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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 30, 2022 21:02:36 GMT
Iggy you haven't explained why you think having not a assistant coach is that important! I just don’t think it’s important in a little league like the EIHL and there are better things to spend money on,especially when GG has got Pacha to lean on as an extra pair of eyes if he wants help. We have had assistant coaches before,in Strach’s case Corey didn’t even listen to him (his words). Then we brought Davey Graham in at one point and nothing changed,crikey we even tried Goody at one stage. Matheson had a go too and still nothing changed. We had Doucet as Director of hockey which was assistant coach with a posh title and that was a bloody disaster too. Basically,if you’ve got a dog turd to start with an assistant coach isn’t going to put a shine on it however hard he tries to polish it ! Are you sure you never thought it was important? Didn't we have a whole debate on the forum recently about the added value Belfast get from their coaching set-up? And only last month you were arguing for one... Which is why he might need an assistant I agree he should have one. But to offer a different opinion or view,not to cover up any of GG’s possible shortcomings.
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2022 22:18:54 GMT
I just don’t think it’s important in a little league like the EIHL and there are better things to spend money on,especially when GG has got Pacha to lean on as an extra pair of eyes if he wants help. We have had assistant coaches before,in Strach’s case Corey didn’t even listen to him (his words). Then we brought Davey Graham in at one point and nothing changed,crikey we even tried Goody at one stage. Matheson had a go too and still nothing changed. We had Doucet as Director of hockey which was assistant coach with a posh title and that was a bloody disaster too. Basically,if you’ve got a dog turd to start with an assistant coach isn’t going to put a shine on it however hard he tries to polish it ! Are you sure you never thought it was important? Didn't we have a whole debate on the forum recently about the added value Belfast get from their coaching set-up? And only last month you were arguing for one... I agree he should have one. But to offer a different opinion or view,not to cover up any of GG’s possible shortcomings. I never said he shouldn’t have one,I said in answer to the original question that I don’t think it’s important. A good coach should be able to make his own decisions. If money was no object then yes he can have an assistant and a D coach and a goalie coach and a video analyst etc etc, but in the EIHL where money rules and if as suggested the assistants wage comes out of the on ice budget then no there are far better things to spend that money on than an assistant.
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Post by iginla on Oct 31, 2022 11:30:55 GMT
Genuine question. How much is not having an assistant coach costing GG and the Panthers? Is GG able to work to his full capacity without help? You see this is exactly the sort of interesting question the media team should be asking in interviews. “Gary why don’t you have an assistant coach in place?” Over to you Jono. Anybody asked him yet ? Thought not !
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Post by sevcik on Oct 31, 2022 11:58:57 GMT
You see this is exactly the sort of interesting question the media team should be asking in interviews. “Gary why don’t you have an assistant coach in place?” Over to you Jono. Anybody asked him yet ? Thought not ! More likely to get blood from a stone than an answer to that question from him orChris Ellis either. Neither will want to rock the boat for fear of losing their position. The drinking culture going back to 2017 and before was an open secret adding to the problems the club had. Both of them had access to media sources but said nothing.. But then if they did say something they would jeopardise any future job/association with the club. And Chris would no longer have been Neil Blscks bet interviewer of choice. When did Chris Ellis actually ask Neil black any serious questions when he did interviewed him? Panthers do have an analyst (at least according to Elite prospects) He is a Czech guy called Martin Kirschbaum
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Post by jd on Oct 31, 2022 12:07:00 GMT
You see this is exactly the sort of interesting question the media team should be asking in interviews. “Gary why don’t you have an assistant coach in place?” Over to you Jono. Anybody asked him yet ? Thought not ! Have you ask Jono? Thought not!
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Post by iginla on Oct 31, 2022 12:18:35 GMT
Anybody asked him yet ? Thought not ! Have you ask Jono? Thought not! Jono doesn’t like me and Panthers wouldn’t reply if I asked them. But I believe it’s a perfectly reasonable question,although I don’t believe you’d get an honest answer. I do wish the media team would ask some proper questions though instead of the usual asking just easy questions with the inclusion of an answer in the question.
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Post by Joe on Oct 31, 2022 12:52:46 GMT
Have you ask Jono? Thought not! Jono doesn’t like me and Panthers wouldn’t reply if I asked them. But I believe it’s a perfectly reasonable question,although I don’t believe you’d get an honest answer. I do wish the media team would ask some proper questions though instead of the usual asking just easy questions with the inclusion of an answer. It’s easy for you to say this though when you’re anonymous and have absolutely nothing on the line, I wonder how quick you’d be to do something someone asked if it meant there was a chance it could jeopardise your job. Also if it’s just Panthers then why don’t you show us some other social media teams calling out their coach
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Post by iginla on Oct 31, 2022 13:40:11 GMT
Jono doesn’t like me and Panthers wouldn’t reply if I asked them. But I believe it’s a perfectly reasonable question,although I don’t believe you’d get an honest answer. I do wish the media team would ask some proper questions though instead of the usual asking just easy questions with the inclusion of an answer. It’s easy for you to say this though when you’re anonymous and have absolutely nothing on the line, I wonder how quick you’d be to do something someone asked if it meant there was a chance it could jeopardise your job. Also if it’s just Panthers then why don’t you show us some other social media teams calling out their coach I’m not anonymous there are plenty of people who know who I am including at Panthers HQ, I’ve got absolutely nothing to hide. And what’s wrong with the question of why hasn’t Gary got an assistant coach,that’s not a reason for anybody to lose a job over,it’s what interviewers are supposed to do,ask questions. There are plenty of people on here wondering why he hasn’t got one ?
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Post by bobness on Oct 31, 2022 14:19:37 GMT
And plenty who don't care, because he's the man in charge and he stands or falls by what he does. An AC appointment alone will not change a thing. Maybe GG has a couple of senior pros whose opinions he values if he wants? Are they ACs in all but actual name? Or maybe he really does the "lone wolf" approach 100%. That is, as far as I can tell, his business and no-one else's.
The answer is, I suspect, something like "Because I don't feel I want or need one.". What's wrong with that as an answer?
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Post by Mark on Oct 31, 2022 14:23:39 GMT
Why would asking why there's no assistant coach in place jeapodise someone's job? It's an innocuous question, unless of course the truthful answer would upset the fanbase.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 31, 2022 14:52:41 GMT
The answer is, I suspect, something like "Because I don't feel I want or need one.". What's wrong with that as an answer? If that was the answer then fine, it's on GG. He's often worked with assistant coaches in the past though. If the real answer is because Blacky won't pay for it then that's a bit different. GG probably wouldn't say that either way though. So it probably makes it a rather pointless question to ask.
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Post by iginla on Oct 31, 2022 14:53:00 GMT
Why would asking why there's no assistant coach in place jeapodise someone's job? It's an innocuous question, unless of course the truthful answer would upset the fanbase. I agree,can’t see more than two answers. Either GG doesn’t want one or Black won’t fund one other than including it through the set on ice budget. Strangely,did Cameron have one at Clan,I can’t recall seeing one in place ?
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Post by iginla on Oct 31, 2022 14:55:44 GMT
The answer is, I suspect, something like "Because I don't feel I want or need one.". What's wrong with that as an answer? If that was the answer then fine, it's on GG. He's often worked with assistant coaches in the past though. If the real answer is because Blacky won't pay for it then that's a bit different. GG probably wouldn't say that either way though. So it probably makes it a rather pointless question to ask. Yes quite Yotes. But it is a valid question when all the other EIHL teams have one apart from possibly Clan,which if they didn’t have one makes it even stranger and point towards Blacky.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 31, 2022 14:58:49 GMT
The answer is, I suspect, something like "Because I don't feel I want or need one.". What's wrong with that as an answer? If that was the answer then fine, it's on GG. He's often worked with assistant coaches in the past though. If the real answer is because Blacky won't pay for it then that's a bit different. GG probably wouldn't say that either way though. So it probably makes it a rather pointless question to ask. He mentioned Assistants in one of his summer interviews. He said he doesn't like player assistants and would see if anyone local was available. I took it at the time as he wanted a full time bench A and was told he would only be allowed a player assistant. Reading between the lines of course.
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Post by bobness on Oct 31, 2022 15:18:44 GMT
The answer is, I suspect, something like "Because I don't feel I want or need one.". What's wrong with that as an answer? If that was the answer then fine, it's on GG. He's often worked with assistant coaches in the past though. If the real answer is because Blacky won't pay for it then that's a bit different. GG probably wouldn't say that either way though. So it probably makes it a rather pointless question to ask. Fair do's, yes. No-one will say that ("NB won't let me have one") if asked, even if it's true. So, IIWII.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 15:39:01 GMT
I know we live in the world of the snowflake but it's a sad state of affairs when your job could be at risk for asking why there's no assistant coach behind the bench!
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Post by float on Oct 31, 2022 16:05:02 GMT
I don't think it's a job at risk scenario... more so, the people mentioned like Jono, Chris Ellis etc work FOR the club. Therefore the questions are not going to try and trip up the coach etc, most interviews are for his thoughts and players thoughts which is all fine by me.
Now, when the players/Gary/Omar go onto BBC Radio Nottingham, if they were to ask it, then it's fair game and open season. But the Club themselves asking "Why don't we have an assistant?" would be a rather strange interview for them to release.
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Post by iginla on Oct 31, 2022 16:06:17 GMT
I know we live in the world of the snowflake but it's a sad state of affairs when your job could be at risk for asking why there's no assistant coach behind the bench! If the club media won’t ask the question then perhaps a fan should next time they bump into GG around town or at the arena. I would were I ever to bump into him. Anyway it must be about time we had a proper catch up interview with GG see what he makes of the whole EIHL thing etc and ask him some proper questions, not the daft stupid sort of things either like “does he like pineapple on his pizza” ! 🙄
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Post by bobness on Oct 31, 2022 16:21:18 GMT
Well, his weekly podcast didn't exactly last very long, did it?
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Post by Joe on Oct 31, 2022 16:44:57 GMT
I don't think it's a job at risk scenario... more so, the people mentioned like Jono, Chris Ellis etc work FOR the club. Therefore the questions are not going to try and trip up the coach etc, most interviews are for his thoughts and players thoughts which is all fine by me. Now, when the players/Gary/Omar go onto BBC Radio Nottingham, if they were to ask it, then it's fair game and open season. But the Club themselves asking "Why don't we have an assistant?" would be a rather strange interview for them to release. 100% this, obviously asking about an assistant coach isn’t going to put anyones job at risk but asking questions that could trip up the coach and make him/the club look bad isn’t going to go down well with your employer
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Post by iginla on Oct 31, 2022 17:00:55 GMT
I don't think it's a job at risk scenario... more so, the people mentioned like Jono, Chris Ellis etc work FOR the club. Therefore the questions are not going to try and trip up the coach etc, most interviews are for his thoughts and players thoughts which is all fine by me. Now, when the players/Gary/Omar go onto BBC Radio Nottingham, if they were to ask it, then it's fair game and open season. But the Club themselves asking "Why don't we have an assistant?" would be a rather strange interview for them to release. 100% this, obviously asking about an assistant coach isn’t going to put anyones job at risk but asking questions that could trip up the coach and make him/the club look bad isn’t going to go down well with your employer Set up a proper fans question and answer session then, with questions either in person at a venue or submitted via media and answered in a filmed interview. That way it’s the fans asking the questions and the media team have no worries. Interestingly after doing some trawling and checking it would appear there are TWO teams in the EIHL who do not have an assistant coach....Panthers and Clan. Make of that what you will !
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 31, 2022 17:15:09 GMT
Are you sure you never thought it was important? Didn't we have a whole debate on the forum recently about the added value Belfast get from their coaching set-up? And only last month you were arguing for one... I never said he shouldn’t have one,I said in answer to the original question that I don’t think it’s important. So which is it? We should have one? We don't need one? Unimportant? Or suddenly so crucial that failing to ask a question about it is a giant conspiracy? Because you've held all these positions on this issue within 30 days and three of them alone within this thread? Are you sure you're not Liz Truss' political strategist? Because shifting the goalposts so many times on the same issue kind of looks like trying to find something to be outraged about or trying to stoke the fires. You said in one post that you didn't think it was important for GG to have an assistant then *in the very next post of the thread* started highlighting and complaining why no one was asking the team why he didn't have the thing you'd just said you didn't think was important. My head is spinning
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Post by iginla on Oct 31, 2022 17:31:48 GMT
I never said he shouldn’t have one,I said in answer to the original question that I don’t think it’s important. So which is it? We should have one? We don't need one? Unimportant? Or suddenly so crucial that failing to ask a question about it is a giant conspiracy? Because you've held all these positions on this issue within 30 days and three of them alone within this thread? Are you sure you're not Liz Truss' political strategist? Because shifting the goalposts so many times on the same issue kind of looks like trying to find something to be outraged about or trying to stoke the fires. You said in one post that you didn't think it was important for GG to have an assistant then *in the very next post of the thread* started highlighting and complaining why no one was asking the team why he didn't have the thing you'd just said you didn't think was important. My head is spinning As I’ve already said i don’t think it’s vital to have one, and I wouldn’t have one if it comes out of the on ice budget,there are however plenty on here (everybody except me) who seem to think it is important though. If it doesn’t come out of the player budget then that changes things as there is one instance to argue for having one and that is in the event that the Head Coach is indisposed for some reason. I do not however believe a coaches wage should come out of the playing budget. I am therefore just prompting the question to be asked to try gain the official club take on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 17:32:50 GMT
I never said he shouldn’t have one,I said in answer to the original question that I don’t think it’s important. So which is it? We should have one? We don't need one? Unimportant? Or suddenly so crucial that failing to ask a question about it is a giant conspiracy? Because you've held all these positions on this issue within 30 days and three of them alone within this thread? Are you sure you're not Liz Truss' political strategist? Because shifting the goalposts so many times on the same issue kind of looks like trying to find something to be outraged about or trying to stoke the fires. You said in one post that you didn't think it was important for GG to have an assistant then *in the very next post of the thread* started highlighting and complaining why no one was asking the team why he didn't have the thing you'd just said you didn't think was important. My head is spinning The thought had occurred to me lol
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Post by iginla on Oct 31, 2022 17:35:52 GMT
So which is it? We should have one? We don't need one? Unimportant? Or suddenly so crucial that failing to ask a question about it is a giant conspiracy? Because you've held all these positions on this issue within 30 days and three of them alone within this thread? Are you sure you're not Liz Truss' political strategist? Because shifting the goalposts so many times on the same issue kind of looks like trying to find something to be outraged about or trying to stoke the fires. You said in one post that you didn't think it was important for GG to have an assistant then *in the very next post of the thread* started highlighting and complaining why no one was asking the team why he didn't have the thing you'd just said you didn't think was important. My head is spinning The thought had occurred to me lol Think about it. I’m asking the question YOU should be asking,you’re one of the people saying we deffo need an assistant coach.
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