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Post by Pies on Aug 29, 2017 11:15:44 GMT
But only if your knowledge base knows that they're a big team. Panthers maybe need to sell that information better! I think you are spot on there. I've not seen much hype to be honest in the wider media. Don't agree with ticket prices being as high as they are though. I'd say £10 a ticket would be fair,get 5-6000 in and show Europe what we can do would be the way to go. Perhaps. I don't know if low cost tickets would have any impact or not but I've paid 19quid for mine because I know it's a big game. But for Joe Public, 19 quid against a team you've never heard of will be a put off. But if they sold it as "largest team in Europe comes to town in Champions League action" it may have helped. I don't think it's just us though. No fan base seems to take the completion seriously
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Post by iginla on Aug 29, 2017 11:40:16 GMT
I think you are spot on there. I've not seen much hype to be honest in the wider media. Don't agree with ticket prices being as high as they are though. I'd say £10 a ticket would be fair,get 5-6000 in and show Europe what we can do would be the way to go. Perhaps. I don't know if low cost tickets would have any impact or not but I've paid 19quid for mine because I know it's a big game. But for Joe Public, 19 quid against a team you've never heard of will be a put off. But if they sold it as "largest team in Europe comes to town in Champions League action" it may have helped. I don't think it's just us though. No fan base seems to take the completion seriously Yep I'm just a bit surprised at Panthers management. Knowing the way they love to "big most things up to the extreme" and be seen to be glamorous and pro Europe,you would think a big crowd however it was achieved,would be a top priority for them. But oddly, it seems not to be the case for some reason.
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Post by BigLad on Aug 29, 2017 12:26:38 GMT
I'm surprised at the lack of advertising for these two games tbh.
I hope word of mouth is good enough coz it'd be great to have a good sized crowd in (I'm talking 5K plus).
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 29, 2017 12:33:46 GMT
I'm surprised at the lack of advertising for these two games tbh. I hope word of mouth is good enough coz it'd be great to have a good sized crowd in (I'm talking 5K plus). Looking more like 3000 than 5000 for Thursday. Be nice to get up to at least 4000 as the arena looks decent with 4000+ in.
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Post by Pies on Aug 29, 2017 12:42:42 GMT
I think when it's come to sellers by seats, this is the first time I've thought Panthers have dropped the ball with the CHL. Literally history can be made and it's just not being pushed!
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Post by Caesar on Aug 29, 2017 13:54:15 GMT
Perhaps GM doesnt want the masses to know that the Panthers-Steelers games arent the biggest rivalry games in europe after all. 😁
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Post by iginla on Aug 29, 2017 14:06:48 GMT
Perhaps GM doesnt want the masses to know that the Panthers-Steelers games arent the biggest rivalry games in europe after all. 😁 Probably not far off the mark there Caesar. The only other thing I can think of, is watching your team get "potentially" hammered by a quality team is not the best advert to attract a casual or newbie fan to return. So that's maybe why Panthers are not pushing it ?
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 29, 2017 14:22:41 GMT
Perhaps GM doesnt want the masses to know that the Panthers-Steelers games arent the biggest rivalry games in europe after all. 😁 Probably not far off the mark there Caesar. The only other thing I can think of, is watching your team get "potentially" hammered by a quality team is not the best advert to attract a casual or newbie fan to return. So that's maybe why Panthers are not pushing it ? Nah - not buying that. Every newbie or occasional fan who has been to a game like this (against tougher opposition) that I've heard about has loved it, regardless of the score. After all... they've just experienced something fast & exciting, and they aren't jaded or disappointed like some long-term fans would be.
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Post by iginla on Aug 29, 2017 15:22:41 GMT
Probably not far off the mark there Caesar. The only other thing I can think of, is watching your team get "potentially" hammered by a quality team is not the best advert to attract a casual or newbie fan to return. So that's maybe why Panthers are not pushing it ? Nah - not buying that. Every newbie or occasional fan who has been to a game like this (against tougher opposition) that I've heard about has loved it, regardless of the score. After all... they've just experienced something fast & exciting, and they aren't jaded or disappointed like some long-term fans would be. It's not my thinking either Shaggy. I'm trying to second guess Panthers thinking !
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Post by ejt on Aug 30, 2017 10:43:27 GMT
I wonder how much the fact these games are shown on Tv affects attendance?
I'm dragging a whole load of my family along (12 of which haven't been to an ice hockey game before!), they all thought £20 a ticket was pretty reasonable so I don't think it's ticket price that's keeping people away.
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Post by Disguised on Aug 30, 2017 11:35:32 GMT
It will be a shame if the Arena is only half-full, but think that's a combo of factors : early-season so people not into hockey yet, people on vacation either that week-end or in the run-up, better things to do in the sunshine, and the general public haven't heard of the CHL nor Bern.
That's certainly the case in Sheffield where early season crowds are worse than later season ones, and friendlies against Coventry always out-sell those against a European side. (Whilst I get bored of seeing them and elect to visit you lot!)
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Post by bruinspanthers on Aug 30, 2017 12:17:07 GMT
I think you are spot on there. I've not seen much hype to be honest in the wider media. Don't agree with ticket prices being as high as they are though. I'd say £10 a ticket would be fair,get 5-6000 in and show Europe what we can do would be the way to go. Perhaps. I don't know if low cost tickets would have any impact or not but I've paid 19quid for mine because I know it's a big game. But for Joe Public, 19 quid against a team you've never heard of will be a put off. But if they sold it as "largest team in Europe comes to town in Champions League action" it may have helped. I don't think it's just us though. No fan base seems to take the completion seriously I honestly think it's a tough one to sell in that sense Saying it's the largest team in Europe would probably see Joe Public think oh £19 and probably going to lose Or save that and go to a Blaze/Steelers game where we could win and they know what they are going to get I do think tickets should be a tenner for this though Especially with it being holiday time etc...
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Post by john42 on Aug 30, 2017 12:37:37 GMT
I wonder how much the fact these games are shown on Tv affects attendance? I'm dragging a whole load of my family along (12 of which haven't been to an ice hockey game before!), they all thought £20 a ticket was pretty reasonable so I don't think it's ticket price that's keeping people away. Quite a bit id imagine, tonight's is on Freeview as well so there's no need to rush after work or spend any money the week before pay day. Neil Black has said for a while he won't allow the streaming of other games if we can't fill the stadium first, I personally would love to see that but this proves he has a point.
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Post by cjmatt42 on Aug 30, 2017 12:58:53 GMT
I wonder how much the fact these games are shown on Tv affects attendance? I'm dragging a whole load of my family along (12 of which haven't been to an ice hockey game before!), they all thought £20 a ticket was pretty reasonable so I don't think it's ticket price that's keeping people away. Quite a bit id imagine, tonight's is on Freeview as well so there's no need to rush after work or spend any money the week before pay day. Neil Black has said for a while he won't allow the streaming of other games if we can't fill the stadium first, I personally would love to see that but this proves he has a point. Wasn't it only announced as being live on TV yesterday? Cardiff had been scheduled as the Live game on Premier. Don't think that's the reason for the poor ticket sales as it hasn't had time to impact a lot of people's decision. A combination of poor advertising, people not interested in the CHL, people only turn up for Sheffield/Coventry/Cardiff/Belfast games, people concerned they'll see a hammering, ticket pricing, holidays I think are the main reasons. My biggest disappointment is nothing has been learned from the CHL campaign of a few years back when attendances were equally poor. There has been no attempt to offer an incentive for people to change their thought process, whether that have been a buy 2 get the third free or cheaper tickets across the board. Since Saturday there doesn't seem to be a rallying call that one win this week and we can be close to achieving something special. That rallying call is coming from supporters rather than the club. The Ice will only tilt if there are people there to tilt it.
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Post by john42 on Aug 30, 2017 13:51:48 GMT
Quite a bit id imagine, tonight's is on Freeview as well so there's no need to rush after work or spend any money the week before pay day. Neil Black has said for a while he won't allow the streaming of other games if we can't fill the stadium first, I personally would love to see that but this proves he has a point. Wasn't it only announced as being live on TV yesterday? Cardiff had been scheduled as the Live game on Premier. Don't think that's the reason for the poor ticket sales as it hasn't had time to impact a lot of people's decision. A combination of poor advertising, people not interested in the CHL, people only turn up for Sheffield/Coventry/Cardiff/Belfast games, people concerned they'll see a hammering, ticket pricing, holidays I think are the main reasons. My biggest disappointment is nothing has been learned from the CHL campaign of a few years back when attendances were equally poor. There has been no attempt to offer an incentive for people to change their thought process, whether that have been a buy 2 get the third free or cheaper tickets across the board. Since Saturday there doesn't seem to be a rallying call that one win this week and we can be close to achieving something special. That rallying call is coming from supporters rather than the club. The Ice will only tilt if there are people there to tilt it. On Freeview yes, chl have been streaming also, was meant as a generalisation of streaming, but quite could of said it better.
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Post by kezypanther on Aug 30, 2017 14:07:54 GMT
I think it is down to price. The season is a week away, we have already had three home pre season games. If two people attended that's £78 for silver blocks. For a family of four in the summer holidays it's just not feasable. If you want big crowds in for these games against teams many won't even have heard of you need to drop the prices. £10 an adult and £5 a child throughout the arena would have got the crowd in imo.
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Post by iginla on Aug 30, 2017 15:11:03 GMT
Quite a bit id imagine, tonight's is on Freeview as well so there's no need to rush after work or spend any money the week before pay day. Neil Black has said for a while he won't allow the streaming of other games if we can't fill the stadium first, I personally would love to see that but this proves he has a point. Wasn't it only announced as being live on TV yesterday? Cardiff had been scheduled as the Live game on Premier. Don't think that's the reason for the poor ticket sales as it hasn't had time to impact a lot of people's decision. A combination of poor advertising, people not interested in the CHL, people only turn up for Sheffield/Coventry/Cardiff/Belfast games, people concerned they'll see a hammering, ticket pricing, holidays I think are the main reasons. My biggest disappointment is nothing has been learned from the CHL campaign of a few years back when attendances were equally poor. There has been no attempt to offer an incentive for people to change their thought process, whether that have been a buy 2 get the third free or cheaper tickets across the board. Since Saturday there doesn't seem to be a rallying call that one win this week and we can be close to achieving something special. That rallying call is coming from supporters rather than the club. The Ice will only tilt if there are people there to tilt it. This post is spot on. 👍
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Post by iginla on Aug 30, 2017 15:15:10 GMT
I think it is down to price. The season is a week away, we have already had three home pre season games. If two people attended that's £78 for silver blocks. For a family of four in the summer holidays it's just not feasable. If you want big crowds in for these games against teams many won't even have heard of you need to drop the prices. £10 an adult and £5 a child throughout the arena would have got the crowd in imo. If i was Neil Black,this is exactly what I would have done. If it's true that there are a block and a half of noisy Bern fans coming on Saturday,then the NIC is going to sound like a home game for them !
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 30, 2017 15:20:37 GMT
It's interesting to note that the same things are being said by Cardiff fans about their home games... and we know that both the Bern and Mountfield away games had much lower attendances than normal for them.
It would seem that either every club involved has either not bothered at all (unlikely, I'd have thought) or the various other factors (pre-season, holidays, unknown opponents, TV coverage etc) would probably explain much of the issue.
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Post by John Casey on Aug 30, 2017 16:59:57 GMT
Would it be better if The CHL started during the season instead if before?
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 30, 2017 18:30:25 GMT
Would it be better if The CHL started during the season instead if before? For attendance figures, possibly. But quite frankly - we stand no credible chance of getting far in the CHL, so having some high-power pre-season games to help the team gel in time for the domestic campaign... that's valuable. And if all of the first-round CHL games were mid-season, that would only crowd the schedule... counter-productive.
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Post by John Casey on Aug 31, 2017 19:36:49 GMT
Turku have beaten Bern, maybe Turku are interested after all and/or Been aren't as invincible as we thought
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Post by Higgy on Aug 31, 2017 21:40:59 GMT
I can't make Saturday as I'm away but I cannot wait to see the look on the stewards faces when they see all the Bern fans....they looked concerned enough with 10 scarf waving Czech's tonight!
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Post by thebestpanthers on Aug 31, 2017 21:53:19 GMT
Just hope that if there is any fan trouble our fans do not get involved - would hate anything to spoil what has been a fantastic start to the season - and despite my moans about the Arena security I would hate for any of them to get hurt - keep the hooliganism to the football terraces and leave it out of our sedate Ice Hockey
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Post by bruinspanthers on Aug 31, 2017 23:15:23 GMT
I can't make Saturday as I'm away but I cannot wait to see the look on the stewards faces when they see all the Bern fans....they looked concerned enough with 10 scarf waving Czech's tonight! I wondered if they were going to tell them to sit down haha!
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