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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 13:11:44 GMT
There's 5 weeks to the end of the season Rob (thank fudge) stick it out and return in September . It's not a lifetime ban is it .
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 21, 2018 13:18:27 GMT
There's 5 weeks to the end of the season Rob (thank fudge) stick it out and return in September . It's not a lifetime ban is it . No but it's an unjust ban. That's the point. They shouldn't be allowed to ban people for a made up reason and just get away with it. What are they trying to hide? Why have they gone to such lengths to derail the Supporters Trust? Why would they lie to their Landlord about something like this?
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 21, 2018 13:26:16 GMT
There's 5 weeks to the end of the season Rob (thank fudge) stick it out and return in September . It's not a lifetime ban is it . Isn't that beside the point. Is it right that, given the evidence presented, the Panthers Organisation are happy to 'muddy the water' with false claims of legal action? Is it right that the Panthers Organisation have besmirched Rob's name with accusations of abusive and threatening comments made towards Neil Black? It's easy to say "stick it out and return in September" when it's not your name being dragged through the mud. To be honest I'm amazed at Rob's restraint in this matter. If the Panthers had carried out this towards me I'd have been camped out at their offices, or perhaps moved on by the Police by now!!
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Post by GuinnessMan on Feb 21, 2018 13:35:12 GMT
Simply disgraceful and showing a distinct lack of morals/ethics/compassion/common sense.
I've not been to a game since robs ban and no intention to do so for the rest of this season.
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Post by mardibum on Feb 21, 2018 13:45:37 GMT
Can’t believe that the club has been so stupid as to lie to a third party (confirmed by the third party) , defaming your character and leaving themselves wide open to a cast-iron charge of slander!
Solicitor’s letter direct to Black, threatening legal action? Realise that you might be moving into a phase where you won’t be able to keep us updated, but good luck! Even if you only get a written letter of apology from them it will vindicate your position.
Keep us posted, if possible.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 21, 2018 14:11:30 GMT
Disgraceful, if entirely unsurprising, behaviour. I don't know the legal ins and outs, and don't envy you being on the receiving end, but I'd be amazed if they're allowed to say stuff like that to a third party.
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Post by meadow on Feb 21, 2018 14:58:09 GMT
What an absolute tyre fire the running of this club is at times - besides all the potential lies of litigation (which seemingly have legal implications they've not even begun to take into account...) what sort of business would let something like this drag on with no resolution and all over a public forum, which, "just a little forum" or not, they clearly read and take notice of.
It just shows the utter contempt they have for paying customers and complacency they have in their business model where they let petty little vendettas that the chair / GM / whoever have about being challenged play out like this, instead of engaging in some form of dialogue.
Honestly, how much would of taken for the club to actually appraise this and say 'ok we hear your point, but NB still feels your behavior was excessive, so we'll shorten the ban till the end of the 2017 calendar year if you tell people that the matter is being dealt with satisfactorily' for example, rather than risk alienating more and more of the core fanbase reading this on here??
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Post by wgray on Feb 21, 2018 15:11:05 GMT
I don’t want to speculate but could the club and arena be in cohorts and the arena used the supposed litigation as a reason to remove themselves from the situation? Surely the arena would have to see evidence (such as a letter/document) from the club that says they are in litigation against you before making the decision not to assist you. Rob, have you been back in touch with the arena to inform them that the club aren’t in litigation with yourself?
Whatever the case Rob I hope you can get help and the right outcome.
I don’t understand what the club’s intentions are here, they are just exposing themselves and making the void between the true fanbase and the club even bigger. What were they going to gain from doing this to Rob?
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 21, 2018 16:42:30 GMT
Surely the arena would have to see evidence (such as a letter/document) from the club that says they are in litigation against you before making the decision not to assist you... Sadly the Arena don't have to do or see anything. It is up to the promoter of events held at the Arena (in this case, Panthers) as to who they allow to attend events. Ultimately this dispute is between the promoter and Rob. Interestingly though, by choosing to involve themselves and by passing on allegations of litigation made by the Panthers, they've given Rob an 'in'.
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Post by EMB on Feb 21, 2018 17:02:04 GMT
The sooner Neil Black sells this club and takes GM with him the better, a bunch of liars who are using scare tactics to frighten people, The Organisation are a closed shop and I would imagine the start of the Supporters Trust has ruffled a few feathers, things getting a bit to close for comfort & what you might unearth. This whole sorry saga is making them look very shifty. I feel for you Rob because there’s not a lot we can do to help. I see the 2nd Q&A we were supposed to be having has been scrapped, very convenient that.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 21, 2018 17:24:00 GMT
The sooner Neil Black sells this club... Its not Neil Black's to sell.
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Post by shinobi on Feb 21, 2018 17:28:42 GMT
The sooner Neil Black sells this club... Its not Neil Black's to sell. Cue dramatic music...
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 21, 2018 17:30:23 GMT
No dramatic music required. Minority share holders don't make decisions for the majority though.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 21, 2018 17:32:48 GMT
How are you working out that Black is a minority share holder? Owns half doesn't he?
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 21, 2018 19:09:42 GMT
How are you working out that Black is a minority share holder? Owns half doesn't he? Does he?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 19:11:21 GMT
The sooner Neil Black sells this club and takes GM with him the better, a bunch of liars who are using scare tactics to frighten people, The Organisation are a closed shop and I would imagine the start of the Supporters Trust has ruffled a few feathers, things getting a bit to close for comfort & what you might unearth. This whole sorry saga is making them look very shifty. I feel for you Rob because there’s not a lot we can do to help. I see the 2nd Q&A we were supposed to be having has been scrapped, very convenient that. Well you pay him a grand every summer... amongst many others
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Post by spik on Feb 21, 2018 19:18:55 GMT
Rob,Brilliant constructive support here.Not that I'm staying away just because of this.But it confirms the intention to return would be wrong.Highlights the reason to stay away and spend my money elsewhere.Away games putting money into other rink/arenas as an example.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 21, 2018 19:32:05 GMT
I see the 2nd Q&A we were supposed to be having has been scrapped, very convenient that. Do you have a source for that? I don't generally read the Panthers propaganda as it's largely just about hawking tickets or trying to gloss over failings at the club.
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Post by pantherdman on Feb 21, 2018 21:39:49 GMT
The management can’t even manage the banning of one fan? Lol that sums it up for me, what a joke.
I think the arena route is the way to go with this. The arena is owned by the council and the council are answerable to the public.
Panthers can change the coach as much as they like but the rot is at the top.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 21, 2018 22:36:12 GMT
The arena is owned by the council and the council are answerable to the public. Whilst this may be true the promoters that use the Arena are not answerable to the public and, other than on discriminatory grounds, they are free to choose who can/can't attend their events. This said, being caught in the crossfire of this pathetic ban won't be good for the Arena's image.
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Post by EMB on Feb 22, 2018 0:26:59 GMT
I see the 2nd Q&A we were supposed to be having has been scrapped, very convenient that. Do you have a source for that? I don't generally read the Panthers propaganda as it's largely just about hawking tickets or trying to gloss over failings at the club. A lot of unrest at the moment Tootoo, he won’t do one while everyone’s chomping at the bit, anyway he hasn’t got time now he’s too busy looking through the hundreds of applications for a new coach.
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 22, 2018 10:34:19 GMT
Can’t believe that the club has been so stupid as to lie to a third party (confirmed by the third party) , defaming your character and leaving themselves wide open to a cast-iron charge of slander! Solicitor’s letter direct to Black, threatening legal action? Realise that you might be moving into a phase where you won’t be able to keep us updated, but good luck! Even if you only get a written letter of apology from them it will vindicate your position. Keep us posted, if possible. I really don't understand what they are trying to achieve by handling the situation like this. I kind of get why they wanted to kill the Supporters Trust but to carry on like this with the Arena seems crazy. Surely it would have been better for them to deal with this privately by having a grown up conversation with me or by responding to one of my numerous emails and letters but instead they lie to the Arena about litigation and refuse to communicate at all which leads to them being called out publicly. This is supposed to be a professional business after all.
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 22, 2018 10:35:59 GMT
Disgraceful, if entirely unsurprising, behaviour. I don't know the legal ins and outs, and don't envy you being on the receiving end, but I'd be amazed if they're allowed to say stuff like that to a third party. I honestly can't see what the logic is here. Surely it would have been better to deal with this situation in private like adults?
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 22, 2018 13:04:35 GMT
The arena is owned by the council and the council are answerable to the public. Whilst this may be true the promoters that use the Arena are not answerable to the public and, other than on discriminatory grounds, they are free to choose who can/can't attend their events. This said, being caught in the crossfire of this pathetic ban won't be good for the Arena's image. I've emailed the arena this morning to see if they are prepared to re open communication channels now that it has become apparent that Panthers were lying to them about the litigation.
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Post by PantherG on Feb 22, 2018 23:16:56 GMT
If Neil Black is a minority member, who is the majority stakeholder?
Have to say if I was treated like this I would be off, I couldn’t pay a penny to an organisation that treated me with such contempt.
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