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Post by Walitzer on Aug 5, 2017 16:32:23 GMT
I haven't got to time to reply to every point but Lincolns story isn't unique. It happens every now and again. It was just a fresh example. The difference is the opposition early on gives teams like Lincoln momentum as they are likely to play teams is realistic to upset. The CHL is short and sharp therefore not comparable as a competition like the FA cup. The 1st round of the CHL is an extremely high calibre compared to our level and as such is not an appropriate tier for us to start in. I concede it's tiered but we are not good enough for tier 1. If a lesser seeded club that was not British did cause an upset no. One in the UK would pay attention. A British team would ha e to have an impact for the media to pick it up. They won't, British ice hockey exposure is stagnant and not enough effort is being made to change this. People can't travel for many reasons not just financial and don't go to away games. Maybe it is just as accessible as some away games but the fact you aren't filling the arena on home games in the CHL is an indication of how people feel. With the exception of Hamburg the atmosphere was very stilled last time around. I don't know how your figures stack up. I'll leave Iginlia to counter but it seems like a huge loss and not even a break even from where I'm sitting and one that risks the domestic campaign. People turn their nose up at the continental cup because they have a grander view of where they think we should be. Like it or not, that's the appropriate level of hockey for the EIHL. I don't know what you saw, but I saw a fairly mediocre EIHL team stroll through the Continental cup last year without much resistance. The quality of the EIHL gets better every year and the Continental cup has slid, the CHL is where we should be.
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Post by nate24 on Aug 5, 2017 17:39:20 GMT
I haven't got to time to reply to every point but Lincolns story isn't unique. It happens every now and again. It was just a fresh example. The difference is the opposition early on gives teams like Lincoln momentum as they are likely to play teams is realistic to upset. The CHL is short and sharp therefore not comparable as a competition like the FA cup. The 1st round of the CHL is an extremely high calibre compared to our level and as such is not an appropriate tier for us to start in. I concede it's tiered but we are not good enough for tier 1. If a lesser seeded club that was not British did cause an upset no. One in the UK would pay attention. A British team would ha e to have an impact for the media to pick it up. They won't, British ice hockey exposure is stagnant and not enough effort is being made to change this. People can't travel for many reasons not just financial and don't go to away games. Maybe it is just as accessible as some away games but the fact you aren't filling the arena on home games in the CHL is an indication of how people feel. With the exception of Hamburg the atmosphere was very stilled last time around. I don't know how your figures stack up. I'll leave Iginlia to counter but it seems like a huge loss and not even a break even from where I'm sitting and one that risks the domestic campaign. People turn their nose up at the continental cup because they have a grander view of where they think we should be. Like it or not, that's the appropriate level of hockey for the EIHL. I don't know what you saw, but I saw a fairly mediocre EIHL team stroll through the Continental cup last year without much resistance. The quality of the EIHL gets better every year and the Continental cup has slid, the CHL is where we should be. Well flipping invest in it! A CHL calibre team would dominate domestically. The qualityof the CHL is so much higher and improving. I love the CHL but rarely watch the EIHL entrants because it's white washing. So we won a European cup who's quality is becoming more inferior!?So winning that was a false positive of European readiness. Unless we commit there is no point entering. It's an exhibition series. I'm not saying it's where we shouldn't be in saying we shouldn't be there if we are not going to put up a competitive front and challenge for wins. If we put up a DEL style/ calibre team then it'd be worth it.
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Post by wgray on Aug 5, 2017 18:01:28 GMT
I don't know what you saw, but I saw a fairly mediocre EIHL team stroll through the Continental cup last year without much resistance. The quality of the EIHL gets better every year and the Continental cup has slid, the CHL is where we should be. Well flipping invest in it! A CHL calibre team would dominate domestically. The qualityof the CHL is so much higher and improving. I love the CHL but rarely watch the EIHL entrants because it's white washing. So we won a European cup who's quality is becoming more inferior!?So winning that was a false positive of European readiness. Unless we commit there is no point entering. It's an exhibition series. I'm not saying it's where we shouldn't be in saying we shouldn't be there if we are not going to put up a competitive front and challenge for wins. If we put up a DEL style/ calibre team then it'd be worth it. to be able to actually compete and progress to the later stages of the CHL tournament it would mean that our team would be the same calibre as the German, Swedish and Finnish teams as you say. Now, if that were to happen you are right in saying that we would dominate domestically, BUT it would mean that other teams within the league would be unable to compete with us. As has already been mentioned on another thread, doing this would make our league unstable and lead to teams spending more than within their means to try and compete with us. As we know, spending money that you don't have doesn't end well. In the long run, the only way that I can see British teams challenging in the CHL is if a group of teams with the ability to challenge break away from the rest who are unable to and compete amongst themselves domestically. Ourselves, Sheffield, Belfast, Cardiff and Braehead are the only ones who have this ability but unfortunately the number of teams is too few for this to happen.
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Post by nate24 on Aug 5, 2017 18:24:17 GMT
Well flipping invest in it! A CHL calibre team would dominate domestically. The qualityof the CHL is so much higher and improving. I love the CHL but rarely watch the EIHL entrants because it's white washing. So we won a European cup who's quality is becoming more inferior!?So winning that was a false positive of European readiness. Unless we commit there is no point entering. It's an exhibition series. I'm not saying it's where we shouldn't be in saying we shouldn't be there if we are not going to put up a competitive front and challenge for wins. If we put up a DEL style/ calibre team then it'd be worth it. to be able to actually compete and progress to the later stages of the CHL tournament it would mean that our team would be the same calibre as the German, Swedish and Finnish teams as you say. Now, if that were to happen you are right in saying that we would dominate domestically, BUT it would mean that other teams within the league would be unable to compete with us. As has already been mentioned on another thread, doing this would make our league unstable and lead to teams spending more than within their means to try and compete with us. As we know, spending money that you don't have doesn't end well. In the long run, the only way that I can see British teams challenging in the CHL is if a group of teams with the ability to challenge break away from the rest who are unable to and compete amongst themselves domestically. Ourselves, Sheffield, Belfast, Cardiff and Braehead are the only ones who have this ability but unfortunately the number of teams is too few for this to happen. I completely agree and feel at this present time it is a superfluous exhibition serious exposing players to injury in a competition we have no real standing in. Players that may be the difference between finishing 5th or 1st. You know, if we reacted to injuries better that would alleviate some of my worries but ultimately I just find out performers hopelessly lacking compared to the others. This year we are domestically focused in our recruiting. This tournament has been written off by the club from what I can tell. It will be an even poorer showing this time as to when we last entered. At least then we made a little effort towards fielding a roster capable of holding there own even if it didn't work very well. This year they will be saving their legs. Maybe just ice 2 way brits to save he main guys and get the youngsters bloodied against the bigger boys?
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Post by kievthegreat on Aug 5, 2017 21:55:41 GMT
I haven't got to time to reply to every point but Lincolns story isn't unique. It happens every now and again. It was just a fresh example. The difference is the opposition early on gives teams like Lincoln momentum as they are likely to play teams is realistic to upset. The CHL is short and sharp therefore not comparable as a competition like the FA cup. The 1st round of the CHL is an extremely high calibre compared to our level and as such is not an appropriate tier for us to start in. I concede it's tiered but we are not good enough for tier 1. If a lesser seeded club that was not British did cause an upset no. One in the UK would pay attention. A British team would ha e to have an impact for the media to pick it up. They won't, British ice hockey exposure is stagnant and not enough effort is being made to change this. People can't travel for many reasons not just financial and don't go to away games. Maybe it is just as accessible as some away games but the fact you aren't filling the arena on home games in the CHL is an indication of how people feel. With the exception of Hamburg the atmosphere was very stilled last time around. I don't know how your figures stack up. I'll leave Iginlia to counter but it seems like a huge loss and not even a break even from where I'm sitting and one that risks the domestic campaign. People turn their nose up at the continental cup because they have a grander view of where they think we should be. Like it or not, that's the appropriate level of hockey for the EIHL. I recognise it's a semi-regular occurrence for Lincoln style stories. I mean I remember being at the Emirates watching Ipswich Town who were winning on aggregate with just 30 mins left in the league cup semi final second leg and a cup final berth within sight. I remember winning that home leg having been written off and I loved the giant killing. I was absolutely gutted to miss the Hamburg game for similar reasons. I'll be at all but TPS away in the vain hope of some magical night in the same way Lincoln fans showed up to watch them beat Ipswich, Brighton, & Burnley. As for money, if you don't include mercenaries (which we're not doing this year) then I don't see how it's any different to Continental cup cost wise. Still 3 away trips, but actually shorter durations. Also HK & Bern will be one roadtrip anyway. You then get 3 extra home games. I'd posit that the CHL is less impactful on our domestic campaign both in numbers of games and finance. Although it is all speculation as only the club really know.
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Post by nate24 on Aug 6, 2017 0:47:00 GMT
I haven't got to time to reply to every point but Lincolns story isn't unique. It happens every now and again. It was just a fresh example. The difference is the opposition early on gives teams like Lincoln momentum as they are likely to play teams is realistic to upset. The CHL is short and sharp therefore not comparable as a competition like the FA cup. The 1st round of the CHL is an extremely high calibre compared to our level and as such is not an appropriate tier for us to start in. I concede it's tiered but we are not good enough for tier 1. If a lesser seeded club that was not British did cause an upset no. One in the UK would pay attention. A British team would ha e to have an impact for the media to pick it up. They won't, British ice hockey exposure is stagnant and not enough effort is being made to change this. People can't travel for many reasons not just financial and don't go to away games. Maybe it is just as accessible as some away games but the fact you aren't filling the arena on home games in the CHL is an indication of how people feel. With the exception of Hamburg the atmosphere was very stilled last time around. I don't know how your figures stack up. I'll leave Iginlia to counter but it seems like a huge loss and not even a break even from where I'm sitting and one that risks the domestic campaign. People turn their nose up at the continental cup because they have a grander view of where they think we should be. Like it or not, that's the appropriate level of hockey for the EIHL. I recognise it's a semi-regular occurrence for Lincoln style stories. I mean I remember being at the Emirates watching Ipswich Town who were winning on aggregate with just 30 mins left in the league cup semi final second leg and a cup final berth within sight. I remember winning that home leg having been written off and I loved the giant killing. I was absolutely gutted to miss the Hamburg game for similar reasons. I'll be at all but TPS away in the vain hope of some magical night in the same way Lincoln fans showed up to watch them beat Ipswich, Brighton, & Burnley. As for money, if you don't include mercenaries (which we're not doing this year) then I don't see how it's any different to Continental cup cost wise. Still 3 away trips, but actually shorter durations. Also HK & Bern will be one roadtrip anyway. You then get 3 extra home games. I'd posit that the CHL is less impactful on our domestic campaign both in numbers of games and finance. Although it is all speculation as only the club really know. Our injury record is a fact, our inability to cover injured players is a fact. No speculation required. The CHL is more games which is increased risk of injury, also not speculation. I do speculate if one or two of our group teams get into a heated battle to take the group they will spare us no quarter to ensure they rack up a strong goal difference. They may play hard and people may get hurt.
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Post by PantherB on Aug 9, 2017 17:23:51 GMT
Made himself look like a massive penis in the 'draw reaction' video. Tongue in cheek I'm sure but 'We did well against the Finnish.. Bern are a small team in Switzerland'. Wonder what he'll be saying when we're getting shafted after 10 minutes.
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Post by bern on Aug 10, 2017 8:19:16 GMT
Hi from Bern, A few friends and me are looking forward to come to our away game on September 2nd. Great stuff, be good to see a good amount of away fans. We already booked our flight to manchester, a rental car and the hostel in Nottingham. M6 - A50 is a much easier drive than Snake pass.... So we'll stay in Nottingham from September the 1st to 3rd. Is there anything to do beside go to the game? It's a small and fairly nice city centre so plenty of bars and restaurants, Nottm Castle is worth a visit if you're into that kind of thing. And what sport pubs do you recommend for having a beer or two before the game? Off Bolero square is Saltbox and on the other side of the Arena you have Bunkers Hill and the Legend. All 3 are really close to the arena. Hope you have a cracking time and that your team takes it easy against us..... Thanks for your advices. Do you think it would be worth it to take the Snake pass? As google maps says, it doesn't take much longer.. Really looking forward for a good time in Nottingham
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 10, 2017 9:26:08 GMT
Great stuff, be good to see a good amount of away fans. M6 - A50 is a much easier drive than Snake pass.... It's a small and fairly nice city centre so plenty of bars and restaurants, Nottm Castle is worth a visit if you're into that kind of thing. Off Bolero square is Saltbox and on the other side of the Arena you have Bunkers Hill and the Legend. All 3 are really close to the arena. Hope you have a cracking time and that your team takes it easy against us..... Thanks for your advices. Do you think it would be worth it to take the Snake pass? As google maps says, it doesn't take much longer.. Really looking forward for a good time in Nottingham If the weather is nice Snake Pass has some great views. I honestly wouldn't bother if it's raining and it will take you at least half an hour more going that way. If you are not in a rush and the sun is out then why not. Just be prepared to be stuck behind trucks and caravans.
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Post by John Casey on Aug 10, 2017 21:24:14 GMT
Does anyone know where to find anymore of The CHL Intro Videos. I've seen The Panthers one and I believe Scavenger's as well?
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Post by iginla on Aug 10, 2017 21:27:36 GMT
Does anyone know where to find anymore of The CHL Intro Videos. I've seen The Panthers one and I believe Scavenger's as well? Click Panthers Twitter link,they're all on there.
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Post by kievthegreat on Aug 10, 2017 23:11:05 GMT
Does anyone know where to find anymore of The CHL Intro Videos. I've seen The Panthers one and I believe Scavenger's as well? CHL have a YouTube channel with them all.
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Post by DonClaneone on Aug 11, 2017 15:04:11 GMT
Premier will be showing both Cardiff & Nottingham in the CHL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 15:04:33 GMT
Just been announced the Premier Sports are covering all the Panthers & Devils CHL games.
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Post by Disguised on Aug 13, 2017 12:48:21 GMT
Well it's getting closer to CHL time and I'm once again jealous of you Panther fans getting to see how you measure up against some top quality euro hockey teams.
Really enjoyed the last two years in Sheffield, and it's given me a much wider interest in the game across Europe. It's also been a great incentive to do some city breaks that include some hockey abroad!
Also jealous of the EA NHL18 appearance!
So hope you don't mind but you'll be seeing a couple of Orange shirts in the Motorpoint for the Bern game - but you can rely on us to mainly be cheering on the GB representatives, as we did when we came to see Hamburg Rauma and Lulea back in 2014.
So for this game only - cmon panrh.. cmon panthez.. nope can't type it, but maybe I'll be able to cheer it with your encouragement!
Cheers Tony.
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Post by iginla on Aug 13, 2017 17:52:56 GMT
Well it's getting closer to CHL time and I'm once again jealous of you Panther fans getting to see how you measure up against some top quality euro hockey teams. Really enjoyed the last two years in Sheffield, and it's given me a much wider interest in the game across Europe. It's also been a great incentive to do some city breaks that include some hockey abroad! Also jealous of the EA NHL18 appearance! So hope you don't mind but you'll be seeing a couple of Orange shirts in the Motorpoint for the Bern game - but you can rely on us to mainly be cheering on the GB representatives, as we did when we came to see Hamburg Rauma and Lulea back in 2014. So for this game only - cmon panrh.. cmon panthez.. nope can't type it, but maybe I'll be able to cheer it with your encouragement! Cheers Tony. Nice to see that you're coming down for the Bern game.......Do you really really have to wear that orange shirt though. 😩 Lol
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Post by Disguised on Aug 14, 2017 11:13:12 GMT
Nice to see that you're coming down for the Bern game.......Do you really really have to wear that orange shirt though. 😩 Lol To be fair I am dragging a part-time Panthers fan with me, and he'll be wearing your colours! Sitting in the Panthers ranks in our orange shirts caused a few interesting conversations last time, and we (generally) enjoyed the banter.
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Post by BigLad on Aug 14, 2017 12:34:37 GMT
To be fair I am dragging a part-time Panthers fan with me, and he'll be wearing your colours! Sitting in the Panthers ranks in our orange shirts caused a few interesting conversations last time, and we (generally) enjoyed the banter. I went to a couple of Steelers CHL home games over the last couple of years. Wore my GB jersey and sat in the away block though
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Post by PantherB on Aug 18, 2017 16:48:51 GMT
Thankfully sounds as though it's all over now, with one in custody. TPS are playing today in the 'TPS Cup' too. Hopefully it doesn't make people think twice before heading out to Finland, whether for Panthers or Holiday.
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