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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 23:28:49 GMT
There is only you who is not happy, oh and your rear gunner ftm. I can't believe you won't accept the stats re Kolnik and Nikiforuk. I've said more than once on this thread that my opinion is that he will be a good player. I'm not massively happy with how Panthers are run overall or this seasons recruitment to be honest but I have no individual problem with this signing. Should be a good player in the EIHL. So why the 'meh' then? Make up your mind
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Post by iginla on Aug 4, 2016 23:43:46 GMT
I've said more than once on this thread that my opinion is that he will be a good player. I'm not massively happy with how Panthers are run overall or this seasons recruitment to be honest but I have no individual problem with this signing. Should be a good player in the EIHL. So why the 'meh' then? Make up your mind Because he isn't the real quality stud signing we needed Pidge. Look at the comparison in what we have swopped from last years team ? Dimmen for Macdonald Sertich for Quick Carter for Bohmbach Lindhagen for Mosey NIkiforuk for Kolnik Nobody for Myers So in a league in which every team has upgraded,where is this years Panthers squad upgraded,because other than arguably Sertich i can't see it. In fact I would say we are somewhat weaker than last year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 23:52:31 GMT
So why the 'meh' then? Make up your mind Because he isn't the real quality stud signing we needed Pidge. Look at the comparison in what we have swopped from last years team ? Dimmen for Macdonald Sertich for Quick Carter for Bohmbach Lindhagen for Mosey NIkiforuk for Kolnik Nobody for Myers So in a league in which every team has upgraded,where is this years Panthers squad upgraded,because other than arguably Sertich i can't see it. In fact I would say we are somewhat weaker than last year. Where's the guarantee Sertich will be good? You totally miss my point on the above. Firstly he says meh to this guy then finishes by saying he ll be a good player in this league. You are totally obsessed about this 'stud' of a player we haven't got. As long as he gets between 25-30 goals (which I think he will) I couldn't care less tbh. Kolnik only managed 32 anyway. All these other superstars you're creaming about ain't going to be getting 30 goals each either. Some I guarantee will be disappointing.
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Post by iginla on Aug 5, 2016 0:05:34 GMT
Because he isn't the real quality stud signing we needed Pidge. Look at the comparison in what we have swopped from last years team ? Dimmen for Macdonald Sertich for Quick Carter for Bohmbach Lindhagen for Mosey NIkiforuk for Kolnik Nobody for Myers So in a league in which every team has upgraded,where is this years Panthers squad upgraded,because other than arguably Sertich i can't see it. In fact I would say we are somewhat weaker than last year. Where's the guarantee Sertich will be good? You totally miss my point on the above. Firstly he says meh to this guy then finishes by saying he ll be a good player in this league. You are totally obsessed about this 'stud' of a player we haven't got. As long as he gets between 25-30 goals (which I think he will) I couldn't care less tbh. Kolnik only managed 32 anyway. All these other superstars you're creaming about ain't going to be getting 30 goals each either. Some I guarantee will be disappointing. He says it because when we all thought we were getting Kolnik or better we didn't get it. NIkiforuk will be a decent player yes,good enough to make a big difference though,I don't think so. I asked a fair question,the league seems by general opinion to have upgraded....where have Panthers upgraded on last year to make the difference ?
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 5, 2016 0:30:27 GMT
I've said more than once on this thread that my opinion is that he will be a good player. I'm not massively happy with how Panthers are run overall or this seasons recruitment to be honest but I have no individual problem with this signing. Should be a good player in the EIHL. So why the 'meh' then? Make up your mind The meh is for the roster as a whole and the fact that in my opinion we've downgraded from last season. I can still believe that Nikiforuk will be a good EIHL player while retaining the belief that we've probably downgraded on Kolnik.
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Post by Mozzy on Aug 5, 2016 1:23:31 GMT
As an outsider looking in, I can see both sides here. He'll clearly be a point a game player in this league but there are plenty of them around to be fair. His goals output isn't great over the last few seasons. Still think he'll score 25-30 for you though. The trouble as I see it and I think where Iginla is coming from, is you needed more than that.
Still believe your final forward needed to be a true sniper, this guy isn't that. Of course, as a playmaker, he may supply another of your forwards to lift their output.
Good signing but not one to make people look over their shoulder. Imo of course.
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Post by Doom on Aug 5, 2016 6:28:46 GMT
I was expecting something more from your final import forward. To me you looked light on goals compared to both Sheffield and Cardiff and I was expecting your final forward to be a 30+ goal player, but I don't see this guy getting above 25. His numbers in Denmark were very good, but that was 4 seasons ago and if he relies on his speed as suggested, at his age that maybe starting to go slightly, as we've seen with other players like Kent Simpson and Rod Stevens. I think a better indication would be his numbers in Switzerland in 2014/15 - Nikiforuk 9 + 24 from 38 games, Desmarais 24 + 44 from 48 games. He'll be a decent player, but I was expecting someone at least equal to Kolnik and possibly better, but this guy looks a slight downgrade to me. Overall I think I'll have you about 25 - 30 goals shy of both Sheffield and Cardiff, having said that, I think this season you look the strongest in the league at the back end, so maybe it will be a championship winning season built on low scoring victories (that now guarantees your first game will be an 8 - 7 blowout ). Regards Doom
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 6:40:51 GMT
Where's the guarantee Sertich will be good? You totally miss my point on the above. Firstly he says meh to this guy then finishes by saying he ll be a good player in this league. You are totally obsessed about this 'stud' of a player we haven't got. As long as he gets between 25-30 goals (which I think he will) I couldn't care less tbh. Kolnik only managed 32 anyway. All these other superstars you're creaming about ain't going to be getting 30 goals each either. Some I guarantee will be disappointing. He says it because when we all thought we were getting Kolnik or better we didn't get it. NIkiforuk will be a decent player yes,good enough to make a big difference though,I don't think so. I asked a fair question,the league seems by general opinion to have upgraded....where have Panthers upgraded on last year to make the difference ? The opinion in the summer is the league seems to have upgraded every year... til you start watching in the first few weeks then you realise not much has changed. You should know most only come here to wind down their careers/retire. I tell you what there won't be much into between the top 5 teams all season!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 6:47:48 GMT
Also if you genuinely thought we'd get a player better than kolnik. We'd be looking at a point a game ahl er . That ain't happening I never expected us to get. Those players head off to the NLA and SEL leagues of this world. We got lucky with Kolnik as he was winging his career down hence playing in the LNAH before here.
Forger if we're the biggest team on the planet it's how much of a budget Neil Black is prepared to provide
My biggest issue about all this is getting all the players here inside a week so they can prepare for the clan game with some icetime and actually have a pre season camp. You don't want players missing that and the France trip then going straight into league action on a Scotland 3 dayer!
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Post by dexter on Aug 5, 2016 7:21:44 GMT
Thanks to Mozzy and Doom for a good objective analysis without all of the sniping that's been going on in this thread. Unfortunately I tend to agree with their views.
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Post by Gilly on Aug 5, 2016 8:37:24 GMT
Pretty pleased with this signing. My only hesitation is his size, if he can deal with the more physical side of things he could be a star, if he can't he'll be going the same way as Chris Capraro. 13-14 & 14-15 he was the top points scorer on a pretty low scoring Küsnacht Lions side in a good league whilst also wearing an "A". And as people has pointed out before has scored very well in comparison with other players we've labelled at "stud" at their respective teams. Not the sniper i thought we'd be getting, but a dynamic player who will create havoc with his undoubted speed and soft hands. I'd therefore expect Schultz to step into more of a shooter role as he seemed to be carrying out at the start of last season before the injury. just Lepine to go and get now
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Post by iginla on Aug 5, 2016 8:43:54 GMT
Thanks to Mozzy and Doom for a good objective analysis without all of the sniping that's been going on in this thread. Unfortunately I tend to agree with their views. I agree Dexter. Two excellent posts from Doom and Mozzy and spot on the mark,if their Steelers team had signed him we as Panthers fans wouldn't be overly worried. He will be a decent player,but we do look light though,which is all I was saying in the first place.
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Post by fishman on Aug 5, 2016 8:48:53 GMT
Give him protection he needs via Cam and he will great, he can play center that for me is important, Panther look better balanced side with this guy in!!!!!!!!
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Post by sevcik on Aug 5, 2016 9:21:54 GMT
This thread makes interesting reading thanks to the usual suspects.... As others have said before I think Nikiforuk will be a good playerin this league but is certainly not a 'stud' However AHL/ECHL stats whilst an indicator of a players ability arent the be all and end all. There are plenty of players who signed in the SEL or Liiga straight from college and stayed there many years and/or went on to play in other leagues better quality than the EIHL. The general consensus is that Andy Sertich is a 'stud' signing because of multiple seasons in higher quality European leagues than this. Yet his north American stats arent overly special..... had we signed him straight from the ECHL some would categorize jom as an average signing..... How many know he mainly played as a forward up to the end of his college years? As ive previously stated no matter the perceived quality or not of this latest signing it will make little difference in terms of offence, as on paper (we all know trophies arent won on paper) we still look weak compared to over half of the rest of the league to this point- and some teams still have forwards to sign..... How anyone can categorically state that Matt Carter will provide decent offence is beyond me. He may do but his previous history show this is not a foregone conclusion and as such is a risk. Carter is only here to appease the bigger risk than is Lawrence. Why Neilson went along with that is a mystery..... Actually it isnt.
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Post by BlogFromBlock15! on Aug 5, 2016 9:32:12 GMT
People need to leave ignila alone. This is a forum where people can offer opinions whether they be positive or negative, doesn't make them any less valid.
Have you considered that ignila, like all of us, just want the panthers to win? He may be portrayed as negative but that's because he wants the signings we are capable of and our continued support and money deserve.
I have been a season ticket holder for 5 years and I am already bored with the continual cycle of under recruiting, failed league campaigns and then stringing together a few games in a row to win a trophy.
I want panthers to be the best they can be, season after season, for the passion that we show them to be reciprocated as opposed to yet another opportunity to make some money. I suspect ignila feels exactly the same.
People can be positive, negative or indifferent but the common theme remains the same, we love the sport. But please can we try and do this whilst allowing people to have their own opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 9:33:23 GMT
Thanks to Mozzy and Doom for a good objective analysis without all of the sniping that's been going on in this thread. Unfortunately I tend to agree with their views. I agree Dexter. Two excellent posts from Doom and Mozzy and spot on the mark,if their Steelers team had signed him we as Panthers fans wouldn't be overly worried. He will be a decent player,but we do look light though,which is all I was saying in the first place. This guy is very comparable to Alex Foster who giants signed, a player you were raving about. He's scored 32 goals in 3 season's. Yup another goal machine. You say we are lightweight but there's only on team with a average height and weight higher than ours which is Cardiffs and we still have a 200lb plus d man to arrive .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 9:35:18 GMT
People need to leave ignila alone. This is a forum where people can offer opinions whether they be positive or negative, doesn't make them any less valid. Have you considered that ignila, like all of us, just want the panthers to win? He may be portrayed as negative but that's because he wants the signings we are capable of and our continued support and money deserve. I have been a season ticket holder for 5 years and I am already bored with the continual cycle of under recruiting, failed league campaigns and then stringing together a few games in a row to win a trophy. I want panthers to be the best they can be, season after season, for the passion that we show them to be reciprocated as opposed to yet another opportunity to make some money. I suspect ignila feels exactly the same. People can be positive, negative or indifferent but the common theme remains the same, we love the sport. But please can we try and do this whilst allowing people to have their own opinions. Jeez! A massive 5 years ... try 27 years...
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Post by Mozzy on Aug 5, 2016 9:50:05 GMT
People need to leave ignila alone. This is a forum where people can offer opinions whether they be positive or negative, doesn't make them any less valid. Have you considered that ignila, like all of us, just want the panthers to win? He may be portrayed as negative but that's because he wants the signings we are capable of and our continued support and money deserve. I have been a season ticket holder for 5 years and I am already bored with the continual cycle of under recruiting, failed league campaigns and then stringing together a few games in a row to win a trophy. I want panthers to be the best they can be, season after season, for the passion that we show them to be reciprocated as opposed to yet another opportunity to make some money. I suspect ignila feels exactly the same. People can be positive, negative or indifferent but the common theme remains the same, we love the sport. But please can we try and do this whilst allowing people to have their own opinions. Jeez! A massive 5 years ... try 27 years... Some good posts since mine and Dooms. People just want their team to be the best it can. Not sure it really matters if you've been a season ticket holder for 5 years or 27, or even if you only manage 10 games a year. Doesn't make your opinion any less valid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 9:50:45 GMT
Iginla, we're doing a live TCW Podcast on Wednesday. We'd be interested in having you come on to discuss your thoughts on the team.
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Post by mattscold on Aug 5, 2016 9:53:09 GMT
People need to leave ignila alone.... People can be positive, negative or indifferent but the common theme remains the same, we love the sport. But please can we try and do this whilst allowing people to have their own opinions. But what if their opinion is that Iginla is insufferably irritating on every single thread? Are they allowed that opinion?
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Post by Doom on Aug 5, 2016 9:59:49 GMT
I agree Dexter. Two excellent posts from Doom and Mozzy and spot on the mark,if their Steelers team had signed him we as Panthers fans wouldn't be overly worried. He will be a decent player,but we do look light though,which is all I was saying in the first place. This guy is very comparable to Alex Foster who giants signed, a player you were raving about. He's scored 32 goals in 3 season's. Yup another goal machine. You say we are lightweight but there's only on team with a average height and weight higher than ours which is Cardiffs and we still have a 200lb plus d man to arrive . I'd agree is comparable to Foster, but I don't see Foster being a top goal scorer. I think as a team if you want to score the number of goals required to win a league title, you're going to need more from your returning EIHL players. Doing a pro rata of their scoring to a 52 game season, this is the output from your returning EIHL players based on last season alone: Macmillan - 10 goals Schultz - 21 goals Moran - 16 goals Jannsen - 3 goals Lawrence - 10 goals Betteridge - 3 goals Farmer - 9 goals Clarke - 18 goals Lachowicz - 4 goals That is a very poor return from a substantial part of your forward line for the coming season. You're going to need to see significant improvement from some of those players in terms of their goal return, but maybe the new guys will provide them with better ammunition. Looking at your new forwards: Brown - Looks ok, but I'll be surprised if he exceeds 20 goals Carter - Looks like a goal scorer, I like him and can see him getting near to 30 goals. Nikiforuk - Looks a good player, but considering all the above, I was expecting a really high scoring forward and I'd say he's more a mid 20 player than a 30+ player. At the end of the day though it often comes down to chemistry. If Corey gets the right chemistry on the lines then someone who looks like a 15 goal man could well become a 25 goal man.....It happens. I suppose I'm used to seeing a Panthers squad stacked with offense, but this coming season the strength of your squad looks to be at the other end of the ice, where you have arguably the best netminder (if he stays fit) and some quality looking defencemen. Not long now until we see how the squads on paper compare with the squads on ice. Regards Doom
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Post by Stargazer on Aug 5, 2016 10:48:30 GMT
People need to leave ignila alone.... People can be positive, negative or indifferent but the common theme remains the same, we love the sport. But please can we try and do this whilst allowing people to have their own opinions. But what if their opinion is that Iginla is insufferably irritating on every single thread? Are they allowed that opinion? No because that's personal. If people are of the opinion that Inginla is 'Insufferably Irritating' then they should block him. He may offer up mostly negative opinions but that's what they are, OPINIONS. You have a choice whether to engage him in debate, or not.
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Post by Stargazer on Aug 5, 2016 10:49:37 GMT
Jeez! A massive 5 years ... try 27 years... Some good posts since mine and Dooms. People just want their team to be the best it can. Not sure it really matters if you've been a season ticket holder for 5 years or 27, or even if you only manage 10 games a year. Doesn't make your opinion any less valid. Well said!
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Post by Ghost on Aug 5, 2016 11:09:13 GMT
But what if their opinion is that Iginla is insufferably irritating on every single thread? Are they allowed that opinion? No because that's personal. If people are of the opinion that Inginla is 'Insufferably Irritating' then they should block him. He may offer up mostly negative opinions but that's what they are, OPINIONS. You have a choice whether to engage him in debate, or not. Can you please provide instructions on how to block somebody?
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Post by dill1015 on Aug 5, 2016 11:27:25 GMT
This guy is very comparable to Alex Foster who giants signed, a player you were raving about. He's scored 32 goals in 3 season's. Yup another goal machine. You say we are lightweight but there's only on team with a average height and weight higher than ours which is Cardiffs and we still have a 200lb plus d man to arrive . I'd agree is comparable to Foster, but I don't see Foster being a top goal scorer. I think as a team if you want to score the number of goals required to win a league title, you're going to need more from your returning EIHL players. Doing a pro rata of their scoring to a 52 game season, this is the output from your returning EIHL players based on last season alone: Macmillan - 10 goals Schultz - 21 goals Moran - 16 goals Jannsen - 3 goals Lawrence - 10 goals Betteridge - 3 goals Farmer - 9 goals Clarke - 18 goals Lachowicz - 4 goals That is a very poor return from a substantial part of your forward line for the coming season. You're going to need to see significant improvement from some of those players in terms of their goal return, but maybe the new guys will provide them with better ammunition. Looking at your new forwards: Brown - Looks ok, but I'll be surprised if he exceeds 20 goals Carter - Looks like a goal scorer, I like him and can see him getting near to 30 goals. Nikiforuk - Looks a good player, but considering all the above, I was expecting a really high scoring forward and I'd say he's more a mid 20 player than a 30+ player. At the end of the day though it often comes down to chemistry. If Corey gets the right chemistry on the lines then someone who looks like a 15 goal man could well become a 25 goal man.....It happens. I suppose I'm used to seeing a Panthers squad stacked with offense, but this coming season the strength of your squad looks to be at the other end of the ice, where you have arguably the best netminder (if he stays fit) and some quality looking defencemen. Not long now until we see how the squads on paper compare with the squads on ice. Regards Doom I agree with you Doom. Some of our re-signed players need to step up. Schultz is a big one and Lacho as well. Pre injury Schultz was no course to hit about 30-35 goals. So im hoping he comes back fresh and rediscovers that great form he had. He was looking good again at the playoffs. Also Lawrence will surely be put back to points scoring duty rather than checking. So again should be looking around the 25 mark. Using your numbers and putting others where i hope them to be, i reckon we get: Macmillan - 10 Schultz- 33 Moran - 16 Janssen - 3 Lawrence - 22 Beterridge - 9 (boosted because he'll play full time on a line) Clarke - 18 Farmer - 9 Lacho - 10 ( he has to improve) Brown - 15 Carter -33 Nikiforuk - 23 All our d - 35ish Total: 236 goals. Thats not actually that bad. I think you had Steelers at around 253. Obviously we need to knock about 20% off both numbers. But we're not a million miles away. However some of our guys have to have good seasons. Carter and Lawrence is key for me. That partnership has to click. They need to be aproaching 60 goals between them. If our d is as solid as it looks on paper, and we get the production im hoping for from the forwards we could in for a good season. A lot of ifs, and the game isnt played on paper. But im certainly not writing us off as a mid table team like some others are just yet.
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