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Post by John Casey on Oct 31, 2021 21:51:49 GMT
Dundee got hammered so if The season is continuing the way it is, we're in trouble.
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Post by wgray on Nov 2, 2021 16:45:12 GMT
I wonder how many players we’ll have for this game? We expect Domingue to be out, we could do with Baillargeon back for this one really. I was hoping we would have had an update from the club stating that they’re trying to bring some IR cover in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 19:07:02 GMT
I wonder how many players we’ll have for this game? We expect Domingue to be out, we could do with Baillargeon back for this one really. I was hoping we would have had an update from the club stating that they’re trying to bring some IR cover in. Panthers are going the whole season without bringing anyone in as cover aren't they ? |
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 2, 2021 20:53:26 GMT
MCP has played for Peterborough, so I expect him back too
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Post by wgray on Nov 3, 2021 0:44:52 GMT
MCP has played for Peterborough, so I expect him back too Good point, I forgot about Morgan, looks like the young lads are going to have a big chance to prove themselves this weekend. |
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Post by wgray on Nov 3, 2021 0:50:39 GMT
I wonder how many players we’ll have for this game? We expect Domingue to be out, we could do with Baillargeon back for this one really. I was hoping we would have had an update from the club stating that they’re trying to bring some IR cover in. Panthers are going the whole season without bringing anyone in as cover aren't they ? Doucet has previously said they’ll make a move if the right person becomes available but I didn’t know if they were going to take a chance on someone considering the current situation. We don’t know the answer, as discussed on the injuries thread, but what is the point of putting players on IR if you’re not going to sign anybody temporarily? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 8:07:50 GMT
There is no point.. they are using IR purely so they don't have to pay them not for what it's supposed to be for.. more money grabbing I'm afraid.. the IR works in NA as they assign and send players through their systems to cover etc totally pointless in this league
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Post by Walitzer on Nov 3, 2021 10:09:39 GMT
There is no point.. they are using IR purely so they don't have to pay them not for what it's supposed to be for.. more money grabbing I'm afraid.. the IR works in NA as they assign and send players through their systems to cover etc totally pointless in this league There is nothing in the public EIHL roster regulations that dictates whether or not players will recieve full salary while on Injury Leave, the stated use is purely to allow teams to bring in cover. Now unless you have knowledge as to the specific contracts of the players currently listed and details of the Panther's player insurance policies, you are spreading misinformation based on spite.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 12:19:27 GMT
There is no point.. they are using IR purely so they don't have to pay them not for what it's supposed to be for.. more money grabbing I'm afraid.. the IR works in NA as they assign and send players through their systems to cover etc totally pointless in this league There is nothing in the public EIHL roster regulations that dictates whether or not players will recieve full salary while on Injury Leave, the stated use is purely to allow teams to bring in cover. Now unless you have knowledge as to the specific contracts of the players currently listed and details of the Panther's player insurance policies, you are spreading misinformation based on spite. Well explain to me then why numerous players have been placed on injury reserve but not one's roster spot as been filled ? Unless these clubs don't actually know what purpose it's for and it just tries to make them/the league look professional/fancy |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Nov 3, 2021 12:31:05 GMT
There is nothing in the public EIHL roster regulations that dictates whether or not players will recieve full salary while on Injury Leave, the stated use is purely to allow teams to bring in cover. Now unless you have knowledge as to the specific contracts of the players currently listed and details of the Panther's player insurance policies, you are spreading misinformation based on spite. Well explain to me then why numerous players have been placed on injury reserve but not one's roster spot as been filled ? Unless these clubs don't actually know what purpose it's for and it just tries to make them/the league look professional/fancy Because it gives them the chance to bring in someone if they know they're definitely not going to be back before that. Like I said in my post about possible insurance kicking in, anything else is just pure speculation at this point As for not bringing anyone in: interview on website with Gui today's saying that finding even temporary cover in the current player market is harder than it's ever been |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Nov 3, 2021 12:33:00 GMT
There is no point.. they are using IR purely so they don't have to pay them not for what it's supposed to be for.. more money grabbing I'm afraid.. the IR works in NA as they assign and send players through their systems to cover etc totally pointless in this league There is no evidence for this Pidge. If you have some post it. Otherwise acknowledge it's pure speculation as I did in my post about possible IR insurance implications |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Nov 3, 2021 12:41:23 GMT
MCP has played for Peterborough, so I expect him back too Good point, I forgot about Morgan, looks like the young lads are going to have a big chance to prove themselves this weekend. Announced today that he's been removed from IR and fit to return. Domingue has been added to IR Interview with Gui today suggests their still looking for the "right player" to bring into the squad. On the upside, we've already qualified for the CC so we have 3 of the next few games that are basically meaningless games in terms of results with a depleted squad |
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Post by Walitzer on Nov 3, 2021 12:42:27 GMT
There is nothing in the public EIHL roster regulations that dictates whether or not players will recieve full salary while on Injury Leave, the stated use is purely to allow teams to bring in cover. Now unless you have knowledge as to the specific contracts of the players currently listed and details of the Panther's player insurance policies, you are spreading misinformation based on spite. Well explain to me then why numerous players have been placed on injury reserve but not one's roster spot as been filled ? Unless these clubs don't actually know what purpose it's for and it just tries to make them/the league look professional/fancy I can't explain it, but I do not claim to know, unlike yourself.
Panthers could be screwing over Players and not paying them.
It's possible that the Panthers could have insurance policies to cover player salaries when injured and this is a cost saving exercise.
It's also possible that Gui is looking for 1 or 2 short-term signings to bring in ASAP and wants to space to be available.
There could even be a secretive EIHL program to collectively support teams with long-term injury problems that Panthers are taking advantage of.
Speculation as to why Panthers are reserve listing players is obviously fine. But you wrote your opinion as a statement of fact, which unless you can provide evidence for, it is not.
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 3, 2021 12:46:05 GMT
There is nothing in the public EIHL roster regulations that dictates whether or not players will recieve full salary while on Injury Leave, the stated use is purely to allow teams to bring in cover. Now unless you have knowledge as to the specific contracts of the players currently listed and details of the Panther's player insurance policies, you are spreading misinformation based on spite. Well explain to me then why numerous players have been placed on injury reserve but not one's roster spot as been filled ? Unless these clubs don't actually know what purpose it's for and it just tries to make them/the league look professional/fancy I highly doubt any player would sign in the EIHL if they get zero pay when injured. If I was to hypothesis about a financial benefit to the IR, it would be that it can be used to reduce your contributions to a "wage cap", allowing you to spend more later on, but that it is with literally zero proof or knowledge. Just a thought exercise. It would also count in favour of sides not signing a full quota if you can save your cap up for later. |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Nov 3, 2021 12:46:09 GMT
Well explain to me then why numerous players have been placed on injury reserve but not one's roster spot as been filled ? Unless these clubs don't actually know what purpose it's for and it just tries to make them/the league look professional/fancy I can't explain it, but I do not claim to know, unlike yourself. Panthers could be screwing over Players and not paying them.
It's possible that the Panthers could have insurance policies to cover player salaries when injured and this is a cost saving exercise.
It's also possible that Gui is looking for 1 or 2 short-term signings to bring in ASAP and wants to space to be available. There could even be a secretive EIHL program to collectively support teams with long-term injury problems that Panthers are taking advantage of.
Speculation as to why Panthers are reserve listing players is obviously fine. But you wrote your opinion as a statement of fact, which unless you can provide evidence for, it is not.
Gui stated today that they are looking for injury cover, as well as the "right player" to bring in. So injury cover has public verification now |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 13:17:58 GMT
There is no point.. they are using IR purely so they don't have to pay them not for what it's supposed to be for.. more money grabbing I'm afraid.. the IR works in NA as they assign and send players through their systems to cover etc totally pointless in this league There is no evidence for this Pidge. If you have some post it. Otherwise acknowledge it's pure speculation as I did in my post about possible IR insurance implications You're right I have no evidence.. but I do know panthers have made a rep for being penny pinchers .. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 13:19:53 GMT
What I find bizarre is why has this suddenly become a thing when panthers have been getting injuries on their roster for years and years .. I just find it all a bit strange
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 13:25:47 GMT
Domingue being our for a few weeks gives a perfect opportunity for panthers to give his minutes to someone like Jack Hopkins instead of lumbering about with 2.5 lines risking further injuries to the roster!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 13:26:48 GMT
Well explain to me then why numerous players have been placed on injury reserve but not one's roster spot as been filled ? Unless these clubs don't actually know what purpose it's for and it just tries to make them/the league look professional/fancy I highly doubt any player would sign in the EIHL if they get zero pay when injured. If I was to hypothesis about a financial benefit to the IR, it would be that it can be used to reduce your contributions to a "wage cap", allowing you to spend more later on, but that it is with literally zero proof or knowledge. Just a thought exercise. It would also count in favour of sides not signing a full quota if you can save your cap up for later. Oh they still get a wage if they are on long term injury list |
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Post by iginla on Nov 3, 2021 13:52:44 GMT
What I find bizarre is why has this suddenly become a thing when panthers have been getting injuries on their roster for years and years .. I just find it all a bit strange I just find it strange that they are allowing up to seven changes as a limit,because I highly doubt whether many if any EIHL team has ever changed seven imports in a season. Even Panthers in their days of bringing in some short term Euro imports would struggle to have got to seven. You would have to make a real mess up of your initial roster to change seven players and five or six of the ten teams wouldn’t even be able to afford to change seven even if they wanted to. That rather flies in the face of reducing roster size to help the smaller teams compete with the big boys. As far as insurance goes,all I’d say is about three years ago I brought up the subject of player insurance with a member of Panthers coaching team....and he just laughed as if I was talking complete nonsense even thinking it existed ! |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 3, 2021 13:53:33 GMT
Well explain to me then why numerous players have been placed on injury reserve but not one's roster spot as been filled ? Unless these clubs don't actually know what purpose it's for and it just tries to make them/the league look professional/fancy I highly doubt any player would sign in the EIHL if they get zero pay when injured. If I was to hypothesis about a financial benefit to the IR, it would be that it can be used to reduce your contributions to a "wage cap", allowing you to spend more later on, but that it is with literally zero proof or knowledge. Just a thought exercise. It would also count in favour of sides not signing a full quota if you can save your cap up for later. Yes knew a couple quite well back in the sponsorship days and they are paid injured or not. One particular year they missed out on the win bonus when we won the league (the only time I heard there was a win bonus). |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 3, 2021 13:55:43 GMT
What I find bizarre is why has this suddenly become a thing when panthers have been getting injuries on their roster for years and years .. I just find it all a bit strange I just find it strange that they are allowing up to seven changes as a limit,because I highly doubt whether many if any EIHL team has ever changed seven imports in a season. Even Panthers in their days of bringing in some short term Euro imports would struggle to have got to seven. You would have to make a real mess up of your initial roster to change seven players and five or six of the ten teams wouldn’t even be able to afford to change seven even if they wanted to. That rather flies in the face of reducing roster size to help the smaller teams compete with the big boys. As far as insurance goes,all I’d say is about three years ago I brought up the subject of player insurance with a member of Panthers coaching team....and he just laughed as if I was talking complete nonsense even thinking it existed ! I always chortle when the fabled players insurance gets mentioned  |
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Post by wgray on Nov 3, 2021 18:33:58 GMT
Well explain to me then why numerous players have been placed on injury reserve but not one's roster spot as been filled ? Unless these clubs don't actually know what purpose it's for and it just tries to make them/the league look professional/fancy I highly doubt any player would sign in the EIHL if they get zero pay when injured. If I was to hypothesis about a financial benefit to the IR, it would be that it can be used to reduce your contributions to a "wage cap", allowing you to spend more later on, but that it is with literally zero proof or knowledge. Just a thought exercise. It would also count in favour of sides not signing a full quota if you can save your cap up for later. That would make sense. Accumulate space which can be used later. It would have been nice if the league posted some information about the setup of IR before the season started, but I suppose that’s asking too much😂 |
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Post by iginla on Nov 3, 2021 19:01:27 GMT
I highly doubt any player would sign in the EIHL if they get zero pay when injured. If I was to hypothesis about a financial benefit to the IR, it would be that it can be used to reduce your contributions to a "wage cap", allowing you to spend more later on, but that it is with literally zero proof or knowledge. Just a thought exercise. It would also count in favour of sides not signing a full quota if you can save your cap up for later. That would make sense. Accumulate space which can be used later. It would have been nice of the league posted some information about the setup of IR before the season started, but I suppose that’s asking too much😂 Well that’s it and where they’ve gone wrong again as usual,giving fans half a story and fuelling natural speculation as to just what the point of IR is or what the teams are up to. Don’t forget changes can’t even be made after the signing deadline either so what happens after that date. Have they even thought that far ahead ? |
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