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Post by grumpy on Aug 4, 2016 21:17:26 GMT
I don`t spend much time on this forum but whenever I do there does seem to be a consistent theme in the posts from iginla - I have, as yet, not detected a single positive comment. Possibly someone can correct me if I have failed to spot them. So far as the recent signings are concerned, they all have massive experience in leagues which are significantly better than The EIHL and have more than decent stats. Surely, building a successful team is a matter of blend and balance, not simply signing star performers. A different sport I know, but Leicesters performance in the premier league was a pretty good example. The EIHL will certainly be very competitive this season, as pretty well all teams have upgraded, but I am confident that we will challenge . we should certainly see some quality hockey. I have been a season ticket holder for ten years and the standard now has improved massively over that time.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 4, 2016 21:20:47 GMT
I'm sorry but I don't think it's for you to be telling other people how to feel or even more so that they shouldn't be watching the sport. I'm sure this lad will be a good player, he has a quality cv after all but it's up to me whether or not I'm disappointed with this signing and the roster. It's certainly not up to you to tell me how I should feel or what I should be doing. Try telling that to the majority of people on the site who constantly moan about stuff, spreading their excessively negative ideology. Quite fed up of people calling signings average or below average, not what we need, could do better etc.. which is just as bad as what i've said, it kills the excitement of the season having people dismiss the signings and team before doing any actual research on them or even giving them a chance. It's almost as if excitement only comes to some people on here if they've got NHL to their name, and a change of underwear is probably suitable for those people upon signing players with said experience. It was more of a suggestion than a demand anyway. I wasn't talking about anyone else on the site and I haven't called the signing average or below average. Good try on the back track and avoidance tactics but it was still a ridiculous comment.
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Pies
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Post by Pies on Aug 4, 2016 21:29:43 GMT
Lets keep all posts to the player signing please. I don't mind if you like or dislike the signing but let's steer it back that way please
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Post by PantherB on Aug 4, 2016 21:30:21 GMT
Try telling that to the majority of people on the site who constantly moan about stuff, spreading their excessively negative ideology. Quite fed up of people calling signings average or below average, not what we need, could do better etc.. which is just as bad as what i've said, it kills the excitement of the season having people dismiss the signings and team before doing any actual research on them or even giving them a chance. It's almost as if excitement only comes to some people on here if they've got NHL to their name, and a change of underwear is probably suitable for those people upon signing players with said experience. It was more of a suggestion than a demand anyway. I wasn't talking about anyone else on the site and I haven't called the signing average or below average. Good try on the back track and avoidance tactics but it was still a ridiculous comment. You called it 'Meh' and that is an indication of neither excitement or anger, practically maiking it another term for Average. I'm not backtracking at all. That was my thinking behind my statement, there's always some form of disappointment with every signing we make and it's incredibly frustrating, some things are more than valid points but people tend to be so narrowminded that they fail to look past a couple of negatives to see a whole lot more positives, happened with Carter and Brown, and now Nikiforuk.
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Aug 4, 2016 21:32:02 GMT
So we've been patient all off season,waited,waited and waited some more for the supposed better players becoming available have we ? And then just as predicted we got errr.....average ! You previously agreed with the statement that Layne Ulmer was the signing of the season. Ulmer: Italy: 1.22ppg DEl: 0.48ppg Nikiforuk: Italy: 1.32ppg DEL: 0.59ppg Nikiforuk = average...? Well which is it, signing of the seaon or bang average??? Your constant negativity is really boring and predicable. Im not bouncing off the walls excited but i think this guy will be solid. Speed kills in this league. I think you had better have another look at their respective stats. Because i would take Ulmers over Nikiforuks career stats any day of the week,Ulmer has been far more consistent. And where has our new guy been for the last two or three years,because the points are poor and the bouncing around teams is strange and worrying. I'm not saying he's a bad player,he will be decent,but he certainly isn't a stud forward for the biggest team in the land. He should be a second liner at Panthers,not a Kolnik replacement.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 4, 2016 21:32:40 GMT
I wasn't talking about anyone else on the site and I haven't called the signing average or below average. Good try on the back track and avoidance tactics but it was still a ridiculous comment. You called it 'Meh' and that is an indication of neither excitement or anger, practically maiking it another term for Average. I'm not backtracking at all. That was my thinking behind my statement, there's always some form of disappointment with every signing we make and it's incredibly frustrating, some things are more than valid points but people tend to be so narrowminded that they fail to look past a couple of negatives to see a whole lot more positives, happened with Carter and Brown, and now Nikiforuk. So because I'm not bouncing with excitement I should be "watching another sport". Nah, not having it, sorry.
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Post by Ghost on Aug 4, 2016 21:36:59 GMT
Average? What are you basing that on? I'm assuming that you have watched him play live and have analysed his game to come to a conclusion on how effective he will be in the EIHL? Or is it because you went on elite prospects, didn't see any AHL games and got hideously beside yourself with excitement because you have provided yourself with an opportunity to whinge? No one has any real idea how any of these players will perform in the EIHL, pack in your endless negativity because I'm sure I'm not the only one that is absolutely sick of it! Argh bless, a proper meltdown. Speaking of 'ridiculous comments'......
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Post by dill1015 on Aug 4, 2016 21:37:36 GMT
Sounds like hes been signed as a centre. Anyone dare to guess lines? Is there any point? Lacho-Moran-Schultz Carter-Lawrence-Betteridge Farmer-MacMillan-Janssen Clarke-Nikiforuk-Brown This is probably not what id do. Im just guessing what corey might do. He tends to like spreading his firepower out. The hardest part about doing these lines was pucking where to put Lacho. Everywhere I put him I didnt like it. He either doesnt suit the line or, (based on last season) isnt good enough for his line mates. He needs a big season.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 4, 2016 21:38:23 GMT
Argh bless, a proper meltdown. Speaking of 'ridiculous comments'...... Yeah you were obviously totally calm before when you typed out that rant....
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Ghost
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Post by Ghost on Aug 4, 2016 21:41:36 GMT
Speaking of 'ridiculous comments'...... Yeah you were obviously totally calm before when you typed out that rant.... Completely calm. Just fed up of seeing the monotonous negative drivel spouted on everything Panthers related. Clearly, I am far from the only one!
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 4, 2016 21:42:48 GMT
You previously agreed with the statement that Layne Ulmer was the signing of the season. Ulmer: Italy: 1.22ppg DEl: 0.48ppg Nikiforuk: Italy: 1.32ppg DEL: 0.59ppg Nikiforuk = average...? Well which is it, signing of the seaon or bang average??? Your constant negativity is really boring and predicable. Im not bouncing off the walls excited but i think this guy will be solid. Speed kills in this league. I think you had better have another look at their respective stats. Because i would take Ulmers over Nikiforuks career stats any day of the week,Ulmer has been far more consistent. And where has our new guy been for the last two or three years,because the points are poor and the bouncing around teams is strange and worrying. I'm not saying he's a bad player,he will be decent,but he certainly isn't a stud forward for the biggest team in the land. He should be a second liner at Panthers,not a Kolnik replacement. How do yo work that one out. He spent the second half of last season scoring almost a point per game in DEL2. He spent 2 and a half years in the NLB with the same team before that again scoring almost a point per game in a league much better than the EIHL.
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Post by PantherB on Aug 4, 2016 21:49:25 GMT
You called it 'Meh' and that is an indication of neither excitement or anger, practically maiking it another term for Average. I'm not backtracking at all. That was my thinking behind my statement, there's always some form of disappointment with every signing we make and it's incredibly frustrating, some things are more than valid points but people tend to be so narrowminded that they fail to look past a couple of negatives to see a whole lot more positives, happened with Carter and Brown, and now Nikiforuk. So because I'm not bouncing with excitement I should be "watching another sport". Nah, not having it, sorry. Pretty sure i didn't say that! Might as well though if you've got nothing productive or decent to say, there's enough pointless tarnishing of Panthers and the players on the forum as it is. What exactly about the signing doesn't particularly catch your attention, that the re-signing of Kolnik would, anyway?
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Post by dill1015 on Aug 4, 2016 21:53:01 GMT
You previously agreed with the statement that Layne Ulmer was the signing of the season. Ulmer: Italy: 1.22ppg DEl: 0.48ppg Nikiforuk: Italy: 1.32ppg DEL: 0.59ppg Nikiforuk = average...? Well which is it, signing of the seaon or bang average??? Your constant negativity is really boring and predicable. Im not bouncing off the walls excited but i think this guy will be solid. Speed kills in this league. I think you had better have another look at their respective stats. Because i would take Ulmers over Nikiforuks career stats any day of the week,Ulmer has been far more consistent. And where has our new guy been for the last two or three years,because the points are poor and the bouncing around teams is strange and worrying. I'm not saying he's a bad player,he will be decent,but he certainly isn't a stud forward for the biggest team in the land. He should be a second liner at Panthers,not a Kolnik replacement. Maybe you should. They have very similar stats, theres very little between them. Certainly not enough to consider 1 a potentially best signing of summer and 1 as average. Both will be good players in our league. Where hes been the last 2 or 3 seasons? Bagging nearly a point per game in the NLB and DEL 2... Hell in the same year as Kolink in the same league he got 43 point from 45 games. Kolnik got 17 from 27.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 4, 2016 21:59:44 GMT
So because I'm not bouncing with excitement I should be "watching another sport". Nah, not having it, sorry. Pretty sure i didn't say that! Might as well though if you've got nothing productive or decent to say, there's enough pointless tarnishing of Panthers and the players on the forum as it is. What exactly about the signing doesn't particularly catch your attention, that the re-signing of Kolnik would, anyway? I think he'll be a good player but I'm disappointed we haven't resigned Kolnik. Guess after 15 years home and away I should just stop going as I'm watching the wrong sport.
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Post by wgray on Aug 4, 2016 22:01:39 GMT
So it turns out he's signed as a centre, my stab at the forward lines will be
Carter Lawrence Brown Clarke Nikiforuk Schultz Lacho Moran Betteridge Farmer Macmillan Janssen
The third line will be help Ollie develop due to him being with Moran, Lacho might up his game as well if he's on the same line as Ollie. I feel it's all pretty evenly balanced
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Post by dill1015 on Aug 4, 2016 22:02:52 GMT
I think you had better have another look at their respective stats. Because i would take Ulmers over Nikiforuks career stats any day of the week,Ulmer has been far more consistent. And where has our new guy been for the last two or three years,because the points are poor and the bouncing around teams is strange and worrying. I'm not saying he's a bad player,he will be decent,but he certainly isn't a stud forward for the biggest team in the land. He should be a second liner at Panthers,not a Kolnik replacement. Maybe you should. They have very similar stats, theres very little between them. Certainly not enough to consider 1 a potentially best signing of summer and 1 as average. Both will be good players in our league. Where hes been the last 2 or 3 seasons? Bagging nearly a point per game in the NLB and DEL 2... Hell in the same year as Kolink in the same league he got 43 point from 45 games. Kolnik got 17 from 27. In fact thats do a straight comparison between Nikiforuk and Ulmer, same years, same league. Italy 2009- 2012. Ulmer Gp: 123 points: 124 Nikiforuk: Gp: 120 points: 158...
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Aug 4, 2016 22:12:33 GMT
I think you had better have another look at their respective stats. Because i would take Ulmers over Nikiforuks career stats any day of the week,Ulmer has been far more consistent. And where has our new guy been for the last two or three years,because the points are poor and the bouncing around teams is strange and worrying. I'm not saying he's a bad player,he will be decent,but he certainly isn't a stud forward for the biggest team in the land. He should be a second liner at Panthers,not a Kolnik replacement. Maybe you should. They have very similar stats, theres very little between them. Certainly not enough to consider 1 a potentially best signing of summer and 1 as average. Both will be good players in our league. Where hes been the last 2 or 3 seasons? Bagging nearly a point per game in the NLB and DEL 2... Hell in the same year as Kolink in the same league he got 43 point from 45 games. Kolnik got 17 from 27. Not sure where you get a point a game from. He's had five clubs in the last two years. And he's not played that many games per season either,generally only about 40 ish over the last ten years,hope he's ready for 60 plus games a season. Do you know who he reminds me of.....Chris Higgins !
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Post by ted logan on Aug 4, 2016 22:14:52 GMT
Personally think he looks a good signing, not a stud but definitely decent with impressive stats in stronger euro leagues than the EIHL.
Would have loved Kolnik back but its not happening so we have to move on.
I'm not a happy clapper and I can't stand much of the GM led crap that comes out of the club but writing off players individually and collectively before a puck has even been dropped is a tad churlish.
Just bring on the season!
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Aug 4, 2016 22:24:52 GMT
The top and bottom of this signing is that....
If we had signed him two months ago to replace Bohmbach we would all be happy. But because he is signed late and basically replacing Kolnik it's not so good.
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Post by dill1015 on Aug 4, 2016 22:37:54 GMT
Maybe you should. They have very similar stats, theres very little between them. Certainly not enough to consider 1 a potentially best signing of summer and 1 as average. Both will be good players in our league. Where hes been the last 2 or 3 seasons? Bagging nearly a point per game in the NLB and DEL 2... Hell in the same year as Kolink in the same league he got 43 point from 45 games. Kolnik got 17 from 27. Not sure where you get a point a game from. He's had five clubs in the last two years. And he's not played that many games per season either,generally only about 40 ish over the last ten years,hope he's ready for 60 plus games a season. Do you know who he reminds me of.....Chris Higgins ! NLB: 0.87 ppg regular season. 1.00 ppg post season. Del2 0.92 ppg. Thats nearly a point per game in both leagues. Ling played for 5 teams in the 3 seasons before he came to us... whats your point? And hes only played 40 ish games per season. What you mean like Cardiffs 2 new 'stud' signing who have spent the last 5 odd years in Italy. Again whats your point? Loads of players who come here from Europe. Why dont we just call a spade a spade here. Your looking for reasons to complain about this signing. Because you love bashing the Panthers organisation at every given moment for whatever reason. You've hijacked what feels like every thread all off season with your endless list of complaints and its really boring. Im going to stop this little back and forth now so feel free to have the last word. But in future can please try and have and actually discission about your opinions rather than blindly complaining about everything. Thats the point of a Forum.
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Post by pantherman66 on Aug 4, 2016 22:48:56 GMT
There is only you who is not happy, oh and your rear gunner ftm. I can't believe you won't accept the stats re Kolnik and Nikiforuk.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 22:54:08 GMT
Been tweeted by someone who has seen him play, they said the following: "He is impressive. Get ready for a dynamic speedster. Loved watching him play for Fischtown last season"
I really do think this is an impressive signing. Obviously we'll know more when we see him play but I can't really see any negatives to be honest.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 4, 2016 22:58:20 GMT
There is only you who is not happy, oh and your rear gunner ftm. I can't believe you won't accept the stats re Kolnik and Nikiforuk. I've said more than once on this thread that my opinion is that he will be a good player. I'm not massively happy with how Panthers are run overall or this seasons recruitment to be honest but I have no individual problem with this signing. Should be a good player in the EIHL.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 4, 2016 23:05:19 GMT
Like the look of this guy, like the aforementioned Ulmer has consistent good numbers. Only question mark is maybe his size for the style of game we tend to get over here, but we'll see how he gets on with that. ...by the way, for next season someone should set up a game of 'Gary Moran Bingo'! Look out for gems such as: 'Corey's chased him for years'. 'Beaten off interest from EIHL/European teams' 'The louder the roar' 'Club spokeswomen said...' Don' t forget 'Ticks a lot of boxes" Problem is the game would only last 1 press release.
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Post by iginla on Aug 4, 2016 23:27:51 GMT
There is only you who is not happy, oh and your rear gunner ftm. I can't believe you won't accept the stats re Kolnik and Nikiforuk. If you think this guys resume compares to Kolniks based on half a season in the NLB then you are deluded. Have a look how the pair of them faired in the NLA,or the AHL or the NHL. Oh yeah,NIkiforuk didn't play in any of those leagues did he ! People can say what they like about me constantly moaning,I say it as i see it,there are plenty of occasions when i praise too. That might irritate you,but it's no different to the people who constantly jump for joy and refuse to see any wrong in anything Panthers do. That irritates me,but I don't whine at them for doing it !
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