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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Aug 7, 2017 13:18:09 GMT
I know that Black said that we would have a full squad here by today, but did he actually say "I promise"? I'm not looking for excuses, but just curious. He made the statement of 'they will all be here by August 7th'. To be fair, I don't remember him offering a pinky promise around the room.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 7, 2017 13:19:20 GMT
Maybe just don't say that you are going to do things which you don't know you can deliver on? Also, did they only find out today that they were not going to have everyone in?
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Post by PantherB on Aug 7, 2017 13:26:18 GMT
Maybe just don't say that you are going to do things which you don't know you can deliver on? Also, did they only find out today that they were not going to have everyone in? If Visa's went smoothly for Bussieres, Mokshantsev & Zakharchenko then we'd be sat here with just Derlago and Philips missing, and both of them should be here in the next few days. Visa delays are unforeseen. Mistakes happen to everyone. It sure sounds like everyone has been doing their part promptly, but the delays are coming due to things not really in the players or Panthers' hands. Everyone but the last signing should be in by the end of the week. When was the last time that has happened?! We've had guys miss training camp in its entirety, arrive in September for the last god knows how long. Sure, we might not have hit the expected requirement but it's the best we've seen for a long time and a step forward on the past.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 13:36:39 GMT
Maybe just don't say that you are going to do things which you don't know you can deliver on? Also, did they only find out today that they were not going to have everyone in? If Visa's went smoothly for Bussieres, Mokshantsev & Zakharchenko then we'd be sat here with just Derlago and Philips missing, and both of them should be here in the next few days. Visa delays are unforeseen. Mistakes happen to everyone. It sure sounds like everyone has been doing their part promptly, but the delays are coming due to things not really in the players or Panthers' hands. Everyone but the last signing should be in by the end of the week. When was the last time that has happened?! We've had guys miss training camp in its entirety, arrive in September for the last god knows how long. Sure, we might not have hit the expected requirement but it's the best we've seen for a long time and a step forward on the past. Visa's seem to go smoothly for the Steelers though as all their players are here. Maybe the club should speak to them and ask what they do differently because they always have all their players here for the 1st day of their training camp.
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 7, 2017 13:44:44 GMT
But Steelers only have 3 imports that require a visa that are new to the league. The rest are either re-signings, europeans or imports signed from other EIHL teams so they would have had a lot less to get through
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Aug 7, 2017 13:47:21 GMT
Maybe just don't say that you are going to do things which you don't know you can deliver on? Also, did they only find out today that they were not going to have everyone in? If Visa's went smoothly for Bussieres, Mokshantsev & Zakharchenko then we'd be sat here with just Derlago and Philips missing, and both of them should be here in the next few days. Visa delays are unforeseen. Mistakes happen to everyone. It sure sounds like everyone has been doing their part promptly, but the delays are coming due to things not really in the players or Panthers' hands. Everyone but the last signing should be in by the end of the week. When was the last time that has happened?! We've had guys miss training camp in its entirety, arrive in September for the last god knows how long. Sure, we might not have hit the expected requirement but it's the best we've seen for a long time and a step forward on the past. Why do Panthers have these issues year-on-year when our big rivals don't? Sheffield aren't in the CHL and aren't in competitive action until September 9th, yet all their imports are there for the first day of camp. Personally I'm just annoyed because its been such a productive and promising summer, yet our management just can never quite keep that going! The excuses start coming already and it's deja vu.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 13:50:12 GMT
But Steelers only have 3 imports that require a visa that are new to the league. The rest are either re-signings, europeans or imports signed from other EIHL teams so they would have had a lot less to get through Whether an import is new to the league or not they all still have to go through the same visa application process.
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Post by PantherB on Aug 7, 2017 13:51:42 GMT
If Visa's went smoothly for Bussieres, Mokshantsev & Zakharchenko then we'd be sat here with just Derlago and Philips missing, and both of them should be here in the next few days. Visa delays are unforeseen. Mistakes happen to everyone. It sure sounds like everyone has been doing their part promptly, but the delays are coming due to things not really in the players or Panthers' hands. Everyone but the last signing should be in by the end of the week. When was the last time that has happened?! We've had guys miss training camp in its entirety, arrive in September for the last god knows how long. Sure, we might not have hit the expected requirement but it's the best we've seen for a long time and a step forward on the past. Visa's seem to go smoothly for the Steelers though as all their players are here. Maybe the club should speak to them and ask what they do differently because they always have all their players here for the 1st day of their training camp. It's a different process for everyone, Bussieres and Phillips might have ticked boxes which required further information, or additional appointments etc.. Mokshantsev & Zakharchenko have endless amounts of stuff to do, fill in and get. Passports could get delayed in postal strikes, lost in the post, delayed at passport offices etc.. There's endless amounts of things which could delay each case. It's not ideal, but it's the best we've had in a long time and far from the end of the world.
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Post by Gilly on Aug 7, 2017 13:55:50 GMT
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Post by Mark on Aug 7, 2017 14:00:48 GMT
We have Visa issues every season. Others don't. The excuses don't wash.
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Post by PantherB on Aug 7, 2017 14:09:34 GMT
We have Visa issues every season. Others don't. The excuses don't wash. As far as I'm aware, the only thing Panthers are responsible for is the Certificate of Sponsorship for each player (Required before an individual can apply for their Visa). The rest in theory is down to the players. (Going off of the Gov.uk website guidance)
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Aug 7, 2017 14:39:45 GMT
The website article shows how easy they think it is to BS the fans:
"With a very full squad on the ice, it was the first chance for Coach Corey Neilson to see his guys work together.
Training camp started a week earlier this year, meaning some players couldn’t join the first day as visas hadn’t been returned."
It's the same nonsense they convince themselves of when 'we try very hard' but haven't put together a half-decent league push since 2013. And as for the 'its a week earlier' excuse, I would bet a lot of money that had camp started in September we'd not have a full quota on the ice!
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Post by nate24 on Aug 7, 2017 14:44:29 GMT
We have been importing players for decades. They should know by now the best strategy to ensure they get the majority of people on the ground on time. Same goes for injury cover.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 15:16:06 GMT
Taking into account that Phillips & Derlago should be here this week I won't have any particular issues if the other 3 don't get here until the 21st. Having no knowledge of how the visa process works/how fast it can be pushed through (and having no interest in finding out either) I'd be OK with the last d-man getting here by September 1st especially if it's 'the right guy to finish the roster' as touted by Corey.
In an ideal world of course they'd all be here by now, but we do not live in an ideal world.
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Post by shinobi on Aug 7, 2017 15:22:01 GMT
I know that Black said that we would have a full squad here by today, but did he actually say "I promise"? I'm not looking for excuses, but just curious. He made the statement of 'they will all be here by August 7th'. To be fair, I don't remember him offering a pinky promise around the room. Well he should have done. I've sunk a lot of cash into this club in the last twenty four years; I demand a pinky promise!
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Post by nate24 on Aug 7, 2017 15:49:16 GMT
I reckon mid September before we ice a full roster. That is if we are lucky and don't get injuries.
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Post by Bagheera on Aug 7, 2017 16:12:30 GMT
Whilst today may mark the fact we havn't quite achieved what Black stated it is most definately a step forward for Panthers. Chances are we will have our full team here(maybe the last signing short. Which I will be frustrated by too)2 weeks before our first competitive game. 4 or 5 years ago players would be drip feeding in around early September. Not perfect, absoloutly should be able to match what Sheffield manage to do, and frustrating when people buy tickets for pre season games expecting a full team. However all in all it is a step forward and not a bad place to be.
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Post by iginla on Aug 7, 2017 17:56:00 GMT
I know that Black said that we would have a full squad here by today, but did he actually say "I promise"? I'm not looking for excuses, but just curious. Mr Black said "no player will be signed by Panthers unless he guarantees to be here by 7th August".
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Post by iginla on Aug 7, 2017 18:04:07 GMT
Maybe just don't say that you are going to do things which you don't know you can deliver on? Also, did they only find out today that they were not going to have everyone in? If Visa's went smoothly for Bussieres, Mokshantsev & Zakharchenko then we'd be sat here with just Derlago and Philips missing, and both of them should be here in the next few days. Visa delays are unforeseen. Mistakes happen to everyone. It sure sounds like everyone has been doing their part promptly, but the delays are coming due to things not really in the players or Panthers' hands. Everyone but the last signing should be in by the end of the week. When was the last time that has happened?! We've had guys miss training camp in its entirety, arrive in September for the last god knows how long. Sure, we might not have hit the expected requirement but it's the best we've seen for a long time and a step forward on the past. Lesson to be learned there.......Don't sign Russians if it's such a pain in the backside getting visa's. Jeez these guys were signed months ago !
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Post by kievthegreat on Aug 7, 2017 18:13:53 GMT
If Visa's went smoothly for Bussieres, Mokshantsev & Zakharchenko then we'd be sat here with just Derlago and Philips missing, and both of them should be here in the next few days. Visa delays are unforeseen. Mistakes happen to everyone. It sure sounds like everyone has been doing their part promptly, but the delays are coming due to things not really in the players or Panthers' hands. Everyone but the last signing should be in by the end of the week. When was the last time that has happened?! We've had guys miss training camp in its entirety, arrive in September for the last god knows how long. Sure, we might not have hit the expected requirement but it's the best we've seen for a long time and a step forward on the past. Lesson to be learned there.......Don't sign Russians if it's such a pain in the backside getting visa's. Jeez these guys were signed months ago ! Let's wait and see how Capitals do first. They've got more to get through the visa process than us.
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Post by PantherB on Aug 7, 2017 19:00:36 GMT
Lesson to be learned there.......Don't sign Russians if it's such a pain in the backside getting visa's. Jeez these guys were signed months ago ! Let's wait and see how Capitals do first. They've got more to get through the visa process than us. Shegalo and Trakhanov should be the easiest for Caps, both being Moscow natives. Teslyukevich, if he lives in his home town of Vorkuta (Wouldn't expect so) then god help him. Closest Passport Office is St. Petersburg, which offers the expedited delivery on visa paperwork (completed within 3 days) however, there is one flight per week from his hometown to St. Petersburg, or he can go by bus which takes 2 days. If he lives in Moscow or St. Petersburg, which I'd expect, considering Vorkuta is a very old town in the arctic circle, then he could be fine too. Banashkov is 4 hours drive from Ekaterinburg, another passport office. Should be reasonably okay for him too. Islamov is from Orsk, Moscow is a 2 hour flight with 1 per day, bit of a pain but could be okay. Valeyev is an hour from Ekaterinburg, should be fine for him too. Vorobyev is Kazakh but he could've applied for an extension before leaving Edinburgh, which could've sorted his stuff out relatively easy. For us, Mokshantsev is an hour flight from Moscow so again, like the caps guys, bit of a ball ache. All of the above are just guesses and based upon players living in their home towns, which could be wrong. - It's worth mentioning about Russians not being too fond of Russian built aircraft, as Garnett mentioned about the air disaster in 2011. That could potentially see some guys prefer the drive rather than the flight and that some guys may not have had a passport whatsoever before coming to the UK with most playing their entire careers so far in Russia. - All applications require individuals to attend the passport office at least twice too! Glad I'm not Russian.
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Post by iginla on Aug 7, 2017 19:12:47 GMT
Lesson to be learned there.......Don't sign Russians if it's such a pain in the backside getting visa's. Jeez these guys were signed months ago ! Let's wait and see how Capitals do first. They've got more to get through the visa process than us. Mmmm Well seeing as most of the Caps guys have been signed about two or three months later than our Russians....we can only assume they will be playing the first two months of the season with only two Canadians and five young Scots ! We're gonna look pretty silly if they've got lots of Ruskies in aren't we ! 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 19:58:08 GMT
We're gonna look pretty silly if they've got lots of Ruskies in aren't we ! 🙄 Nope.
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Post by dp on Aug 7, 2017 20:29:09 GMT
Seriously, is anybody surprised? This is Panthers.
If we start the league season short of any imports (including the yet to be signed) then we're pretty much giving up on the league before it's even started - same as we do every season. Even if we play just the first 2 league games an import short, we're yet again conceding defeat before the end of August.
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Post by hasdrubaal on Aug 7, 2017 20:58:06 GMT
Seriously, is anybody surprised? This is Panthers. If we start the league season short of any imports (including the yet to be signed) then we're pretty much giving up on the league before it's even started - same as we do every season. Even if we play just the first 2 league games an import short, we're yet again conceding defeat before the end of August. What an absolute load of arse.
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