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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 18:56:21 GMT
For those of you who do not visit the Supporters Trust thread, could you please take a moment to read the following.
At the last Q&A session, Neil Black made a statement that the Trust had NOT been threatened and that it HAD been offered a meeting in Nottingham. I can only assume that Mr. Black had not seen the contents of the letter his solicitor had sent, as both of these statements are totally incorrect. The Trust were threatened with legal action, and were offered, at short notice, a meeting in Leicester.
Rather than let the assembled fans leave with entirely the wrong impression, Rob Scott, Chair of the Trust’s Interim Board challenged Mr. Black.
For his attempt to tell the truth regarding the situation (and even though he has written evidence in the form of the original letter) Rob has been banned from attending future home games.
Rob is a dedicated supporter of the Panthers who travelled to Bern to watch the team in their European campaign. He had just started taking his young son to the home games.
He has always been, in his capacity of Chair of the Trust, extremely courteous and careful in his approaches to the club in an attempt to engage them in meaningful two-way communication.
Banning your supporters for dissent seems a totally draconian measure.
Please would you take the time to email the Panther’s office at info@panthers.co.uk. Just put something like, “Rob Scott – Lift the Ban!”, no need to write a lengthy email, unless you feel strongly about the clubs actions.
I make this request of everyone. This is not something that affects only the Trust. Any one of you who dares, in future, to make a passing comment or complaint to Neil Black or Gary Moran may face the same prospects, so please don’t think “I’m not in the Trust, it doesn’t matter”. As for my own position - I am in the Trust, but not on the board. I have written to Neil Black at the Panther's email address and have given him my full name, address and telephone number. I am not making this request on behalf of the Trust or its Board, and Rob knows nothing about this (well, he probably does now!)
Please take 30 seconds to email, and see what response comes back from the club.
Let's get Rob back in the Arena.
Thanks.
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Post by dp on Oct 22, 2017 19:02:29 GMT
Is anybody surprised? I, and many others I've spoken to, no longer go to Panthers (apart from the odd visit) because of precisely this type of thing. I'm a Panthers fan but the current owner and management make me sick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 19:25:43 GMT
If the Panthers side of the story ever came out you'd stop your bleating.
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Post by dp on Oct 22, 2017 19:37:52 GMT
If the Panthers side of the story ever came out you'd stop your bleating. I'd love to hear it. Please can you tell us? I'm not saying this as a big fan or member of the supporter's trust. From what I can make out they haven't been perfect and have made mistakes; but they're a supporter's trust - they don't have to be perfect. The club should be helping them rather than trying to humiliate them. I always think it's very telling that the chairman of the Forest Supporters trust, who are getting such huge credit throughout the football world, is a chap who was a massive Panthers fan and regular poster on here, but lost interest largely because of the way Panthers were being run. To me that says it all.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 22, 2017 20:00:46 GMT
The argument appears to be what was or not in the alleged letter - until this is in the public domain then people will continue to speculate - personally I think the ban is OTT but I was not at the Q&A so have to rely on hearsay (as do many others) - Difficult to see how the ban can be imposed as the incident happened away from the arena, and if legal could have serious implications for any-one who dares to criticise any body in authority - i.e. don't say anything bad about security etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 21:17:06 GMT
I don't know what the Trust are doing or have been advised to do, but as someone who has read the letter I really do assure you that the original post is 100% true. In deference to the Trust I cannot publish it myself.
Irrespective of that, do you think a ban for disagreeing with the chairman is fair? If not, please email.
If you feel so inclined, could you spread this campaign via Facebook and Twitter? I am absolutely hopeless at this social media thing!
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Post by spik on Oct 22, 2017 22:18:47 GMT
If the Panthers side of the story ever came out you'd stop your bleating. So what is it? You seem to know something? If your not prepared to say than all I can gather is that the Trust are only stating what the situation is. That Panthers took issue with the Trusts contact and have got solicitors into action. If a meeting was to be arranged, why the hell would the Trust scupper it? I think 'silversenior' has a heart here and is saddened by such an action to a family man who supports the team. No one has evidence of Rob playing foul. To think his intentions were to build good relations.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Oct 23, 2017 7:08:07 GMT
On what grounds are the Panthers allowed to ban people from using the Arena to attend events ? As Panthers don't own the building I'm surprised that they can do this without the cooperation of the NIC, who would only surely ban some-one on grounds of security. I'm not doubting that the ban exists, I'm just puzzled by the legality of it. If Panthers don't want the gentleman concerned attending matches, why haven't they extended the ban to cover away games as well.
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 23, 2017 7:17:12 GMT
On what grounds are the Panthers allowed to ban people from using the Arena to attend events ? As Panthers don't own the building I'm surprised that they can do this without the cooperation of the NIC, who would only surely ban some-one on grounds of security. I'm not doubting that the ban exists, I'm just puzzled by the legality of it. If Panthers don't want the gentleman concerned attending matches, why haven't they extended the ban to cover away games as well. Surely, as they are hiring the premises for their event, the Panthers have the right/power to decide who is allowed in? I'm not saying this ban is right or wrong, but surely as they are paying to use the place they already have the "cooperation of the NIC"?
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Post by dexter on Oct 23, 2017 7:27:00 GMT
This ban seems bang out of order and OTT. Happy to support this and send an email. I hope the Supporters Trust are taking action behind the scenes.
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 23, 2017 11:22:46 GMT
Would be interesting to hear the opinion of the folks over at The Cats Whiskers on this.
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Post by iginla on Oct 23, 2017 12:22:39 GMT
Would be interesting to hear the opinion of the folks over at The Cats Whiskers on this. It will involve a fence ! 😂
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Post by spik on Oct 23, 2017 13:09:14 GMT
On what grounds are the Panthers allowed to ban people from using the Arena to attend events ? As Panthers don't own the building I'm surprised that they can do this without the cooperation of the NIC, who would only surely ban some-one on grounds of security. I'm not doubting that the ban exists, I'm just puzzled by the legality of it. If Panthers don't want the gentleman concerned attending matches, why haven't they extended the ban to cover away games as well. Surely, as they are hiring the premises for their event, the Panthers have the right/power to decide who is allowed in? I'm not saying this ban is right or wrong, but surely as they are paying to use the place they already have the "cooperation of the NIC"? It is true. They have order to ban and have (maybe) informed the NIC, but may have not done so also. The main problem here is the reasoning of a ban. If every 1 in 10 in a quewe outside were declined entry it would not be acceptable. Likewise here, nothing seems to have been done by the person to warrant being banned, I understand he only debated a subject matter having proof of what he stressed at that time so the general public were aware and that the Trust was not offered a meeting per request, rather threatened (on the clubs terms) actions subject to alteration of things at very short notice. A 'meeting' (if that what it was called) to discuss the clubs interests, I gather, in reply to several Trust contacts which were ignored.Not to offer an olive branch. I believe the Trust conformed to all the clubs request.
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Post by wgray on Oct 23, 2017 13:28:58 GMT
Surely this ban can't be legal? There has to be some justification to ban somebody from purchasing something and a disagreement, argument or whatever it was can't be enough can it?
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Post by mattscold on Oct 23, 2017 13:49:47 GMT
Surely this ban can't be legal? There has to be some justification to ban somebody from purchasing something and a disagreement, argument or whatever it was can't be enough can it? I imagine there is a clause to the effect of 'Panthers reserve the right to refuse entry to any person....' or something like that. Seems a disproportionately harsh sentence for simply questioning MB's account of what happened. Makes me wonder if there is more to this.
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Post by PantherB on Oct 23, 2017 15:01:07 GMT
Can only agree with the general consensus that it appears to be an incredibly harsh decision, however, I'm very interested in hearing what Black/GM think of it too. I don't want to believe that something as generic as questioning the owner at his own Q&A could lead to this action, it sounds fishy.
It's come at arguably the worst timing for the club too, improvements across the board, international recognition for the Continental Cup and our performance in the CHL.. but it's going to be this which could cast a shadow over it all, without knowing all the facts, it's a petty decision that has been made by the club.
I hope the club can sort this all out behind closed doors. Damage Control and everything.
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Post by Mark on Oct 23, 2017 18:36:04 GMT
Standard Panthers reaction. You will never get anywhere with the current regime, they just close ranks and treat the paying fans with contempt.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 24, 2017 13:16:32 GMT
Let’s put this bed shall we about rob and his trust . Rob has been kicked out of the arena twice for abuse of players and staff . These were a few years ago but after pleading his case he was allowed back in. The last time he was basically given a final warning . Now this is all on top of him being banned from he city ground for similar issues . I can see exactly why he’s been banned going on his history it’s those that paid money into this trust I feel sorry for. So don’t believe everything this guy tells you . He’s out to make trouble for the club and divide the fans . Hi Truthsayer. I'm not sure what your agenda is but let me set the record straight. I have never been banned from the NIC before. I was threatened with a ban years ago but this was never up held because I hadn't done anything wrong. I'm not a Forest fan and have never even spoken to a steward or anyone at Nottingham Forest football club so that is a total lie. The trust has already helped to deliver some of the things we set out to do and I think all fans would agree that the clubs communication with it's fans has improved over the last 15 months. The trust will continue to try it's best to deliver the wishes of it's members and the wider fan base. I'm certainly not out to make trouble for anyone. There are and never were any negative motives behind the trust. For me it's about helping to make the club be the best it can be for the benefit of all fans. I'm hoping to get this grossly unjust ban revoked asap so that I can get back to supporting the club I love at their home games. Cheers Rob 07974 330553
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Post by mattscold on Oct 24, 2017 14:19:04 GMT
Let’s put this bed shall we about rob and his trust . Rob has been kicked out of the arena twice for abuse of players and staff . These were a few years ago but after pleading his case he was allowed back in. The last time he was basically given a final warning . Now this is all on top of him being banned from he city ground for similar issues . I can see exactly why he’s been banned going on his history it’s those that paid money into this trust I feel sorry for. So don’t believe everything this guy tells you . He’s out to make trouble for the club and divide the fans . So account an hour old, and you have 2 posts of exactly the same thing on 2 different threads. I'd say are you Gary Moran but i doubt it as the spelling seems too good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 14:56:32 GMT
Thank you for your libellous post, truthsayer. It is obvious from your alleged knowledge about Rob's previous Panther's "bans" that you actually work for the organisation.
I'm sure everyone will now see what lengths you will go to to sink the trust. I hope you inspire more people to join the trust - we obviously need one!
What next? Misappropriation of funds like the old Supporter's Club? We're after getting you and Corey sacked?
God, I'd hate to be you with your insecurity!
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Oct 24, 2017 17:56:41 GMT
Let’s put this bed shall we about rob and his trust . Rob has been kicked out of the arena twice for abuse of players and staff . These were a few years ago but after pleading his case he was allowed back in. The last time he was basically given a final warning . Now this is all on top of him being banned from he city ground for similar issues . I can see exactly why he’s been banned going on his history it’s those that paid money into this trust I feel sorry for. So don’t believe everything this guy tells you . He’s out to make trouble for the club and divide the fans . So account an hour old, and you have 2 posts of exactly the same thing on 2 different threads. I'd say are you Gary Moran but i doubt it as the spelling seems too good. That post has Moran all over it 😂
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Post by dp on Oct 24, 2017 18:35:43 GMT
It does actually - the first line has awful punctuation so it's a dead giveaway. If a sentence has "shall we" in, then it's a question, and therefore should be followed by a question mark. I've been reading that sort of amateurish drivel for years on the official website.
If I were Rob, I'd be contacting a "no win, no fee" solicitor pretty sharpish. I still remember why the Cage became log in only in the first place - because apparently "libellous" posts had been made about Scott Allison after an incident in Belfast so legal threats were made to the moderators - you know, the moderators who were just Panthers fans and were doing their best to moderate the forum in their spare time, basically to provide a service to the Panthers free of charge. It's no exaggeration to say that when I first started watching Panthers nearly 20 years ago I didn't know many people who were interested in it, and coming on the Cage was the only way I could find info and discuss games. If it hadn't been for The Cage I'd have lost interest very quickly, so this place is responsible for literally thousands of pounds of revenue for Black and the rest of the league - and that's just from me.
I've absolutely no idea who Rob is, and no reason to believe him - except I've heard this sort of thing many times coming out of the club over the last few years from people I DO know, and I KNOW aren't lying.
The Panthers are an awful organisation in my eyes - and I say that as a Panthers fan - and it's exactly why I, and many others I know, no longer give our hard earned cash to this set up; they make Fawaz look like the management team at Apple.
If Black or any of his boys are reading, it's time to make some changes. As long as the Panthers aren't selling out every single game, then they're being badly run - that's your benchmark...
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Oct 24, 2017 19:55:04 GMT
Moran definitely wouldn’t miss an opportunity inflate his own opinion by calling himself ‘the truth sayer’... who else would make an account with that name and only comment on a thread about the trust.
Personally I’d be keen to hear more from ‘the truth sayer’ though... I’ll crack open the popcorn as a simple observer with not much interest either way.
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Post by hasdrubaal on Oct 24, 2017 20:32:58 GMT
The guy is a troll and most of you have fallen for it.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Oct 24, 2017 21:38:47 GMT
The guy is a troll and most of you have fallen for it. I think he let on a bit more than to be just labelled as a ‘troll’!
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