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Post by Shaggy on Jan 19, 2020 21:05:10 GMT
What happened to their NHL beating team? It was a misprint... NIHL beating team...
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Post by jd on Jan 20, 2020 10:44:02 GMT
And there we go, Pelech 5+Game Checking to the head, Sheffield score on the resulting powerplay to make it 2-1😂 According to the Belfast media guy there’s absolutely no way it was a check to the neck/head. We shall see in time if he’s right. Never a check to the head, shocking call
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Post by wgray on Jan 20, 2020 11:09:00 GMT
According to the Belfast media guy there’s absolutely no way it was a check to the neck/head. We shall see in time if he’s right. Never a check to the head, shocking call The refs didn’t cover themselves in glory there, no doubt the Sheffield fans spat their dummy out though, which probably didn’t help Pelech’s case.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 11:15:17 GMT
Ive never known a fanbase as blinkered as Sheffield!.. moan and winge at the cleanest of hits amongst all other non incidents more often than not they influence the refs decisions up there.. last night I said Pelech was a liability but he was throwing some dodgy hits at the start of the season.. last night that was never a hit to the head.. he should have that 5+game rescinded asap!
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 20, 2020 22:53:47 GMT
Check out the replays at about 4:47:- <link>Late hit? - absolutely. Hit to head or neck? - absolutely not.
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Post by bobness on Jan 21, 2020 9:10:58 GMT
Check out the replays at about 4:47:- <link>Late hit? - absolutely. Hit to head or neck? - absolutely not. Tend to agree, late or otherwise, that's a hit to the top of the shoulder, not "head or neck". Don't think it made a difference to the result, but that's a duff call, in retrospect. Watch DOPS rescind the penalty and then ban him for pushing the barrier over...
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Post by blackpanther2011 on Jan 21, 2020 9:50:45 GMT
Only in Sheffield would you get called for that, for me yes i agree a late hit after the puck has gone and in my eyes a cross check but NEVER a 5+G, just goes to show that Sheffield has to hide behind Blind refs and can’t win fair. That is the only way can steelers win, that and 5 on 3 PPs. Oh and i might add the dsa arena has more logo’s than a B&Q store
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Post by BigLad on Jan 21, 2020 13:29:04 GMT
Interference penalty, nothing more.
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Post by kgw on Jan 21, 2020 16:48:18 GMT
Only in Sheffield would you get called for that, for me yes i agree a late hit after the puck has gone and in my eyes a cross check but NEVER a 5+G, just goes to show that Sheffield has to hide behind Blind refs and can’t win fair. That is the only way can steelers win, that and 5 on 3 PPs. Oh and i might add the dsa arena has more logo’s than a B&Q store I agree it's the wrong call but how does the Sheffield team have control over what's being called by the refs? The fans in any rink or arena would be making a noise at that hit and it's up to the ref not to let it influence his decision. Also, why is being able to score on a 5 on 3 pp seen as a negative? Surely the fact that they can put away power play chances means they deserve to win. Power play goals don't count any less than full strength goals. Your post doesn't make too much sense.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 21, 2020 16:58:58 GMT
just goes to show that Sheffield has to hide behind Blind refs and can’t win fair. That is the only way can steelers win, that and 5 on 3 PPs. Utter rubbish I'm afraid.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 21, 2020 16:59:32 GMT
Only in Sheffield would you get called for that, for me yes i agree a late hit after the puck has gone and in my eyes a cross check but NEVER a 5+G, just goes to show that Sheffield has to hide behind Blind refs and can’t win fair. That is the only way can steelers win, that and 5 on 3 PPs. Oh and i might add the dsa arena has more logo’s than a B&Q store I agree it's the wrong call but how does the Sheffield team have control over what's being called by the refs? The fans in any rink or arena would be making a noise at that hit and it's up to the ref not to let it influence his decision. Also, why is being able to score on a 5 on 3 pp seen as a negative? Surely the fact that they can put away power play chances means they deserve to win. Power play goals don't count any less than full strength goals. Your post doesn't make too much sense. Correct, it doesn't. Move on & ignore would be my advice.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 21, 2020 17:43:24 GMT
Only in Sheffield would you get called for that, for me yes i agree a late hit after the puck has gone and in my eyes a cross check but NEVER a 5+G, just goes to show that Sheffield has to hide behind Blind refs and can’t win fair. That is the only way can steelers win, that and 5 on 3 PPs. Oh and i might add the dsa arena has more logo’s than a B&Q store The only way Steelers can win? I would give your head a wobble mate. They score for fun.
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Post by bobness on Jan 21, 2020 18:09:34 GMT
Only in Sheffield would you get called for that, for me yes i agree a late hit after the puck has gone and in my eyes a cross check but NEVER a 5+G, just goes to show that Sheffield has to hide behind Blind refs and can’t win fair. That is the only way can steelers win, that and 5 on 3 PPs. Oh and i might add the dsa arena has more logo’s than a B&Q store The only way Steelers can win? I would give your head a wobble mate. They score for fun. Steelers have scored 46 PPGs, out of their phenomenal 167 goals scored, which is essentially a goal a game, at least, on average more than any other EIHL team. Their 121 even strength (or SH) goals is more than any other team has scored full stop, bar Coventry. And their 23.68% PP isn't even close to being the best in the league... It's an astonishing set of goal stats. Panthers equivalent is 20 PPGs out of 108.
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Post by wgray on Jan 21, 2020 18:14:51 GMT
The only way Steelers can win? I would give your head a wobble mate. They score for fun. Steelers have scored 46 PPGs, out of their phenomenal 167 goals scored, which is essentially a goal a game, at least, on average more than any other EIHL team. Their 121 even strength (or SH) goals is more than any other team has scored full stop, bar Coventry. And their 23.68% PP isn't even close to being the best in the league... It's an astonishing set of goal stats. Panthers equivalent is 20 PPGs out of 108. So Sheffield on average get the most powerplay opportunities per game then?
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Post by wolfmac on Jan 21, 2020 18:25:38 GMT
Somebody on twitter made the observation that the current Panthers and Steelers teams are basically an inversion of our older styles in past title races. Panthers are now the grinders while Steelers now unleash the artillery for fun.
Although I have to say I don’t think I’ve ever seen this type of goal machine in the league before. 167 goals from 38 games is the sort of stat you’d expect from old BNL champions who’d regularly beat Grimsby Bulldogs 29-0. Hard to see how it won’t get crazier if Fox makes the right defensive tweaks in the offseason (although with the new import rules coming in, a few will have to go and if they have similar injury problems next season with limited replacement rules, it could undo them completely).
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 21, 2020 22:44:58 GMT
Somebody on twitter made the observation that the current Panthers and Steelers teams are basically an inversion of our older styles in past title races. Panthers are now the grinders while Steelers now unleash the artillery for fun. Although I have to say I don’t think I’ve ever seen this type of goal machine in the league before. 167 goals from 38 games is the sort of stat you’d expect from old BNL champions who’d regularly beat Grimsby Bulldogs 29-0. Hard to see how it won’t get crazier if Fox makes the right defensive tweaks in the offseason (although with the new import rules coming in, a few will have to go and if they have similar injury problems next season with limited replacement rules, it could undo them completely). That could be the same for all teams. If we didn't have Herr and our D scoring we would be propping up Fife right now.
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Post by bobness on Jan 22, 2020 13:30:45 GMT
Steelers have scored 46 PPGs, out of their phenomenal 167 goals scored, which is essentially a goal a game, at least, on average more than any other EIHL team. Their 121 even strength (or SH) goals is more than any other team has scored full stop, bar Coventry. And their 23.68% PP isn't even close to being the best in the league... It's an astonishing set of goal stats. Panthers equivalent is 20 PPGs out of 108. So Sheffield on average get the most powerplay opportunities per game then? 46 goals at .2368% (per EIHL site) is 194 opportunities. Cardiff have a higher conversion rate (28.15%) and have scored 40 goals, so 142 opportunities. Panthers are 20 goals at 16.00%, which is 125 opportunities (pretty close to "my" count of 129). Blaze have 32 goals at 0.2057 = 156 opps. I CBA to do the rest. Steelers maybe get 1 PP opp per game than the rest of the league? Good position to be in. I thus assume that Steelers are indeed leading the league in PP opportunities, but someone has to, and maybe they are good at drawing legit penalties? Perlini and Sam Herr both have 4 PPGs, well down the list. Connolly, Ferrara and Vallerand each have 9.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 13:56:37 GMT
Somebody on twitter made the observation that the current Panthers and Steelers teams are basically an inversion of our older styles in past title races. Panthers are now the grinders while Steelers now unleash the artillery for fun. Although I have to say I don’t think I’ve ever seen this type of goal machine in the league before. 167 goals from 38 games is the sort of stat you’d expect from old BNL champions who’d regularly beat Grimsby Bulldogs 29-0. Hard to see how it won’t get crazier if Fox makes the right defensive tweaks in the offseason (although with the new import rules coming in, a few will have to go and if they have similar injury problems next season with limited replacement rules, it could undo them completely). That could be the same for all teams. If we didn't have Herr and our D scoring we would be propping up Fife right now. If Geoff Hirst didn't score a hatrick in 1966 England may not have been world champs! ..
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 22, 2020 14:16:40 GMT
That could be the same for all teams. If we didn't have Herr and our D scoring we would be propping up Fife right now. If Geoff Hirst didn't score a hatrick in 1966 England may not have been world champs! .. If my auntie had balls she'd have been my uncle.
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Post by wgray on Jan 22, 2020 14:18:40 GMT
So Sheffield on average get the most powerplay opportunities per game then? 46 goals at .2368% (per EIHL site) is 194 opportunities. Cardiff have a higher conversion rate (28.15%) and have scored 40 goals, so 142 opportunities. Panthers are 20 goals at 16.00%, which is 125 opportunities (pretty close to "my" count of 129). Blaze have 32 goals at 0.2057 = 156 opps. I CBA to do the rest. Steelers maybe get 1 PP opp per game than the rest of the league? Good position to be in. I thus assume that Steelers are indeed leading the league in PP opportunities, but someone has to, and maybe they are good at drawing legit penalties? Perlini and Sam Herr both have 4 PPGs, well down the list. Connolly, Ferrara and Vallerand each have 9. I agree, they are good at drawing penalties, they’ve got the offence to pressure teams into drawing them, but I feel at the same time a lot of their players go looking for them. The next time we play them we must be wise and maintain our discipline.
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Post by bobness on Jan 22, 2020 14:36:17 GMT
46 goals at .2368% (per EIHL site) is 194 opportunities. Cardiff have a higher conversion rate (28.15%) and have scored 40 goals, so 142 opportunities. Panthers are 20 goals at 16.00%, which is 125 opportunities (pretty close to "my" count of 129). Blaze have 32 goals at 0.2057 = 156 opps. I CBA to do the rest. Steelers maybe get 1 PP opp per game than the rest of the league? Good position to be in. I thus assume that Steelers are indeed leading the league in PP opportunities, but someone has to, and maybe they are good at drawing legit penalties? Perlini and Sam Herr both have 4 PPGs, well down the list. Connolly, Ferrara and Vallerand each have 9. I agree, they are good at drawing penalties, they’ve got the offence to pressure teams into drawing them, but I feel at the same time a lot of their players go looking for them. The next time we play them we must be wise and maintain our discipline. Agreed. Smart teams who stay out of the box tend to beat Sheffield. There just don't seem to many of them just now.
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Post by wolfmac on Jan 22, 2020 15:59:11 GMT
I agree, they are good at drawing penalties, they’ve got the offence to pressure teams into drawing them, but I feel at the same time a lot of their players go looking for them. The next time we play them we must be wise and maintain our discipline. Agreed. Smart teams who stay out of the box tend to beat Sheffield. There just don't seem to many of them just now. Not sure that’s true. All of Sheffield’s goals against Cardiff were even-strength on Saturday, and all of their goals against Panthers for the last FOUR fixtures have been even-handed (plus two shorties), losing only once. I think it’s more a case of fitness and, now, their reputation for the 3rd period onslaught preceding them, which other teams fear and can do very little about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 16:14:47 GMT
This thread is turning into a 'who can stop the Steelers/steelers can hold their own against a NHL team' thread 😁😂
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Post by iginla on Jan 22, 2020 17:33:52 GMT
So Sheffield on average get the most powerplay opportunities per game then? 46 goals at .2368% (per EIHL site) is 194 opportunities. Cardiff have a higher conversion rate (28.15%) and have scored 40 goals, so 142 opportunities. Panthers are 20 goals at 16.00%, which is 125 opportunities (pretty close to "my" count of 129). Blaze have 32 goals at 0.2057 = 156 opps. I CBA to do the rest. Steelers maybe get 1 PP opp per game than the rest of the league? Good position to be in. I thus assume that Steelers are indeed leading the league in PP opportunities, but someone has to, and maybe they are good at drawing legit penalties? Perlini and Sam Herr both have 4 PPGs, well down the list. Connolly, Ferrara and Vallerand each have 9. Crikey that’s not just leading the league in PP opportunities that’s being absolutely miles and miles ahead. I know Steelers have played a couple more games but how can a team be that far in front on PP chances.....65 more than Panthers ? 😳
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Post by wgray on Jan 22, 2020 18:27:10 GMT
Agreed. Smart teams who stay out of the box tend to beat Sheffield. There just don't seem to many of them just now. Not sure that’s true. All of Sheffield’s goals against Cardiff were even-strength on Saturday, and all of their goals against Panthers for the last FOUR fixtures have been even-handed (plus two shorties), losing only once. I think it’s more a case of fitness and, now, their reputation for the 3rd period onslaught preceding them, which other teams fear and can do very little about. I’m not meaning to shoot you down but 2 of their 5 goals against Cardiff on Saturday were with the man advantage. Against us Sheffield haven’t been picking up PP goals but maybe that’s to do with the discipline we’ve been showing. 5-4 OT less they only had 4 PP opportunities. 3-1 loss (with an ENG) they had 4 PP opportunites, bearing in mind Fick also received 5+G. 3-2 loss they had 1 PP opportunity. 3-2 OT win they had 3 PP opportunities. On the whole Sheffield haven’t been racking up the goals against us in the same way that they have against other teams, and I believe that is down to how few PP chances we’ve given them. Stay disciplined and it gives you every chance of beating them.
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