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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 15:15:03 GMT
Haha all you thinking there's anyone a lot more decent / potent out there are going to be disappointed .
Neilson will bring in a cheap euro now .
Such is the problen with Panthers play they could sign Joey Martin and there would be any obvious change
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Post by Yotes on Dec 29, 2017 15:20:13 GMT
You don't have to be NHL grade to beat 3 goals in 26 games, or whatever his numbers were.
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Post by PantherB on Dec 29, 2017 15:22:47 GMT
Haha all you thinking there's anyone a lot more decent / potent out there are going to be disappointed . Neilson will bring in a cheap euro now . Such is the problen with Panthers play they could sign Joey Martin and there would be any obvious change Tony Romano is looking for a new team I believe. Played with Odense last season, tore Denmark up. Released from his team in Norway in November so he could be an option but obviously it would be naïve to apply a logical solution to a Panthers problem. We'll probably end up with a pal of Sarkanis.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 15:48:07 GMT
Haha all you thinking there's anyone a lot more decent / potent out there are going to be disappointed . Neilson will bring in a cheap euro now . Such is the problen with Panthers play they could sign Joey Martin and there would be any obvious change Tony Romano is looking for a new team I believe. Played with Odense last season, tore Denmark up. Released from his team in Norway in November so he could be an option but obviously it would be naïve to apply a logical solution to a Panthers problem. We'll probably end up with a pal of Sarkanis. Exactly . This is a move to appease the locals. Nothing more . Cheap euro written all over lol
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Post by iginla on Dec 29, 2017 17:01:09 GMT
About bloody time too.......Who's next ? My money's on Sauve,Bussieres or Derlago. I very much doubt Sauve and Derlago will be released, Bussieres there is a case for his lack of goals but I think he brings so much more in other areas and i would be dissapointed if we let him go Yeah i doubt it would be Derlago,but looking at the other imports i can't see another candidate for the chop other than those three. It isn't going to be a goalie,Mosey or Lindhagen,Brown and Spang are in 2nd year Uni deals,can't see it being Phillips or any other Dman.....so that leaves Bussieres,Sauve and Derlago. Especially as Sauve and Derlago will be in the top few earners but aren't really earning their top money. Find it very odd though,that Brock Wilson rightly criticises Panthers,then two days later his boy Shalla gets gassed ! Right decision but.... Mmmm,more to that than meets the eye maybe behind the scenes.
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Post by iginla on Dec 29, 2017 17:13:32 GMT
Haha all you thinking there's anyone a lot more decent / potent out there are going to be disappointed . Neilson will bring in a cheap euro now . Such is the problen with Panthers play they could sign Joey Martin and there would be any obvious change I can't see them bringing a cheap Euro in Pidge. Panthers are incredibly stupid at times yes,but they ain't that stupid,they know that wouldn't cut it. I reckon it will be somebody very similar in CV to Tony Romano or maybe even him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 17:16:40 GMT
Haha all you thinking there's anyone a lot more decent / potent out there are going to be disappointed . Neilson will bring in a cheap euro now . Such is the problen with Panthers play they could sign Joey Martin and there would be any obvious change I can't see them bringing a cheap Euro in Pidge. Panthers are incredibly stupid at times yes,but they ain't that stupid,they know that wouldn't cut it. I reckon it will be somebody very similar in CV to Tony Romano or maybe even him. We ll see bud but I ain't confident now . Shame after such early season promise . Neilson has lost the plot even by his clown standards!
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Post by PantherB on Dec 29, 2017 17:17:04 GMT
I very much doubt Sauve and Derlago will be released, Bussieres there is a case for his lack of goals but I think he brings so much more in other areas and i would be dissapointed if we let him go Yeah i doubt it would be Derlago,but looking at the other imports i can't see another candidate for the chop other than those three. It isn't going to be a goalie,Mosey or Lindhagen,Brown and Spang are in 2nd year Uni deals,can't see it being Phillips or any other Dman.....so that leaves Bussieres,Sauve and Derlago. Especially as Sauve and Derlago will be in the top few earners but aren't really earning their top money. Find it very odd though,that Brock Wilson rightly criticises Panthers,then two days later his boy Shalla gets gassed ! Right decision but.... Mmmm,more to that than meets the eye maybe behind the scenes. Without sounding disrespectful, it's a bit tin foil hat to link the two incidents together. Shalla has been poor, on borrowed time for the last month and if December wasn't so hectic I'd have expected him to have been cut earlier than he has. Brock saying what he did seemed nothing more than him being fed up at seeing us fans seriously disappointed with the club, when he knows the club could and should be 10x better than it is, in all areas. I think Shalla will have been told prior to today that he was more than likely going to be released, unless he caught fire on the ice.. obviously he hasn't done that so he's gone.
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Post by Bagheera on Dec 29, 2017 17:28:59 GMT
I seriously hope nobody else is getting gassed unless we have at least 3 coming in. 2 newbies now takes us to 1 over limit(excluding goalies). Need to ensure we carry that spare now for the run in(Should have been anyway). 2 top end forwards, then if Sauve gets cut bring in another Dman too. Can't see it mind. It takes a hell of a lot for one player to get gassed at Panthers, I cant see 2 going just on a shake up.
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Post by iginla on Dec 29, 2017 17:35:13 GMT
Yeah i doubt it would be Derlago,but looking at the other imports i can't see another candidate for the chop other than those three. It isn't going to be a goalie,Mosey or Lindhagen,Brown and Spang are in 2nd year Uni deals,can't see it being Phillips or any other Dman.....so that leaves Bussieres,Sauve and Derlago. Especially as Sauve and Derlago will be in the top few earners but aren't really earning their top money. Find it very odd though,that Brock Wilson rightly criticises Panthers,then two days later his boy Shalla gets gassed ! Right decision but.... Mmmm,more to that than meets the eye maybe behind the scenes. Without sounding disrespectful, it's a bit tin foil hat to link the two incidents together. Shalla has been poor, on borrowed time for the last month and if December wasn't so hectic I'd have expected him to have been cut earlier than he has. Brock saying what he did seemed nothing more than him being fed up at seeing us fans seriously disappointed with the club, when he knows the club could and should be 10x better than it is, in all areas. I think Shalla will have been told prior to today that he was more than likely going to be released, unless he caught fire on the ice.. obviously he hasn't done that so he's gone. Mmmm i dunno about that. Something hasn't been right in that dressing room lately though,because it isn't just Shalla that's been poor,virtually the whole lot of them have been shocking the last month or so,even guys like Farmer and Brown have looked a shadow of what we know they can be. I bet Brock knows a lot more than he's saying.
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 29, 2017 17:53:18 GMT
I bet Brock knows a lot more than he's saying. Yep, I reckon so too. Whilst Shalla has been living on borrowed time for a while, could feeding Brock information on what is going on inside the team have been the final straw?
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Post by dill1015 on Dec 29, 2017 18:21:25 GMT
In regards to other players.
Phillips: id put on 2 weeks notice. I have the same problwm with him as i did bead moran. Hes not consistently a treat. Your first line centre needs to be a danger man, a guy other teams always have to watch. Phillips isnt. Clearly skilled but deifts in and out of the season.
Derlago: i think he badly lacks a pkay maker next to him so im cutting him some slack, but he is here to score goals and i still think he should be on more.
Bussiers: alot of people memtioning this guy but i really like him. I think he has a great skill set but has been chronically misused by corey from day 1. Hes strong on the boards and doesnt turn the puck over. And what i really is when he wins the puck he gets his head up and looks for guys in front of goal instead of just recycling around the boards. I think if he had guys that play to his strengths he'd be really valuable. He really does need to bear down on sviring chances i lost count of how many he should have put away.
I wouldnt be getting rid of anyone else. But i serious talking to is needed because as a unit we look mentally beat atm.
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Post by shinobi on Dec 29, 2017 18:26:46 GMT
I’ve called on him to get axed, so I’m glad he has as it clearly wasn’t working for him. Good luck to him though; need a good replacement however.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 29, 2017 19:10:04 GMT
Can we tempt lawrence back ? He can help with coaching as well. Sorry, its Christmas, not April fool !! As much as I like Phillips, and keep expecting derlago to come good, I can see one of them going if they dont start producing soon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 19:54:07 GMT
Shalla is just a scapegoat, ALL of the players are suffering an inexplicable lack of form. I just cannot see how a team who were playing so well at the beginning of the season have come to this unless there is something fundamentally wrong on the coaching/management side - surely all of the players can’t hit bad form all at the same time for no apparent reason.
It’s obviously not lack of skill, and if it’s lack of confidence and the coach can’t address that, then maybe another coach could.
Was he pushed, or did he jump? I can imagine Shalla saying to Brock Wilson, “Get me out of this shambles!” It will be very interesting to see Shalla’s performance if he is picked up by another EIHL team.
I agree with Iginla - there’s more to this than meets the eye. There is something rotten in Pantherland!
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Post by ted logan on Dec 29, 2017 19:57:15 GMT
This might go against the grain slightly and there is no doubting that his domestic output has been poor.
However, I can’t help but think that the coach has a played a part in Shalla’s demise by playing him on a line (for weeks) with Lachowicz and Betteridge. That was never, ever going to be a line where Shalla would flourish goals-wise. CN just didn’t get the best out of him. You don't get to be a top 10 ECHL scorer for nothing.
Still feel that on the right team/line, with the right coach, he could tear up this league.
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Post by wgray on Dec 29, 2017 20:06:14 GMT
I personally feel that Shalla has been the unfortunate one in all of this. His poor stats have been the result of Corey not utilising his strengths, he’s not been consistently with our most creative players and then when he has he’s been played on his off wing, which doesn’t suit his style of play I don’t believe.
One thing we can probably take from all of this is we have another player on the way, let’s hope it’s a right handed goal scorer.
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Post by wilx on Dec 29, 2017 20:35:21 GMT
About bloody time too.......Who's next ? My money's on Sauve,Bussieres or Derlago. I think there won't be another one this is the token sacrifice to try and save his own job. Does anyone actually believe that talks are at an advanced stage? That is another statement to make us things are going to change. It won't be announced for at least a week and will be in about 2 weeks if european and about a month if not is my bet. Nothing was being done before the Steelers losses.
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Post by iginla on Dec 29, 2017 20:40:57 GMT
About bloody time too.......Who's next ? My money's on Sauve,Bussieres or Derlago. I think there won't be another one this is the token sacrifice to try and save his own job. Does anyone actually believe that talks are at an advanced stage? That is another statement to make us things are going to change. It won't be announced for at least a week and will be in about 2 weeks if european and about a month if not is my bet. Nothing was being done before the Steelers losses. I reckon it will be one signing and see if we improve. If we don’t a second replacement will come in. What’s the betting we win tomorrow. I reckon about 10/1 on favourite now they’ve been threatened. Be interesting to see if Black can be bothered to get off his backside and come watch a game for a change !
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Post by Mark on Dec 29, 2017 20:49:43 GMT
Agree with wilx. I doubt anything was happening before the Sheffield games. As usual the Panthers are run worse than a school tuck shop. Reactive rather than proactive, that’s why we have this pathetic scenario every season. This will never change unless certain off ice personnel are shown the door.
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Post by dp on Dec 29, 2017 21:08:41 GMT
The thing with all of this though....look at the "On Ice" section of the Panthers website. Look at the forwards in particular and compare them to Cardiff's - it's just nowhere near a title winning set of forwards.
But then a lot of us said that before the season started and were shouted down. I was slightly less pessimistic when we signed Perlini, but us doing even OK still relied on Clarke having an incredible season based on who else we'd signed.
Corey is rightly taking a load of the blame, but you put Lord in charge of our squad and he wouldn't be top of the league. But is it Corey's fault for poor recruitment? Black for not spending enough? GM for not spending enough? Brock Wilson's implication that GM/Black are leading to players underperforming? (which is by no means the first time I've heard that)
Who knows? All I know is that whatever the cause is, we've finished mid table for the last few seasons whilst generating the most revenue in the league.
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Post by No 29 on Dec 29, 2017 21:33:26 GMT
This might go against the grain slightly and there is no doubting that his domestic output has been poor. However, I can’t help but think that the coach has a played a part in Shalla’s demise by playing him on a line (for weeks) with Lachowicz and Betteridge. That was never, ever going to be a line where Shalla would flourish goals-wise. CN just didn’t get the best out of him. You don't get to be a top 10 ECHL scorer for nothing. Still feel that on the right team/line, with the right coach, he could tear up this league. I agree with you but there's also the possibility that it was Shalla that was the problem ( his attitude?) and he was put with Lacho and Ollie to give him a kick up his backside. His swift exit might also tie in with this.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 29, 2017 21:54:46 GMT
This might go against the grain slightly and there is no doubting that his domestic output has been poor. However, I can’t help but think that the coach has a played a part in Shalla’s demise by playing him on a line (for weeks) with Lachowicz and Betteridge. That was never, ever going to be a line where Shalla would flourish goals-wise. CN just didn’t get the best out of him. You don't get to be a top 10 ECHL scorer for nothing. Still feel that on the right team/line, with the right coach, he could tear up this league. I agree with you but there's also the possibility that it was Shalla that was the problem ( his attitude?) and he was put with Lacho and Ollie to give him a kick up his backside. His swift exit might also tie in with this. Entirely possible. Shame though, whatever happened. Definite underachiever. Put him in a ‘should have done better’ team with Davis Parley, Jonathan Zion, etc.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Dec 30, 2017 16:16:27 GMT
Unfortunately for Shalla it’s a results based business and being brought in as a goal scorer and not scoring he was always in line to be released. Hopefully doesn’t pop up in the EIHL for another team and start scoring but I wouldn’t be surprised if a team picked him up and put him with a player to complement his abilities. He was quality in the CHL and has scored at a PPG in the challenge cup. Hopefully we bring someone in and they rip up the goals collumn for us!
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Post by bobness on Dec 31, 2017 8:58:45 GMT
In regards to other players. Phillips: id put on 2 weeks notice. I have the same problwm with him as i did bead moran. Hes not consistently a treat. Your first line centre needs to be a danger man, a guy other teams always have to watch. Phillips isnt. Clearly skilled but deifts in and out of the season. Derlago: i think he badly lacks a pkay maker next to him so im cutting him some slack, but he is here to score goals and i still think he should be on more. Bussiers: alot of people memtioning this guy but i really like him. I think he has a great skill set but has been chronically misused by corey from day 1. Hes strong on the boards and doesnt turn the puck over. And what i really is when he wins the puck he gets his head up and looks for guys in front of goal instead of just recycling around the boards. I think if he had guys that play to his strengths he'd be really valuable. He really does need to bear down on sviring chances i lost count of how many he should have put away. I wouldnt be getting rid of anyone else. But i serious talking to is needed because as a unit we look mentally beat atm. An alternative view Phillips: Top line centre, 5 goals all season, wildly inconsistent. His goal vs Blaze was his first point in 7 games. Derlago: Clearly has it, but badly misused for me. Needs a playmaker to work with. Bussieres: I think I've been watching someone else. Last few games he's been skating in treacle, CBA body language. 3 goals all season? Pointless in his last 8 games. Mokshantsev: Terrible lately, very few flashes of anything like the class we saw earlier. (2 points in last 7 games) 3 of the above all play on one line, which was put together in game 11 I think. Cast your minds back to 10 games in. Panthers are flying, Perlini, Shalla and Farmer are scoring almost for fun. By Christmas, 2 of those are on the 4th line, neither are getting any points (Farmer 3 in his last 10, Shalla pointless in his last 9 games), and one gets released. 51/71/91 has never really clicked in anything but fits and starts but Neilson has kept it together longer than a line that was absolutely on fire...
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