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Post by floridadad on Jan 6, 2022 11:28:58 GMT
Welcome back! I do think Wallace clearly had something about him to win the Elite Series. The team bought in, grew and improved steadily before wiping the floor with Coventry and Sheffield. I think he's been somewhat unfortunate with this team as he's being asked to do more with less IMO. I think the problems are with the roster (and higher up), but that's not his responsibility. Interesting to see if everyone you talk about buys in for the new coach (whenever he arrives). Looks like Austin and Stjernen are having a decent time of it. I like following the team because as Austin told me when he got back home it was the most fun he had in a long time and his teammates were awesome.. Not sure the guys that I am thinking of will buy in. It will be a tough task for the new coach. I know that Wallace was a players coach and that type of coach is exactly the type that Austin likes to play for. Stjernen has been a pleasant surprise on the ice so far. Picked for 7th by the so called experts they have exceeded expectations thus far. It will be interesting to see how far they can go this year. Goaltending has been good, defense has come along nicely and there are many forwards who can put the puck in the net. Team is 4 lines deep. Not crazy about the tempo of the way they regroup and break out as it handcuffs players who can fly. Really like to see a big bruiser brought in for the playoffs but trades and free agency is non-existent once the season starts. I hope your new coach can get the team going in the right direction! |
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2022 12:39:01 GMT
It would be interesting to know who recruited Austin,was it Doucet or Wallace ? Austin had conversations with both of them. His last conversation was with Wallace and he got a good feeling about how he would be used and his role on the team! You see this is where Panthers fall down and the fans don’t trust them. When Doucet was appointed as the first ever Director of Hockey the owner Neil Black made a big deal that Doucet would be solely responsible for recruiting and everything on ice. Previously the coach had always recruited his own team. Recruiting this year has been very poor. Panthers even started the season an import short for no apparent reason and stayed short for a couple of months,they then hit injury trouble but have done virtually nothing to resolve that and just prior to Christmas they even fired two imports and still havn’t replaced them. They then fire Wallace and all of a sudden we’re told there will be a couple of new signings coming in fairly soon. All seems rather unfair on Wallace. |
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Post by Discoray on Jan 6, 2022 15:22:34 GMT
The cowardly, easy thing to do would be to do nothing. If Doucet genuinely believes in the lineup he's assembled, then he has to back it and believe they need to be better coached. If the new guy can't get a tune out of them either, then Doucet will get sacked in the summer. Wallace is no loss. One thing it will answer is it "can't" or "won't" with the players. If they can't do something, you need new players. If they won't do something, you need a new coach. The Canucks were sinking in the NHL fast, and with the exact same roster the new coach has went 7-0-1 in his first 8 games. Maybe there's the hope with management Panthers will go on a similar run, but from the handful of games I've watched, my eyes tell me it's a quality issue. I kind of hope that's what it pans out to be, as it would be just poor from the players quitting on Wallace, which also spites everyone else to do with the team. |
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 6, 2022 15:29:35 GMT
Austin had conversations with both of them. His last conversation was with Wallace and he got a good feeling about how he would be used and his role on the team! You see this is where Panthers fall down and the fans don’t trust them. When Doucet was appointed as the first ever Director of Hockey the owner Neil Black made a big deal that Doucet would be solely responsible for recruiting and everything on ice. Previously the coach had always recruited his own team. Recruiting this year has been very poor. Panthers even started the season an import short for no apparent reason and stayed short for a couple of months,they then hit injury trouble but have done virtually nothing to resolve that and just prior to Christmas they even fired two imports and still havn’t replaced them. They then fire Wallace and all of a sudden we’re told there will be a couple of new signings coming in fairly soon. All seems rather unfair on Wallace. That's the way a DOH & HC collaboration works. The coach would have some say & of course talk to the player but the DOH has the ultimate say. I would agree with you that the role seems a complete waste of time but you can't expect the coach to have no say at all or be surprised he's talking to the same players the DOH is. Roles aren't as black & white as your seem to be perceiving. |
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2022 15:53:06 GMT
The cowardly, easy thing to do would be to do nothing. If Doucet genuinely believes in the lineup he's assembled, then he has to back it and believe they need to be better coached. If the new guy can't get a tune out of them either, then Doucet will get sacked in the summer. Wallace is no loss. One thing it will answer is it "can't" or "won't" with the players. If they can't do something, you need new players. If they won't do something, you need a new coach. The Canucks were sinking in the NHL fast, and with the exact same roster the new coach has went 7-0-1 in his first 8 games. Maybe there's the hope with management Panthers will go on a similar run, but from the handful of games I've watched, my eyes tell me it's a quality issue. I kind of hope that's what it pans out to be, as it would be just poor from the players quitting on Wallace, which also spites everyone else to do with the team. Thing is if they bring in a couple of good quality players you might never know what the problem was because those two might be enough to spark a good run. I don’t think the players quit on Wallace because they’ve been poor even after Jokinen and Suoranta left,where as most players seeing two teammates go would be busting a gut in case they were next for a P45. They’ll pick up a bit soon with a bounce under a new coach and maybe a few easier games but unless they get some real quality in soon then it’s going to be a long season for the fans. |
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2022 15:54:24 GMT
You see this is where Panthers fall down and the fans don’t trust them. When Doucet was appointed as the first ever Director of Hockey the owner Neil Black made a big deal that Doucet would be solely responsible for recruiting and everything on ice. Previously the coach had always recruited his own team. Recruiting this year has been very poor. Panthers even started the season an import short for no apparent reason and stayed short for a couple of months,they then hit injury trouble but have done virtually nothing to resolve that and just prior to Christmas they even fired two imports and still havn’t replaced them. They then fire Wallace and all of a sudden we’re told there will be a couple of new signings coming in fairly soon. All seems rather unfair on Wallace. That's the way a DOH & HC collaboration works. The coach would have some say & of course talk to the player but the DOH has the ultimate say. I would agree with you that the role seems a complete waste of time but you can't expect the coach to have no say at all or be surprised he's talking to the same players the DOH is. Roles aren't as black & white as your seem to be perceiving. A bit like all the old coaches and Black then,where Black was the DOH. 🤣🙄 |
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 6, 2022 16:28:51 GMT
That's the way a DOH & HC collaboration works. The coach would have some say & of course talk to the player but the DOH has the ultimate say. I would agree with you that the role seems a complete waste of time but you can't expect the coach to have no say at all or be surprised he's talking to the same players the DOH is. Roles aren't as black & white as your seem to be perceiving. A bit like all the old coaches and Black then,where Black was the DOH. 🤣🙄 Yep, I'd say so Iggy. It's a complete waste of a role for sure, maybe valuable at a larger org. with a higher number/turnover of players but it seems fruitless at this level. I had some positive thoughts about the dynamic initially as I've seen it work rather well in other orgs. & sports but Panthers have done their typical half arsed effort & managed to somehow add more confusion to the situ. Sometimes taking on your cynical nature firsthand would be very justified. |
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2022 16:38:15 GMT
A bit like all the old coaches and Black then,where Black was the DOH. 🤣🙄 Yep, I'd say so Iggy. It's a complete waste of a role for sure, maybe valuable at a larger org. with a higher number/turnover of players but it seems fruitless at this level. I had some positive thoughts about the dynamic initially as I've seen it work rather well in other orgs. & sports but Panthers have done their typical half arsed effort & managed to somehow add more confusion to the situ. Sometimes taking on your cynical nature firsthand would be very justified. Yes Jord i did say it was a complete waste of time when they appointed Doucet and you know I’m usually correct. Black should have given me the GM job. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 18:27:31 GMT
If done correctly it does work as Belfast have the same set up.. Stewart DOH and Keefe HC . Their recruitment has been spot on
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2022 20:05:28 GMT
If done correctly it does work as Belfast have the same set up.. Stewart DOH and Keefe HC . Their recruitment has been spot on Steve Thornton is Giants DOH,although he’s really just the GM with a fancy title. Rob Stewart is assistant coach,the guy with what must be the cushiest job in the EIHL,he’s been there donkeys years yet nobody ever sees or hears anything from him. A cardboard cut out would do the same job as him. |
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Post by jd on Jan 7, 2022 9:26:44 GMT
If done correctly it does work as Belfast have the same set up.. Stewart DOH and Keefe HC . Their recruitment has been spot on Steve Thornton is Giants DOH,although he’s really just the GM with a fancy title. Rob Stewart is assistant coach,the guy with what must be the cushiest job in the EIHL,he’s been there donkeys years yet nobody ever sees or hears anything from him. A cardboard cut out would do the same job as him. Surely Dan Green gives him a run for his money? |
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Post by iginla on Jan 7, 2022 10:03:57 GMT
Steve Thornton is Giants DOH,although he’s really just the GM with a fancy title. Rob Stewart is assistant coach,the guy with what must be the cushiest job in the EIHL,he’s been there donkeys years yet nobody ever sees or hears anything from him. A cardboard cut out would do the same job as him. Surely Dan Green gives him a run for his money? Oooh I dunno,13 years as assistant coach without anybody knowing who he is takes some beating. The Giants even have an assistant assistant coach too you know in Jeff Mason. It’s not good enough,I just don’t know what Panthers are playing at not having an assistant assistant coach,it’s a bit second rate ! 😆 |
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 7, 2022 11:11:56 GMT
Steve Thornton is Giants DOH,although he’s really just the GM with a fancy title. Rob Stewart is assistant coach,the guy with what must be the cushiest job in the EIHL,he’s been there donkeys years yet nobody ever sees or hears anything from him. A cardboard cut out would do the same job as him. Surely Dan Green gives him a run for his money? I don't like to jump on this bandwagon but sod it, it's Friday.... Dan Green going from back up goalie to commentator to webchat interviewer & finally in to housing officer was the most Panthers thing ever. |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 7, 2022 11:15:26 GMT
The Giants even have an assistant assistant coach too you know in Jeff Mason. They don't. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 13:43:29 GMT
Surely Dan Green gives him a run for his money? I don't like to jump on this bandwagon but sod it, it's Friday.... Dan Green going from back up goalie to commentator to webchat interviewer & finally in to housing officer was the most Panthers thing ever. Yup another yes man who is frightened of losing his job so will arse lick is way to the top |
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Post by bobness on Jan 7, 2022 13:50:36 GMT
I don't like to jump on this bandwagon but sod it, it's Friday.... Dan Green going from back up goalie to commentator to webchat interviewer & finally in to housing officer was the most Panthers thing ever. Yup another yes man who is frightened of losing his job so will arse lick is way to the top I hear he speaks similarly highly of you.  |
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Post by iginla on Jan 7, 2022 14:05:26 GMT
The Giants even have an assistant assistant coach too you know in Jeff Mason. They don't. They do if you look at elite prospects,but Masons’s not actually listed as assistant assistant,that’s me being sarcastic. Adam Keefe - Head coach Rob Stewart - Asst coach Jeff Mason - Asst coach Steve Thornton - General manager |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 14:34:56 GMT
They do if you look at elite prospects,but Masons’s not actually listed as assistant assistant,that’s me being sarcastic. Adam Keefe - Head coach Rob Stewart - Asst coach Jeff Mason - Asst coach Steve Thornton - General manager Yup strangely lots of chiefs but it does seem to work for them .. obviously more driven and got good knowledgeable structure |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 7, 2022 14:41:05 GMT
Yeah, 2 assistant coaches. And a player/assistant coach in Beskorowany.
They've just thrashed us by 5, again, so maybe they're doing things the right way?
Sheffield and Cardiff both have a full time assistant coach.
Why don't we?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 15:04:38 GMT
Because panthers either can't afford one or the money they do have just totally waste it!
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Post by iginla on Jan 7, 2022 15:10:08 GMT
Yeah, 2 assistant coaches. And a player/assistant coach in Beskorowany. They've just thrashed us by 5, again, so maybe they're doing things the right way? Sheffield and Cardiff both have a full time assistant coach. Why don't we? Because Panthers waste money totally in the wrong areas, and employ numpties. Look at Belfast’s coaching team and GM,they’re all hockey men ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 15:18:32 GMT
Yeah, 2 assistant coaches. And a player/assistant coach in Beskorowany. They've just thrashed us by 5, again, so maybe they're doing things the right way? Sheffield and Cardiff both have a full time assistant coach. Why don't we? Because Panthers waste money totally in the wrong areas, and employ numpties. Look at Belfast’s coaching team and GM,they’re all hockey men ! Exactly.. I would never call Dan Green a hockey man he may have played the game but use that term 'played' very loosely! The phase numpties is spot on in panthers case! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 15:20:37 GMT
For instance Jeff Mason .. played hundreds of games in the AHL knows his stuff.. which equivalent panthers ex player would come in ? Not a chance because they would upset the applecart!
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Post by Yotes on Jan 7, 2022 15:42:41 GMT
Look at Belfast’s coaching team and GM,they’re all hockey men ! Well yeah, but you were laughing at Rob Stewart and the "assistant assistant" Jeff Mason a minute ago, weren't you? |
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Post by wannabe2 on Jan 7, 2022 16:44:28 GMT
Yeah, 2 assistant coaches. And a player/assistant coach in Beskorowany. They've just thrashed us by 5, again, so maybe they're doing things the right way? Sheffield and Cardiff both have a full time assistant coach. Why don't we? Who is Cardiffs full time assistant coach, |
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