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Post by iginla on Aug 5, 2019 17:02:47 GMT
According to Tony Smith a couple of months ago it costs approx £1 million a season to run the Steelers. I’d say he’s a bit low there actually as when I’ve sat down and looked at costs it’s more like£1.25 million. Work out total income and it’s easy to get to £3 million. There are some big profits being made at certain clubs, Panthers could cherry pick every top player signed in the EIHL so far and very very easily afford it and still make a very large profit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 17:03:10 GMT
You say these resources but are they really as well off as some think. Not convinced here. Its quite ironic we now play Blaze on boxing day as they are what Panthers match up top now on and off the ice! ok Pidge fag packet maths 18 quid cheapest tickets x average 5500 = 9900 per game x 32 games at present without semi etc = £316800 (very much a very low estimate) Sponsorship - highest ever in the league bearing in mind GMB was throwing in several millions over 3 years so conversatively £1m per year bearing in mind we still have GMB plus all the rest (conservative imho half combined main team = £500,000) We have shirt sales plus auctions (each auction is worth around £20K x 3 per season plus each shirt sales "is it £80 per shirt now or more? think anecdotal evidence looking round the arena 500 shirts (again a low estimate imho) = £40K so total of £100K Each individual sponsor of players another almost £1000 per player 20 players = £20K Assorted other merchandise £10-15K Plus bunch of other miscellaneous stuff such as quiz nights and panthers beer etc... couldn't possibly guess what that makes Against this there is the housing costs/wages/car (although think they are sponsored too)/Gym (again sponsored)and cost of NIC rental which I have been informed is between 15-20K per event (being the incumbent host I suspect the 15) Wage bill for middle of the road ECHL players in America is $450 so equate that to pounds x 20 = £9K x 32 games = £288K + £480K rental = £768,000 Even if the remaining costs such as back room staff, housing etc are a QUARTER OF A MILLION pounds this leaves a WHOPPING almost 1 to 2 MILLION pounds profit not bad for a minority sport in a beer league is it.... For christs sake it wouldn't break the bank to EVERY year sign a team such as that in Belfast or Cardiff...or god forbid even one to beat them... £1m a year from the GMB? Have a word with yourself! I doubt it was £1m over 5 years!
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Post by meadow on Aug 5, 2019 17:17:26 GMT
According to Tony Smith a couple of months ago it costs approx £1 million a season to run the Steelers. I’d say he’s a bit low there actually as when I’ve sat down and looked at costs it’s more like£1.25 million. Work out total income and it’s easy to get to £3 million. There are some big profits being made at certain clubs, Panthers could cherry pick every top player signed in the EIHL so far and very very easily afford it and still make a very large profit. This is another area in which we differ from Cardiff / Sheffield / Belfast: this offseason they've all cherry picked a top player (Riley, Connolly, Lake, Long, Owen) from another EIHL team whereas we've arguably ended up with ones that Steelers weren't fussed about keeping 😂
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Post by Joe on Aug 5, 2019 17:32:05 GMT
People moan that we sign players who are here for a final paycheque but if we start throwing money about like people say we should, then we’ll have a team who are just here for the money and then we are back to square 1 again
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Post by Pies on Aug 5, 2019 18:08:01 GMT
According to Tony Smith a couple of months ago it costs approx £1 million a season to run the Steelers. I’d say he’s a bit low there actually as when I’ve sat down and looked at costs it’s more like£1.25 million. Work out total income and it’s easy to get to £3 million. There are some big profits being made at certain clubs So you’re saying a man who runs businesses, has all the figures himself, knows his ingoings and outgoings, sees the accounts knows less about the cost to run his club than you because you’ve worked with figures that you’ve pulled from what you think you know? I’m stunned. Genuinely don’t even know where to go from here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 18:22:11 GMT
According to Tony Smith a couple of months ago it costs approx £1 million a season to run the Steelers. I’d say he’s a bit low there actually as when I’ve sat down and looked at costs it’s more like£1.25 million. Work out total income and it’s easy to get to £3 million. There are some big profits being made at certain clubs So you’re saying a man who runs businesses, has all the figures himself, knows his ingoings and outgoings, sees the accounts knows less about the cost to run his club than you because you’ve worked with figures that you’ve pulled from what you think you know? I’m stunned. Genuinely don’t even know where to go from here. Its total guesswork hense why I dont even engage in Tex's twaddle no one and I mean no one will have any idea of Panthers balance sheet apart from Black and Moran and any other associates. Why get involved in this nonsense mate
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 5, 2019 18:22:15 GMT
According to Tony Smith a couple of months ago it costs approx £1 million a season to run the Steelers. I’d say he’s a bit low there actually as when I’ve sat down and looked at costs it’s more like£1.25 million. Work out total income and it’s easy to get to £3 million. There are some big profits being made at certain clubs So you’re saying a man who runs businesses, has all the figures himself, knows his ingoings and outgoings, sees the accounts knows less about the cost to run his club than you because you’ve worked with figures that you’ve pulled from what you think you know? I’m stunned. Genuinely don’t even know where to go from here. It beggars belief
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Post by grrm on Aug 5, 2019 18:50:45 GMT
“Stunned”, “beggars belief “ - I agree we simply don’t know the figures for sure, however we do probably have the highest income (not sure who would bring in more cash?) and most people would tend to agree Cardiff, Belfast and Sheffield look to have spent more on their squads this coming season than Panthers.
So the basic logic is really simple, financially we should be able to complete when building a squad - we just choose not to compete.
It beggars belief!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 19:00:18 GMT
According to Tony Smith a couple of months ago it costs approx £1 million a season to run the Steelers. I’d say he’s a bit low there actually as when I’ve sat down and looked at costs it’s more like£1.25 million. Work out total income and it’s easy to get to £3 million. There are some big profits being made at certain clubs, Panthers could cherry pick every top player signed in the EIHL so far and very very easily afford it and still make a very large profit. OMG. You really have surpassed yourself this time. You’re unbelievable you really are.
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Post by Pies on Aug 5, 2019 19:14:51 GMT
So you’re saying a man who runs businesses, has all the figures himself, knows his ingoings and outgoings, sees the accounts knows less about the cost to run his club than you because you’ve worked with figures that you’ve pulled from what you think you know? I’m stunned. Genuinely don’t even know where to go from here. Its total guesswork hense why I dont even engage in Tex's twaddle no one and I mean no one will have any idea of Panthers balance sheet apart from Black and Moran and any other associates. Why get involved in this nonsense mate You wouldn’t believe the number of posts I write, re-write and delete before posting if I told you. I love engaging with people on here but sometimes I just have to say what I really think.
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 5, 2019 19:16:35 GMT
According to Tony Smith a couple of months ago it costs approx £1 million a season to run the Steelers. I’d say he’s a bit low there actually as when I’ve sat down and looked at costs it’s more like£1.25 million. Work out total income and it’s easy to get to £3 million. There are some big profits being made at certain clubs, Panthers could cherry pick every top player signed in the EIHL so far and very very easily afford it and still make a very large profit. Facts, figures, hard evidence... or admit that you are just making it up as you go along. Congratulations - you have managed to totally undermine your own argument far more effectively than anybody else could ever hope to do. Blather on all you like... you've totally been found out.
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Post by iginla on Aug 5, 2019 20:31:04 GMT
According to Tony Smith a couple of months ago it costs approx £1 million a season to run the Steelers. I’d say he’s a bit low there actually as when I’ve sat down and looked at costs it’s more like£1.25 million. Work out total income and it’s easy to get to £3 million. There are some big profits being made at certain clubs So you’re saying a man who runs businesses, has all the figures himself, knows his ingoings and outgoings, sees the accounts knows less about the cost to run his club than you because you’ve worked with figures that you’ve pulled from what you think you know? I’m stunned. Genuinely don’t even know where to go from here. Nope I’m not querying Smiths figure I’m actually suggesting it costs a bit more more to run Panthers than it does Steelers. They haven’t got a DOH or the amount of office bodies that Panthers have and as i understand it the NIC costs a bit more than the House of tin. I’m saying it costs more like £1.25 million to run Panthers not Steelers.
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Post by jd on Aug 5, 2019 20:48:52 GMT
So you’re saying a man who runs businesses, has all the figures himself, knows his ingoings and outgoings, sees the accounts knows less about the cost to run his club than you because you’ve worked with figures that you’ve pulled from what you think you know? I’m stunned. Genuinely don’t even know where to go from here. Nope I’m not querying Smiths figure I’m actually suggesting it costs a bit more more to run Panthers than it does Steelers. They haven’t got a DOH or the amount of office bodies that Panthers have and as i understand it the NIC costs a bit more than the House of tin. I’m saying it costs more like £1.25 million to run Panthers not Steelers. Yet you don’t mention panthers at all in your original reply. You say Smith has it wrong, or you could say you’re querying it. Don’t worry though, TS has it wrong and you know exactly how much money Panthers spend too. Maybe you could enlighten us at to how much GD and TW are on? And the make and model of the washing machine they’re using?
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Post by dp on Aug 5, 2019 20:51:47 GMT
You say these resources but are they really as well off as some think. Not convinced here. Its quite ironic we now play Blaze on boxing day as they are what Panthers match up top now on and off the ice! ok Pidge fag packet maths 18 quid cheapest tickets x average 5500 = 9900 per game x 32 games at present without semi etc = £316800 (very much a very low estimate) Sponsorship - highest ever in the league bearing in mind GMB was throwing in several millions over 3 years so conversatively £1m per year bearing in mind we still have GMB plus all the rest (conservative imho half combined main team = £500,000) We have shirt sales plus auctions (each auction is worth around £20K x 3 per season plus each shirt sales "is it £80 per shirt now or more? think anecdotal evidence looking round the arena 500 shirts (again a low estimate imho) = £40K so total of £100K Each individual sponsor of players another almost £1000 per player 20 players = £20K Assorted other merchandise £10-15K Plus bunch of other miscellaneous stuff such as quiz nights and panthers beer etc... couldn't possibly guess what that makes Against this there is the housing costs/wages/car (although think they are sponsored too)/Gym (again sponsored)and cost of NIC rental which I have been informed is between 15-20K per event (being the incumbent host I suspect the 15) Wage bill for middle of the road ECHL players in America is $450 so equate that to pounds x 20 = £9K x 32 games = £288K + £480K rental = £768,000 Even if the remaining costs such as back room staff, housing etc are a QUARTER OF A MILLION pounds this leaves a WHOPPING almost 1 to 2 MILLION pounds profit not bad for a minority sport in a beer league is it.... For christs sake it wouldn't break the bank to EVERY year sign a team such as that in Belfast or Cardiff...or god forbid even one to beat them... I think the big problem with this is....you've missed a zero off the ticket sales revenue. It's actually 5,500*18 which is £99,000 per game, not £9,900 - which is £3.2 MILLION a season!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 20:54:41 GMT
So you’re saying a man who runs businesses, has all the figures himself, knows his ingoings and outgoings, sees the accounts knows less about the cost to run his club than you because you’ve worked with figures that you’ve pulled from what you think you know? I’m stunned. Genuinely don’t even know where to go from here. Nope I’m not querying Smiths figure I’m actually suggesting it costs a bit more more to run Panthers than it does Steelers. They haven’t got a DOH or the amount of office bodies that Panthers have and as i understand it the NIC costs a bit more than the House of tin. I’m saying it costs more like £1.25 million to run Panthers not Steelers. 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by deke on Aug 5, 2019 20:58:19 GMT
According to Tony Smith a couple of months ago it costs approx £1 million a season to run the Steelers. I’d say he’s a bit low there actually as when I’ve sat down and looked at costs it’s more like£1.25 million. Work out total income and it’s easy to get to £3 million. There are some big profits being made at certain clubs, Panthers could cherry pick every top player signed in the EIHL so far and very very easily afford it and still make a very large profit. So you just randomly cobbled some numbers together and present it as fact.... OK then. I have also cobbled some numbers if you take the amount of season ticket seasons times that by the season ticket price then take away the number of unicorns galloping past my bedroom window I have come to the conclusion that your talking out your rear end.
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Post by iginla on Aug 5, 2019 20:58:33 GMT
ok Pidge fag packet maths 18 quid cheapest tickets x average 5500 = 9900 per game x 32 games at present without semi etc = £316800 (very much a very low estimate) Sponsorship - highest ever in the league bearing in mind GMB was throwing in several millions over 3 years so conversatively £1m per year bearing in mind we still have GMB plus all the rest (conservative imho half combined main team = £500,000) We have shirt sales plus auctions (each auction is worth around £20K x 3 per season plus each shirt sales "is it £80 per shirt now or more? think anecdotal evidence looking round the arena 500 shirts (again a low estimate imho) = £40K so total of £100K Each individual sponsor of players another almost £1000 per player 20 players = £20K Assorted other merchandise £10-15K Plus bunch of other miscellaneous stuff such as quiz nights and panthers beer etc... couldn't possibly guess what that makes Against this there is the housing costs/wages/car (although think they are sponsored too)/Gym (again sponsored)and cost of NIC rental which I have been informed is between 15-20K per event (being the incumbent host I suspect the 15) Wage bill for middle of the road ECHL players in America is $450 so equate that to pounds x 20 = £9K x 32 games = £288K + £480K rental = £768,000 Even if the remaining costs such as back room staff, housing etc are a QUARTER OF A MILLION pounds this leaves a WHOPPING almost 1 to 2 MILLION pounds profit not bad for a minority sport in a beer league is it.... For christs sake it wouldn't break the bank to EVERY year sign a team such as that in Belfast or Cardiff...or god forbid even one to beat them... I think the big problem with this is....you've missed a zero off the ticket sales revenue. It's actually 5,500*18 which is £99,000 per game, not £9,900 - which is £3.2 MILLION a season! He has yes,but the average ticket isn’t £18 By the time you’ve taken season ticket,kids and concessions into account it’s probably around £14
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Post by iginla on Aug 5, 2019 21:13:05 GMT
Nope I’m not querying Smiths figure I’m actually suggesting it costs a bit more more to run Panthers than it does Steelers. They haven’t got a DOH or the amount of office bodies that Panthers have and as i understand it the NIC costs a bit more than the House of tin. I’m saying it costs more like £1.25 million to run Panthers not Steelers. Yet you don’t mention panthers at all in your original reply. You say Smith has it wrong, or you could say you’re querying it. Don’t worry though, TS has it wrong and you know exactly how much money Panthers spend too. Maybe you could enlighten us at to how much GD and TW are on? And the make and model of the washing machine they’re using? I didn’t mention Panthers no,I can see where you’re coming from there,I should have mentioned them yes,but I’m surprised you’re actually not amazed that I’m suggesting it costs more to run Panthers and therefore Blacks profit reduces. Normally when I suggest Black makes silly money half the cage tells me he doesn’t. So if Smith admits his £1 million costs to run,then why wouldn’t Panthers costs not be pretty similar,hence my £1.25 million. So do the maths just on game tickets alone 5700 fans average x say £14 average per ticket x say 32 games = £2.5 million Add on all the other stuff and I’d say £3million turnover is easily attainable. So rather than criticise my maths why don’t you tell me what other costs there are that would wipe out anywhere near around £2million.
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Post by jd on Aug 5, 2019 22:09:56 GMT
Yet you don’t mention panthers at all in your original reply. You say Smith has it wrong, or you could say you’re querying it. Don’t worry though, TS has it wrong and you know exactly how much money Panthers spend too. Maybe you could enlighten us at to how much GD and TW are on? And the make and model of the washing machine they’re using? I didn’t mention Panthers no,I can see where you’re coming from there,I should have mentioned them yes,but I’m surprised you’re actually not amazed that I’m suggesting it costs more to run Panthers and therefore Blacks profit reduces. Normally when I suggest Black makes silly money half the cage tells me he doesn’t. So if Smith admits his £1 million costs to run,then why wouldn’t Panthers costs not be pretty similar,hence my £1.25 million. So do the maths just on game tickets alone 5700 fans average x say £14 average per ticket x say 32 games = £2.5 million Add on all the other stuff and I’d say £3million turnover is easily attainable. So rather than criticise my maths why don’t you tell me what other costs there are that would wipe out anywhere near around £2million. I didn’t criticise your maths, I criticised the fact that you think you know how much it costs to run a hockey club when the owner tells people it’s a different amount. You must see how daft that makes you seem? We all know Black is in it to make money that’s not news Iginla, show me a business man that doesn’t run a business to make money. At the end of the day you don’t know how much it costs to run panthers, none of us do. Bit like we don’t know how good or bad Panthers will play this season. You may think we look poor, truth is you don’t know, its all guess work using stats off EP and articles on players online. What I get a bit bored of is the constant panthers bashing. We sign an experienced coach and he fails, so this season we go for something different and you’re still criticising even before they’ve stepped onto the ice. Can you see how that might wind a few people on here?
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Post by iginla on Aug 5, 2019 22:44:53 GMT
I didn’t mention Panthers no,I can see where you’re coming from there,I should have mentioned them yes,but I’m surprised you’re actually not amazed that I’m suggesting it costs more to run Panthers and therefore Blacks profit reduces. Normally when I suggest Black makes silly money half the cage tells me he doesn’t. So if Smith admits his £1 million costs to run,then why wouldn’t Panthers costs not be pretty similar,hence my £1.25 million. So do the maths just on game tickets alone 5700 fans average x say £14 average per ticket x say 32 games = £2.5 million Add on all the other stuff and I’d say £3million turnover is easily attainable. So rather than criticise my maths why don’t you tell me what other costs there are that would wipe out anywhere near around £2million. I didn’t criticise your maths, I criticised the fact that you think you know how much it costs to run a hockey club when the owner tells people it’s a different amount. You must see how daft that makes you seem? We all know Black is in it to make money that’s not news Iginla, show me a business man that doesn’t run a business to make money. At the end of the day you don’t know how much it costs to run panthers, none of us do. Bit like we don’t know how good or bad Panthers will play this season. You may think we look poor, truth is you don’t know, its all guess work using stats off EP and articles on players online. What I get a bit bored of is the constant panthers bashing. We sign an experienced coach and he fails, so this season we go for something different and you’re still criticising even before they’ve stepped onto the ice. Can you see how that might wind a few people on here? I’ve explained my earlier post,i omitted the word Panthers against the £1.25m that’s all. I take your point about my criticism of Panthers,but can you not also see that I get naffed off when people constantly say we’ve got a good team or wait and see,then three months later every year those very same people are criticising the team or the coach. It’s not like I’ve not said it in years before and we’ve finished 4th or 5th or wherever. I don’t directly tell people they don’t know what they’re talking about but people try to tell me. Take my post above.....people like to tell me things like “your guessing”, “your way off”, “don’t be daft”,”you don’t know what things cost” etc etc when I throw team costs about,but they don’t tell us why I’m wrong or what is wrong with my figures. I fail to see how Panthers don’t turnover £3million a season. Why would two hockey teams of a very similar size like Panthers and Steelers have massive cost differences,so based on my maths above and Smiths cost admission just where does all the Panthers money go ? The one thing that winds me up is that Panthers could obviously compete in the wages stakes with any team in the EIHL but they don’t seem to want to,what on earth are we doing with a cheap ish looking team like this year’s roster. Then we get stuff from Black like “this is the dearest roster ever” or Moran telling us they burn the midnight oil and beat the drum in their quest to win and always do their best for the best fans ever rubbish. No they don’t,it’s just crap we’ve heard every year,if they really cared about winning they’d spend the money required to have a better chance. Would you not want the likes of Riley,Rau,Reddox,Davies or some of the other big signings we’ve seen sign elsewhere to be at Panthers this year instead of some of the guys we’ve signed or would you rather just settle for what we’ve got ?
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Post by ant on Aug 6, 2019 6:34:30 GMT
So to sum up the above... Panthers are making an unknown fortune and are the richest club ( probably only profit making club in the UK ) and could sign a team of KHL/ AHL studs and nick everyone’s best player and thus win the league annually. This irks many but Black knows a 5th place finish team earns him more millions. He doesn’t attend much so the sterile atmosphere , now that many real hockey fans have been replaced by the conveyer belt of drifters and office party visitors, doesn’t bother him. Not sure why this divides opinion and people are in-fighting; he’s taking all of us for a ride.
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Post by Pies on Aug 6, 2019 7:00:47 GMT
So to sum up the above... Panthers are making an unknown fortune and are the richest club ( probably only profit making club in the UK ) and could sign a team of KHL/ AHL studs and nick everyone’s best player and thus win the league annually. This irks many but Black knows a 5th place finish team earns him more millions. He doesn’t attend much so the sterile atmosphere , now that many real hockey fans have been replaced by the conveyer belt of drifters and office party visitors, doesn’t bother him. Not sure why this divides opinion and people are in-fighting; he’s taking all of us for a ride. No one has disagreed with the fact Panthers make a profit? What we’ve all disagreed with is someone saying they know how much everything costs with no actual facts. Fact: none of us know the true figures coming in and out of the club. No disputing that. Anyone who tells me they know is either working for the club and thus sharing information illegally or making it up. Fact: we know how much tickets cost, average number of fans that turn up to give us a ROUGH idea Fact: no one on here knows the outgoings of this club. We don’t know the wages. We don’t know the cost of hiring the rink. The cost of backroom staff. Cost of anything. Once again, we can guess but we can’t categorically state any of us know. For example, how many pucks do Panthers use in any one season? How much do they get those pucks for? That’s one small example of an outgoing no one knows so how can anyone tell me they know the figures for certain that the club spend Opinion: If people think they’re being taken for a ride, then no one from the club is making you spend your money. I actually don’t think were being taken for a ride with the roster we have which I have outlined in a previous post. I actually think it’s an exciting roster. Do I want to see a team full of aging players coming over here for a last pay check? No, I’ve seen it. Do I want to see a new structure that is trying to change the culture of the club which a new direction off ice and on ice and give them a chance to do something different? Yes. The irony of all this is this forum has begged for change about how we do things and to have an identity we can be proud of. So they did something to attempt that and now people are saying “we should be signing the same players as the Steelers and Devils” at least give the regime a chance to show what they’re about. I don’t want to be a Steelers team. I don’t want to be a Devils team. I want a Nottingham Panthers team. And to me, a Panthers team is embodied by a blue collar work ethic. There’s a reason we see Jordan Fox as the finest man to lead this club: blue collar worker for our team. Can Janssen. Blue collar. Benedict. Blue collar. Kirtenbach. Blue collar. We identify more with these players than flair. Galbraith, Lawrence and others who had all the skill in the world will never be seen as heroes for us because they didn’t embrace what this city is about. We love Ollie because he works his butt off for 60 minutes People can agree, disagree or whatever with my post now because I am going to give them a chance. GD has said they’ll be quick, team first players. I hope he understands our identity and gets what makes the fans tick. If he gets that, then win or lose we’ll have a team to be proud of. But lets at least let them land in England before we slate them all
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Post by grrm on Aug 6, 2019 7:34:38 GMT
I know many on here like facts, so I’ll start with a couple:
1) I don’t personally know anyone on this forum, so have no axe to grind.
2) I actually like the look of this years squad and I’m looking forward to seeing them in action.
Some people on this forum are obviously “glass half empty” types and some “glass half full” types. Many are getting irritated by iginla’s constant negative comments towards the Panthers organisation, yet much of what he says is closer to the truth than the glass half full types could unfortunately ever acknowledge.
He’s portrayal of incomes and costs in the running of Panthers as “factual” is obviously wrong, as like everyone on here he doesn’t actually know the figures.
However, in my opinion he is probably reasonably close to the truth. So whilst l accept no one here will have the figures, can anyone provide reasonable logic as to why Panthers would NOT have the highest cash income of any EIHL team?
By the same token, can anyone provide reasonable logic as to why Panthers costs would by wildly higher than say Sheffield or Belfast?
Don’t forget I’m not expecting cold hard figures, just reasonable logic.
The upshot of this is I believe iginla is probably fairly close to the mark and certainly agree that relatively speaking we look like we are underspending on our squad compared to Sheffield and possibly Cardiff and Belfast.
I don’t agree with everything iginla says, but equally it does make me smile at some of the “Panthers can do no wrong” posters on here, equally laughable really. All they seem to do is pull iginla down for not having the “facts” in triplicate and signed off by Price Waterhouse.
So to finish, rather than just “poo pooing” iginla’s sentiment regarding incomes / costs:
1) let’s have some reasonable logic as to why he might be wrong
2) don’t forget I like this years squad, so I’m not actually complaining about what we have spent on the squad!
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Post by ant on Aug 6, 2019 7:42:29 GMT
Much of what you say makes total sense, the rest is down to subjectivity. As you say people make their own choices. My preference is for neither of those player types but for the Ling, Durdle, Drouin, Tessier, Craighead types which make me go wow and are as good as any team’s best player. This is reflected in my occasional attendance compared to years of having a season ticket. The Graham Garden blue collar types are all fine but I’d rather watch Barry Neickar smack seven shades out of Vial or Doyle , Craighead run the Coventry goalie and ask the whole team out or a Tess thunderbolt v the Steelers. These players came as no surprise but with pedigree. A balance of raw/ exciting plus 4/5 stellar top league players is the minimum with our budget ( our estimated revenue suggests we could and should sign better and walk the league ) but we put profit first. But as you said people need to make there own decisions based on how they they feel. What I feel cant be disputed is the poorr atmosphere,which loosing the fervent, partisan fans but being numerically still well supported by transient fans, has caused. Come Novembereach year, this forum has been in meltdown for most of the last decade - there’s a reason for this...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 7:57:27 GMT
Why don't we give Iggy his own thread, maybe called "Why you shouldn't support Panthers", and let him moan away. The only proviso is that he cannot post in any other thread. You can look if you want to then.
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