forward.. And Iggy so you think we should save that money for better players? Is that what you thought in the summer when the genuine feeling was we had plenty of quality. You've had a nightmare here! You may have thought we had enough in the summer, I never said that. They looked to have upgraded on some players but not hugely overall and it didn’t take long to work out GG was all talk.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 30, 2022 11:06:04 GMT
In addition to what others have said about the possible official duties of an assistant, the unofficial aspect is that they are often the 'good cop' role to the head coach. A place where the players can blow off steam about what they're being asked to do, and subsequently a good resource for the head coach to be able to gauge the mood of the dressing room. IMO this is why Corey / Strachan worked - CN was seen as a bit serious and aloof (fairly or unfairly), whereas RS was more approachable and on the same level as the players Exactly that , but either way NHL or this level HC need assistance on game night due to the speed of the game in general.. a HC cannot see everything on the ice.. this is detrimental to any success moving forward.. And Iggy so you think we should save that money for better players? Is that what you thought in the summer when the genuine feeling was we had plenty of quality. You've had a nightmare here! I think that's already the reality anyway. If there was to be a defence of Black here I think it's quite clear a budget was given. That probably came as. Heres your £xxxx. Spend it as you please but it needs to cover you entire on ice team. Perhaps even all of your staff. Pacha and or Graham then decided to spend more on players and go without an Assistant. Either that or the money was spent on the much improved media team. They also still signed a team without balance. The reality is though, that budget probably still needs to be bigger. It's also why you can't just take aim at GG. Amd why i'm suprised Pacha appears to be getting a free pass with most. He will have been heavily involved in the decision making process on budget spend. The fan engagement piece has really got so many on his side and put him beyond critisism for that majority of fans.
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 11:09:44 GMT
Genuine question. How much is not having an assistant coach costing GG and the Panthers? Is GG able to work to his full capacity without help? You see this is exactly the sort of interesting question the media team should be asking in interviews. “Gary why don’t you have an assistant coach in place?” Over to you Jono.
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 11:11:03 GMT
Exactly that , but either way NHL or this level HC need assistance on game night due to the speed of the game in general.. a HC cannot see everything on the ice.. this is detrimental to any success moving forward.. And Iggy so you think we should save that money for better players? Is that what you thought in the summer when the genuine feeling was we had plenty of quality. You've had a nightmare here! I think that's already the reality anyway. If there was to be a defence of Black here I think it's quite clear a budget was given. That probably came as. Heres your £xxxx. Spend it as you please but it needs to cover you entire on ice team. Perhaps even all of your staff. Pacha and or Graham then decided to spend more on players and go without an Assistant. Either that or the money was spent on the much improved media team. They also still signed a team without balance. The reality is though, that budget probably still needs to be bigger. It's also why you can't just take aim at GG. Amd why i'm suprised Pacha appears to be getting a free pass with most. He will have been heavily involved in the decision making process on budget spend. The fan engagement piece has really got so many on his side and put him beyond critisism for that majority of fans. Spot on. 👍
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 11:24:13 GMT
Exactly that , but either way NHL or this level HC need assistance on game night due to the speed of the game in general.. a HC cannot see everything on the ice.. this is detrimental to any success moving forward.. And Iggy so you think we should save that money for better players? Is that what you thought in the summer when the genuine feeling was we had plenty of quality. You've had a nightmare here! I think that's already the reality anyway. If there was to be a defence of Black here I think it's quite clear a budget was given. That probably came as. Heres your £xxxx. Spend it as you please but it needs to cover you entire on ice team. Perhaps even all of your staff. Pacha and or Graham then decided to spend more on players and go without an Assistant. Either that or the money was spent on the much improved media team. They also still signed a team without balance. The reality is though, that budget probably still needs to be bigger. It's also why you can't just take aim at GG. Amd why i'm suprised Pacha appears to be getting a free pass with most. He will have been heavily involved in the decision making process on budget spend. The fan engagement piece has really got so many on his side and put him beyond critisism for that majority of fans. You talk about budgets.. do you think Guildford's overall budget is more than panthers in your opinion? I believe Dixon has assistance behind the bench and he's getting a tune out of his players too
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 11:27:47 GMT
Exactly that , but either way NHL or this level HC need assistance on game night due to the speed of the game in general.. a HC cannot see everything on the ice.. this is detrimental to any success moving forward.. And Iggy so you think we should save that money for better players? Is that what you thought in the summer when the genuine feeling was we had plenty of quality. You've had a nightmare here! I think that's already the reality anyway. If there was to be a defence of Black here I think it's quite clear a budget was given. That probably came as. Heres your £xxxx. Spend it as you please but it needs to cover you entire on ice team. Perhaps even all of your staff. Pacha and or Graham then decided to spend more on players and go without an Assistant. Either that or the money was spent on the much improved media team. They also still signed a team without balance. The reality is though, that budget probably still needs to be bigger. It's also why you can't just take aim at GG. Amd why i'm suprised Pacha appears to be getting a free pass with most. He will have been heavily involved in the decision making process on budget spend. The fan engagement piece has really got so many on his side and put him beyond critisism for that majority of fans. I always thought Pacha would aim to get the fans back onside before the team becomes successful on the ice again.. Thing is you need a balance because fans won't put up with a losing team for long
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 30, 2022 11:29:59 GMT
Exactly that , but either way NHL or this level HC need assistance on game night due to the speed of the game in general.. a HC cannot see everything on the ice.. this is detrimental to any success moving forward.. And Iggy so you think we should save that money for better players? Is that what you thought in the summer when the genuine feeling was we had plenty of quality. You've had a nightmare here! You may have thought we had enough in the summer, I never said that. They looked to have upgraded on some players but not hugely overall and it didn’t take long to work out GG was all talk. GG was all talk and really didn't have a clue about this league at all. The most important job on ice is recruiting and he obviously didn't have a lot to do with that despite all of the action stories we were given by podcast over the summer. I'm not too bothered about being world beaters when we are building a new core. But we are not. BS and over-promising hasn't done his cause any good at all = Failure A coach needs to be a good man manager and despite the grubby little whiteboard being shown up and down the bench (and to anyone else who wants to look) in every game when desperation hits nothing ever changes = Failure A coach needs to be a tactician with an understanding of the game and GG clearly isn't = Failure It's clear in every post-game interview he does that he is way out of his depth in the EIHL. The paint-by-numbers forwards are never going to work and the defense is just awful but the worrying thing it just gets worse every game. GG will be gone by Christmas
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 30, 2022 11:31:18 GMT
I think that's already the reality anyway. If there was to be a defence of Black here I think it's quite clear a budget was given. That probably came as. Heres your £xxxx. Spend it as you please but it needs to cover you entire on ice team. Perhaps even all of your staff. Pacha and or Graham then decided to spend more on players and go without an Assistant. Either that or the money was spent on the much improved media team. They also still signed a team without balance. The reality is though, that budget probably still needs to be bigger. It's also why you can't just take aim at GG. Amd why i'm suprised Pacha appears to be getting a free pass with most. He will have been heavily involved in the decision making process on budget spend. The fan engagement piece has really got so many on his side and put him beyond critisism for that majority of fans. You talk about budgets.. do you think Guildford's overall budget is more than panthers in your opinion? I believe Dixon has assistance behind the bench and he's getting a tune out of his players too Dixon is a way, way, WAY better coach than GG plus he has the advantage of experience and knowing our league
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Post by Yotes on Oct 30, 2022 11:36:03 GMT
You talk about budgets.. do you think Guildford's overall budget is more than panthers in your opinion? I believe Dixon has assistance behind the bench and he's getting a tune out of his players too Dixon is a way, way, WAY better coach than GG plus he has the advantage of experience and knowing our league He probably is, but he still has an assistant coach to work with.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 30, 2022 11:40:35 GMT
Dixon is a way, way, WAY better coach than GG plus he has the advantage of experience and knowing our league He probably is, but he still has an assistant coach to work with. I don't think GG is going to be here long enough to need one. The first part of the long-fabled building of a gold standard core is starting with the coach and GG is just not the guy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 11:46:48 GMT
He probably is, but he still has an assistant coach to work with. I don't think GG is going to be here long enough to need one. The first part of the long-fabled building of a gold standard core is starting with the coach and GG is just not the guy Panthers will need to go at least on a 13 game losing run before Black considers getting rid!
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 12:08:05 GMT
You may have thought we had enough in the summer, I never said that. They looked to have upgraded on some players but not hugely overall and it didn’t take long to work out GG was all talk. GG was all talk and really didn't have a clue about this league at all. The most important job on ice is recruiting and he obviously didn't have a lot to do with that despite all of the action stories we were given by podcast over the summer. I'm not too bothered about being world beaters when we are building a new core. But we are not. BS and over-promising hasn't done his cause any good at all = Failure A coach needs to be a good man manager and despite the grubby little whiteboard being shown up and down the bench (and to anyone else who wants to look) in every game when desperation hits nothing ever changes = Failure A coach needs to be a tactician with an understanding of the game and GG clearly isn't = Failure It's clear in every post-game interview he does that he is way out of his depth in the EIHL. The paint-by-numbers forwards are never going to work and the defense is just awful but the worrying thing it just gets worse every game. GG will be gone by Christmas Couldn’t have put it better myself. 👍
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 12:11:13 GMT
I think that's already the reality anyway. If there was to be a defence of Black here I think it's quite clear a budget was given. That probably came as. Heres your £xxxx. Spend it as you please but it needs to cover you entire on ice team. Perhaps even all of your staff. Pacha and or Graham then decided to spend more on players and go without an Assistant. Either that or the money was spent on the much improved media team. They also still signed a team without balance. The reality is though, that budget probably still needs to be bigger. It's also why you can't just take aim at GG. Amd why i'm suprised Pacha appears to be getting a free pass with most. He will have been heavily involved in the decision making process on budget spend. The fan engagement piece has really got so many on his side and put him beyond critisism for that majority of fans. You talk about budgets.. do you think Guildford's overall budget is more than panthers in your opinion? I believe Dixon has assistance behind the bench and he's getting a tune out of his players too I’d say their budgets are the same £12,500 a week as per wage cap. There is no reason Guildford couldn’t afford that. It all depends how much an owner wants to spend versus how much he wants to bank.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 13:06:08 GMT
You talk about budgets.. do you think Guildford's overall budget is more than panthers in your opinion? I believe Dixon has assistance behind the bench and he's getting a tune out of his players too I’d say their budgets are the same £12,500 a week as per wage cap. There is no reason Guildford couldn’t afford that. It all depends how much an owner wants to spend versus how much he wants to bank. But you haven't explained why a team (in your words) who have spent roughly the same as panthers are 15 points ahead already!
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 13:08:25 GMT
I’d say their budgets are the same £12,500 a week as per wage cap. There is no reason Guildford couldn’t afford that. It all depends how much an owner wants to spend versus how much he wants to bank. But you haven't explained why a team (in your words) who have spent roughly the same as panthers are 15 points ahead already! Flames have got a coach who knows what he’s doing instead of one who’s just full of BS. And they’ve played a few more league games too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 13:08:54 GMT
Iggy you haven't explained why you think having not a assistant coach is that important!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 13:12:20 GMT
But you haven't explained why a team (in your words) who have spent roughly the same as panthers are 15 points ahead already! Flames have got a coach who knows what he’s doing instead of one who’s just full of BS. And they’ve played a few more league games too. Well I came on here after watching my only game and said GG had lost the room it was obvious they weren't playing for him and it looks like nothing much has changed... So tell me something I don't know ...
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 30, 2022 13:12:55 GMT
I’d say their budgets are the same £12,500 a week as per wage cap. There is no reason Guildford couldn’t afford that. It all depends how much an owner wants to spend versus how much he wants to bank. But you haven't explained why a team (in your words) who have spent roughly the same as panthers are 15 points ahead already! i might be stating a completely different point to Iginla but there could be multiple reasons. Portly built expensive team vs well built expensive team. We could be over paying. Different teams have different packages while recruiting (obvious one is different teams use different amount of uni spots).
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 13:45:10 GMT
Iggy you haven't explained why you think having not a assistant coach is that important! I just don’t think it’s important in a little league like the EIHL and there are better things to spend money on,especially when GG has got Pacha to lean on as an extra pair of eyes if he wants help. We have had assistant coaches before,in Strach’s case Corey didn’t even listen to him (his words). Then we brought Davey Graham in at one point and nothing changed,crikey we even tried Goody at one stage. Matheson had a go too and still nothing changed. We had Doucet as Director of hockey which was assistant coach with a posh title and that was a bloody disaster too. Basically,if you’ve got a dog turd to start with an assistant coach isn’t going to put a shine on it however hard he tries to polish it !
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 30, 2022 13:51:18 GMT
Iggy you haven't explained why you think having not a assistant coach is that important! I just don’t think it’s important in a little league like the EIHL and there are better things to spend money on,especially when GG has got Pacha to lean on as an extra pair of eyes if he wants help. We have had assistant coaches before,in Strach’s case Corey didn’t even listen to him (his words). Then we brought Davey Graham in at one point and nothing changed,crikey we even tried Goody at one stage. Matheson had a go too and still nothing changed. We had Doucet as Director of hockey which was assistant coach with a posh title and that was a bloody disaster too. Basically,if you’ve got a dog turd to start with an assistant coach isn’t going to put a shine on it however hard he tries to polish it ! Lol DOH is not a posh title for assistant. DoH was a similar to GM role only more on ice focused. Pachas CEO or whatever he is is more of a polished up GM role. They are all much of a muchness the way Panthers use them.
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 14:05:00 GMT
I just don’t think it’s important in a little league like the EIHL and there are better things to spend money on,especially when GG has got Pacha to lean on as an extra pair of eyes if he wants help. We have had assistant coaches before,in Strach’s case Corey didn’t even listen to him (his words). Then we brought Davey Graham in at one point and nothing changed,crikey we even tried Goody at one stage. Matheson had a go too and still nothing changed. We had Doucet as Director of hockey which was assistant coach with a posh title and that was a bloody disaster too. Basically,if you’ve got a dog turd to start with an assistant coach isn’t going to put a shine on it however hard he tries to polish it ! Lol DOH is not a posh title for assistant. DoH was a similar to GM role only more on ice focused. Pachas CEO or whatever he is is more of a polished up GM role. They are all much of a muchness the way Panthers use them. Yes but remember when Doucet was DOH we had a GM too because Moran was still around for most of the time. I still can’t fathom what exactly Doucet did,he was the biggest waste of space ever !
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 20:21:37 GMT
And where’s the GG post game interview ? All the other nine EIHL coaches have fronted up last night, just Graham missing. I imagine he’s trying to think up some more BS, perhaps something like “we need to elevate ourselves” ! 🙄 I see GG’s post game interview has finally surfaced at last,about 20 seconds long,cut short and highly edited apparently. 🙄😂
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 30, 2022 20:58:43 GMT
Genuine question. How much is not having an assistant coach costing GG and the Panthers? Is GG able to work to his full capacity without help? I don’t think it costs them at all. A decent coach should know himself what to do and how to get it. If he does need another pair of eyes then he’s got Pacha. Well Iggy, if you are going to pick this hill to die on then you might as well go down in flames. This is you from from less than a month ago: Which is why he might need an assistant I agree he should have one. But to offer a different opinion or view,not to cover up any of GG’s possible shortcomings. Ever wonder why some people get the impression you come on here just to start arguments??
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