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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 15:11:04 GMT
Just the minus 2 for the game then. 3 d men short, what do you expect? Rhetorical question
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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 15:12:59 GMT
Yes but that particular doesn’t help the agenda so we’ll ignore that 😉 In all seriousness though I don’t see the point in persevering with Tetlow. I don’t think he’ll make any significant improvements and if we keep Hazeldine then I think we’d be much stronger with 5 import D The only agenda there mate is as you agree with. Tetlow is a liability and will never make anything more than a second rate Brit. Other coaches will know that and target him. For an arena team there’s got to be better use of limited Brit spots on a roster than him. Such as?
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 24, 2024 15:15:06 GMT
Yes but that particular doesn’t help the agenda so we’ll ignore that 😉 In all seriousness though I don’t see the point in persevering with Tetlow. I don’t think he’ll make any significant improvements and if we keep Hazeldine then I think we’d be much stronger with 5 import D The only agenda there mate is as you agree with. Tetlow is a liability and will never make anything more than a second rate Brit. Other coaches will know that and target him. For an arena team there’s got to be better use of limited Brit spots on a roster than him. The problem now though is league wide the strength of depth in Brits is really low. How many are actually any good? It’s not like 10-15 years ago when there was Weaver, Lee, Clarkey, Lacho, Myers, Meyers, Garside, Peacock, Dowd, Shields, Thomas, J Phillips, Tait etc These days there’s only really Dowd and Hook left who are what you’d call really good Brits so it gives players like Tetlow a space
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 24, 2024 15:37:31 GMT
The only agenda there mate is as you agree with. Tetlow is a liability and will never make anything more than a second rate Brit. Other coaches will know that and target him. For an arena team there’s got to be better use of limited Brit spots on a roster than him. The problem now though is league wide the strength of depth in Brits is really low. How many are actually any good? It’s not like 10-15 years ago when there was Weaver, Lee, Clarkey, Lacho, Myers, Meyers, Garside, Peacock, Dowd, Shields, Thomas, J Phillips, Tait etc These days there’s only really Dowd and Hook left who are what you’d call really good Brits so it gives players like Tetlow a space Then you get the flip side of the arguement. Are we really having 15 imports just so we can pay somebody like Tyler Welsh to a job that there must be Brits out there who can do it. Don't want to go in on the guy, he comes accross decent and certainly has bags of energy and gives 100% every game, but he isn't a good hockey player. I know we've seen plenty of poor imports over the years, but regarding skill and hockey ability he has to be right near the very bottom. Dont get me wrong, give me a Welsh over some of the other lazy so and sos we've had over the years, but if that's what 15 imports equals then I dont see the point.
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Post by iginla on Mar 24, 2024 15:41:01 GMT
The only agenda there mate is as you agree with. Tetlow is a liability and will never make anything more than a second rate Brit. Other coaches will know that and target him. For an arena team there’s got to be better use of limited Brit spots on a roster than him. The problem now though is league wide the strength of depth in Brits is really low. How many are actually any good? It’s not like 10-15 years ago when there was Weaver, Lee, Clarkey, Lacho, Myers, Meyers, Garside, Peacock, Dowd, Shields, Thomas, J Phillips, Tait etc These days there’s only really Dowd and Hook left who are what you’d call really good Brits so it gives players like Tetlow a space Doesn’t have to be a Dman,I’d always stack the D with imports plus Hazeldine. Then it comes down to money,If you want the better ones it’ll cost you and that’s where the problem seems to lie.
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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 15:49:05 GMT
The problem now though is league wide the strength of depth in Brits is really low. How many are actually any good? It’s not like 10-15 years ago when there was Weaver, Lee, Clarkey, Lacho, Myers, Meyers, Garside, Peacock, Dowd, Shields, Thomas, J Phillips, Tait etc These days there’s only really Dowd and Hook left who are what you’d call really good Brits so it gives players like Tetlow a space Doesn’t have to be a Dman,I’d always stack the D with imports plus Hazeldine. Then it comes down to money,If you want the better ones it’ll cost you and that’s where the problem seems to lie. So you wouldn’t want any Brit d men other than Hazlendine. No Jones, O’Connor, Richardson?
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Post by bobness on Mar 24, 2024 15:59:02 GMT
Just the minus 2 for the game then. Same as 3 others. Your point? Despite being -6 in the last 4 games (all of which have been short (if not very short) benched on D, all regulation losses) he's still only -1 for the season. Far better than some shall we say higher profile members of the D. I don't see you on here singing his praises when he was +3 vs Flames the other night, or even vs the Clan, in a 9-3, loss when Despres was -4? I'm sensing an agenda...
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 24, 2024 15:59:57 GMT
The problem now though is league wide the strength of depth in Brits is really low. How many are actually any good? It’s not like 10-15 years ago when there was Weaver, Lee, Clarkey, Lacho, Myers, Meyers, Garside, Peacock, Dowd, Shields, Thomas, J Phillips, Tait etc These days there’s only really Dowd and Hook left who are what you’d call really good Brits so it gives players like Tetlow a space Then you get the flip side of the arguement. Are we really having 15 imports just so we can pay somebody like Tyler Welsh to a job that there must be Brits out there who can do it. Don't want to go in on the guy, he comes accross decent and certainly has bags of energy and gives 100% every game, but he isn't a good hockey player. I know we've seen plenty of poor imports over the years, but regarding skill and hockey ability he has to be right near the very bottom. Dont get me wrong, give me a Welsh over some of the other lazy so and sos we've had over the years, but if that's what 15 imports equals then I dont see the point. But there are hundreds of imports out there that could potentially be recruited as alternative to Welsh whereas it’s much harder to find quality Brits
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Post by samjohnson345 on Mar 24, 2024 16:04:02 GMT
I liked Hazeldine in Manchester. Even more so since he’s been back here. Think he’s a really good Brit D Man and hope we’re tying him down for the long term.
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Post by iginla on Mar 24, 2024 17:01:09 GMT
Just the minus 2 for the game then. Same as 3 others. Your point? Despite being -6 in the last 4 games (all of which have been short (if not very short) benched on D, all regulation losses) he's still only -1 for the season. Far better than some shall we say higher profile members of the D. I don't see you on here singing his praises when he was +3 vs Flames the other night, or even vs the Clan, in a 9-3, loss when Despres was -4? I'm sensing an agenda... Yes an agenda,I don’t think Tetlow will ever be good enough whilst ever he’s got a hole in his bottom. He’s a low budget EIHL team player at best who shouldn’t be in an arena team and Panthers need to get rid of him, then spend some money and replace him with a better Brit. I’d even play a Brit short if necessary rather than re sign him and put Tetlow’s money in the import pot.
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Post by iginla on Mar 24, 2024 17:08:03 GMT
Doesn’t have to be a Dman,I’d always stack the D with imports plus Hazeldine. Then it comes down to money,If you want the better ones it’ll cost you and that’s where the problem seems to lie. So you wouldn’t want any Brit d men other than Hazlendine. No Jones, O’Connor, Richardson? I would always build a team around a really good D and goalie first and foremost and that doesn’t have to include any Brits other than a back up goalie. I’d have O’Connor or Richardson but I don’t think you’d get either. All the league winners,including Panthers in 12/13 had a good solid D. Look at Steelers this year,night and day better D than Panthers. Even losing Petgrave didn’t harm them because they went out and replaced him with Cormier who the Steelers fans rave about.
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Post by bobness on Mar 24, 2024 17:14:22 GMT
Same as 3 others. Your point? Despite being -6 in the last 4 games (all of which have been short (if not very short) benched on D, all regulation losses) he's still only -1 for the season. Far better than some shall we say higher profile members of the D. I don't see you on here singing his praises when he was +3 vs Flames the other night, or even vs the Clan, in a 9-3, loss when Despres was -4? I'm sensing an agenda... Yes an agenda,I don’t think Tetlow will ever be good enough whilst ever he’s got a hole in his bottom. He’s a low budget EIHL team player at best who shouldn’t be in an arena team and Panthers need to get rid of him, then spend some money and replace him with a better Brit. I’d even play a Brit short if necessary rather than re sign him and put Tetlow’s money in the import pot. You forgot the "In my opinion..." part. Plenty disagree. That list of "better Brits", then. Who's on it?
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 24, 2024 17:14:50 GMT
Same as 3 others. Your point? Despite being -6 in the last 4 games (all of which have been short (if not very short) benched on D, all regulation losses) he's still only -1 for the season. Far better than some shall we say higher profile members of the D. I don't see you on here singing his praises when he was +3 vs Flames the other night, or even vs the Clan, in a 9-3, loss when Despres was -4? I'm sensing an agenda... Yes an agenda,I don’t think Tetlow will ever be good enough whilst ever he’s got a hole in his bottom. He’s a low budget EIHL team player at best who shouldn’t be in an arena team and Panthers need to get rid of him, then spend some money and replace him with a better Brit. I’d even play a Brit short if necessary rather than re sign him and put Tetlow’s money in the import pot. Not that it should matter anyway but it’s not like he’s a Nottingham born lad like Betteridge, Kelsall or Hazeldine. He’s from just outside Guildford so it’s not like he’s home.
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Post by bobness on Mar 24, 2024 17:18:37 GMT
Yes an agenda,I don’t think Tetlow will ever be good enough whilst ever he’s got a hole in his bottom. He’s a low budget EIHL team player at best who shouldn’t be in an arena team and Panthers need to get rid of him, then spend some money and replace him with a better Brit. I’d even play a Brit short if necessary rather than re sign him and put Tetlow’s money in the import pot. Not that it should matter anyway but it’s not like he’s a Nottingham born lad like Betteridge, Kelsall or Hazeldine. He’s from just outside Guildford so it’s not like he’s home. You're quite correct. It doesn't matter.
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Post by iginla on Mar 24, 2024 17:21:31 GMT
Yes an agenda,I don’t think Tetlow will ever be good enough whilst ever he’s got a hole in his bottom. He’s a low budget EIHL team player at best who shouldn’t be in an arena team and Panthers need to get rid of him, then spend some money and replace him with a better Brit. I’d even play a Brit short if necessary rather than re sign him and put Tetlow’s money in the import pot. You forgot the "In my opinion..." part. Plenty disagree. That list of "better Brits", then. Who's on it? Pretty much any Brit who’s at Sheffield,Cardiff,Belfast or Guildford is the short answer to that. Like I said,I’d rather go a Brit short and chuck Tetlow’s wage in the import pot if they can’t persuade another decent Brit to sign. Panthers trouble there though seems to stem from peeing players off.
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Post by iginla on Mar 24, 2024 17:22:42 GMT
Not that it should matter anyway but it’s not like he’s a Nottingham born lad like Betteridge, Kelsall or Hazeldine. He’s from just outside Guildford so it’s not like he’s home. You're quite correct. It doesn't matter. What’s “home” got to do with it ?
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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 17:24:45 GMT
So you wouldn’t want any Brit d men other than Hazlendine. No Jones, O’Connor, Richardson? I would always build a team around a really good D and goalie first and foremost and that doesn’t have to include any Brits other than a back up goalie. I’d have O’Connor or Richardson but I don’t think you’d get either. All the league winners,including Panthers in 12/13 had a good solid D. Look at Steelers this year,night and day better D than Panthers. Even losing Petgrave didn’t harm them because they went out and replaced him with Cormier who the Steelers fans rave about. And in our d in 12/13 we had Weaver and Lee. Not sure I’ve ever known a team to win the league with no Brits on d. Doesn’t make sense Of course Sheffield are better, they’ve spent way more than us.
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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 17:25:58 GMT
You forgot the "In my opinion..." part. Plenty disagree. That list of "better Brits", then. Who's on it? Pretty much any Brit who’s at Sheffield,Cardiff,Belfast or Guildford is the short answer to that. Like I said,I’d rather go a Brit short and chuck Tetlow’s wage in the import pot if they can’t persuade another decent Brit to sign. Panthers trouble there though seems to stem from peeing players off. If Tetlow is as poor as you make out we can’t be paying him much so we’d end up with a “cheap” import.
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Post by iginla on Mar 24, 2024 17:35:15 GMT
I would always build a team around a really good D and goalie first and foremost and that doesn’t have to include any Brits other than a back up goalie. I’d have O’Connor or Richardson but I don’t think you’d get either. All the league winners,including Panthers in 12/13 had a good solid D. Look at Steelers this year,night and day better D than Panthers. Even losing Petgrave didn’t harm them because they went out and replaced him with Cormier who the Steelers fans rave about. And in our d in 12/13 we had Weaver and Lee. Not sure I’ve ever known a team to win the league with no Brits on d. Doesn’t make sense Of course Sheffield are better, they’ve spent way more than us. In 12/13 there were less imports on a roster so you had to have lots of Brits. And you know for certain that Sheffield spent more this year do you ? But Omar says we spend the same,can’t both be true !
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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 17:38:09 GMT
And in our d in 12/13 we had Weaver and Lee. Not sure I’ve ever known a team to win the league with no Brits on d. Doesn’t make sense Of course Sheffield are better, they’ve spent way more than us. In 12/13 there were less imports on a roster so you had to have lots of Brits. And you know for certain that Sheffield spent more this year do you ? But Omar says we spend the same,can’t both be true ! We had 2 on d not loads If you think we’re spending the same as Sheffield then I can’t help you. Where did Omar say that?
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Post by iginla on Mar 24, 2024 17:40:04 GMT
Pretty much any Brit who’s at Sheffield,Cardiff,Belfast or Guildford is the short answer to that. Like I said,I’d rather go a Brit short and chuck Tetlow’s wage in the import pot if they can’t persuade another decent Brit to sign. Panthers trouble there though seems to stem from peeing players off. If Tetlow is as poor as you make out we can’t be paying him much so we’d end up with a “cheap” import. I’d agree they won’t be paying him a lot. But even if Tetlow was only on say £300 a week,if you ditched him you can then get a £1000 a week import instead of a £700 a week import with the same budget. That’s likely the sort of difference between signing a Mcgurty or a Neill.
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Post by iginla on Mar 24, 2024 17:45:14 GMT
In 12/13 there were less imports on a roster so you had to have lots of Brits. And you know for certain that Sheffield spent more this year do you ? But Omar says we spend the same,can’t both be true ! We had 2 on d not loads If you think we’re spending the same as Sheffield then I can’t help you. Where did Omar say that? Omar said that and Doucet said it both in interviews a while back. I don’t believe them for a second,but as I’ve already said,that’s why O’Connor,Richardson,Dowd,Hook and Perlini etc are elsewhere,because Panthers have either naffed them off or won’t pay the good money for them.
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Post by bobness on Mar 24, 2024 17:45:33 GMT
If Tetlow is as poor as you make out we can’t be paying him much so we’d end up with a “cheap” import. I’d agree they won’t be paying him a lot. But even if Tetlow was only on say £300 a week,if you ditched him you can then get a £1000 a week import instead of a £700 a week import with the same budget. That’s likely the sort of difference between signing a Mcgurty or a Neill. You can't possibly think Tetlow is on £300 a week...
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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 17:47:58 GMT
We had 2 on d not loads If you think we’re spending the same as Sheffield then I can’t help you. Where did Omar say that? Omar said that and Doucet said it both in interviews a while back. I don’t believe them for a second,but as I’ve already said,that’s why O’Connor,Richardson,Dowd,Hook and Perlini etc are elsewhere,because Panthers have either naffed them off or won’t pay the good money for them. Where are the interviews? Not being awkward, would love to hear them say that. Thanks in advance for the link
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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 17:48:20 GMT
I’d agree they won’t be paying him a lot. But even if Tetlow was only on say £300 a week,if you ditched him you can then get a £1000 a week import instead of a £700 a week import with the same budget. That’s likely the sort of difference between signing a Mcgurty or a Neill. You can't possibly think Tetlow is on £300 a week... The way iggy slates him you’d think he’s paying us to pay each week
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