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Post by texpef on Aug 6, 2017 8:21:04 GMT
this isnt just a coach issue although having a "yes man" as coach to the GM really doesnt help with success on the ice. Since panthers moved into the arena i have pretty much heard every season panthers can't spend this or that as it will destabilise the league and yet pretty much all our competitors one year or another both before and post arena team in Nottingham have done just that whilst our owner counts his mountains of cash rather than seeing the banners in the loft (which is another topic altogether both that the owner isnt around and that we have an amorphous arena that apart from the word nottingham outside you'd be hard pressed to find any evidence that the Panthers play out of there.)
Just as in football some teams thrive some struggle this is cold hard fact of life, i was told many seasons ago when sheffield were on the rise and the panthers had been stuffed yet again at the house of rust that this is professional sport and its about winning, if you cant afford it tough, well panthers are supposed to be one of the big boys now and i dont really see any different now to then. Clubs come and go, next season we will have two new clubs and the whole league has been changed to accomodate the wishes of a few of the clubs. Clubs go in the EIHL era we have lost both newcastle and hull to name but two, imho yes we need other teams to play but if clubs cant afford to run then is it really the responsibility of the remaining clubs to stifle their own clubs to drop to the lowest common denominator?
I am not asking for an NHL club quality in Nottingham and yes we "probably" couldnt afford that anyway but as the richest club in the country (even if Cardiif now have rich owners who are using the club as a bit of a play thing) it isnt unreasonable to see where our money is being spent and not look at other clubs and be envious of the money that they are spending compared to our roster... Cardiff especially should not be able to ice the team they have signed for next season, considering the success, pretty much the whole team deserved and probably asked for a payrise and they then have gone on to sign other top class players. IMHO this should be the minimum we as fans should expect to see in Nottingham.
The Panthers squad signed for next seasons isnt bad imho but it really does leave you wondering where all the money is spent when you look at who Belfast are signing and who Cardiff have signed and even the other teams "quality" signings compared to ours...
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Post by bbw on Aug 7, 2017 19:30:12 GMT
I dont care what any of our fans say there is no justification for introducing cheque book hockey back into this country. It destroyed the top flight once and cant happen again. I really hope Cardiff dont start the arms race. This years team looks expensive. I'm not sure it's cheque book hockey from Cardiff, the current owners certainly came in at a crucial time for the Devils as did Kelman. If I remember correctly when Steve King addressed Devils fans after the takeover he said that he and the other owners had no intention of taking a divvy from any profit that might be made. They are all hockey men and are involved to have fun. They also have connections with the Flames and have admitted they have put some very good players in front of Lord and Lord has turned them down citing that they have to be a good fit in the dressing room. I think at the moment pretty much all profit is available to use. Add to that Kelman taking the sponsorship's to a new level we could well be a tough nut to crack for years to come.
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Post by iginla on Aug 7, 2017 22:20:07 GMT
I dont care what any of our fans say there is no justification for introducing cheque book hockey back into this country. It destroyed the top flight once and cant happen again. I really hope Cardiff dont start the arms race. This years team looks expensive. I'm not sure it's cheque book hockey from Cardiff, the current owners certainly came in at a crucial time for the Devils as did Kelman. If I remember correctly when Steve King addressed Devils fans after the takeover he said that he and the other owners had no intention of taking a divvy from any profit that might be made. They are all hockey men and are involved to have fun. They also have connections with the Flames and have admitted they have put some very good players in front of Lord and Lord has turned them down citing that they have to be a good fit in the dressing room. I think at the moment pretty much all profit is available to use. Add to that Kelman taking the sponsorship's to a new level we could well be a tough nut to crack for years to come. The current Devils team is good,it's very solid,it has plenty of decent quality,all bases covered,but it's not earth shatteringly good. It's full of just good ECHL/AHL/Mid level Europe players and that's it really,no standouts and no big ego's. They haven't broken the bank or had to max the credit card to sign that team,nowhere near. It's absolutely no different to a team Panthers could very very easily sign. The difference is in the mentality and culture of the club. Everybody pulls together in the same direction it seems in Cardiff,the fans like the management and the management respect and involve the fans. If a player gets injured,he gets replaced quickly. They generally sign a spare too. The cameraderie seems to resonate right throughout the club. Lord seems a good guy,the owners seem good guys and players seem to want to go there and stay there for a while. They're also like the Steelers,they put winning first. That's the difference !
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Post by wannabe2 on Aug 8, 2017 8:13:02 GMT
The current Devils team is good,it's very solid,it has plenty of decent quality,all bases covered,but it's not earth shatteringly good. It's full of just good ECHL/AHL/Mid level Europe players and that's it really,no standouts and no big ego's. They haven't broken the bank or had to max the credit card to sign that team,nowhere near. It's absolutely no different to a team Panthers could very very easily sign. The difference is in the mentality and culture of the club. Everybody pulls together in the same direction it seems in Cardiff,the fans like the management and the management respect and involve the fans. If a player gets injured,he gets replaced quickly. They generally sign a spare too. The cameraderie seems to resonate right throughout the club. Lord seems a good guy,the owners seem good guys and players seem to want to go there and stay there for a while. They're also like the Steelers,they put winning first. That's the difference ! That is pretty much spot on, we are truly blessed to have Owners and Managment that put the team first, and that's exactly what they do, these guys love this game as much as any fan, and it shows big time. They told fans their ambition was to make the Devils self financing, with every penny going back into the club, they are huge Calgary Flames fans and know all about getting the hockey bug. We have a open training session on Thurs night for fans to see the team on the ice, this is free, but they have asked fans to pay £2 voluntarily entry with every penny going to junior development, that's called caring about your youngsters. I think good players play like very good players when they are looked after so well. Lordo really is one top human being, to know him is to like him, this guy works 24/7 in his desire to win, I am fortunate to know him and he would go thru a brick wall to attain success for his club. As has already been said Cameraderie is huge at our place, it's a must if you want success.
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Post by panthersdave on Aug 8, 2017 8:31:04 GMT
The current Devils team is good,it's very solid,it has plenty of decent quality,all bases covered,but it's not earth shatteringly good. It's full of just good ECHL/AHL/Mid level Europe players and that's it really,no standouts and no big ego's. They haven't broken the bank or had to max the credit card to sign that team,nowhere near. It's absolutely no different to a team Panthers could very very easily sign. The difference is in the mentality and culture of the club. Everybody pulls together in the same direction it seems in Cardiff,the fans like the management and the management respect and involve the fans. If a player gets injured,he gets replaced quickly. They generally sign a spare too. The cameraderie seems to resonate right throughout the club. Lord seems a good guy,the owners seem good guys and players seem to want to go there and stay there for a while. They're also like the Steelers,they put winning first. That's the difference ! That is pretty much spot on, we are truly blessed to have Owners and Managment that put the team first, and that's exactly what they do, these guys love this game as much as any fan, and it shows big time. They told fans their ambition was to make the Devils self financing, with every penny going back into the club, they are huge Calgary Flames fans and know all about getting the hockey bug. We have a open training session on Thurs night for fans to see the team on the ice, this is free, but they have asked fans to pay £2 voluntarily entry with every penny going to junior development, that's called caring about your youngsters. I think good players play like very good players when they are looked after so well. Lordo really is one top human being, to know him is to like him, this guy works 24/7 in his desire to win, I am fortunate to know him and he would go thru a brick wall to attain success for his club. As has already been said Cameraderie is huge at our place, it's a must if you want success. Wannabe A lot of our fans are upset that not all players are here in Nottingham in time for training camp starting yesterday. As Cardiff have a similar pre season schedule to us, what is the latest in terms of players arriving?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 8:33:22 GMT
Th question I want answering is Lord a good coach? He may be a nice man and 110% committed to the cause etc but as a coach the jury is still out for me , could he go to a team like Manchester with half the budget and get success for example , and before you say could Neilson? No and that's because I don't rate him
I still think the best coach we ve seen here in recent years is Adams ! I crave him in Nottingham with our budget one day !
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Post by wannabe2 on Aug 8, 2017 9:01:55 GMT
Well firstly I don't believe a bad coach could win the silverware Lord has, and please don't say he bought them, and secondly a bad coach don't get the best out of his players, and so wouldn't win jack all. Lord is a very very good coach, I would say the best in the league. As for Gerard he would be a huge asset to any team, you guys would love him there. Again you don't win trophies unless you are good, Panthers would be a huge force with G at the helm, no doubt whatever.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Aug 9, 2017 11:26:07 GMT
I have just looked at the EIHL website on the article about player movements and we have not signed a player from any of the other teams in the league (Caps haven't either). There were a few good players that moved within the league, some could have good in Nottingham, so did CN not want them or would they have not signed for the Panthers?
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2017 13:02:02 GMT
I have just looked at the EIHL website on the article about player movements and we have not signed a player from any of the other teams in the league (Caps haven't either). There were a few good players that moved within the league, some could have good in Nottingham, so did CN not want them or would they have not signed for the Panthers? There have got to be quite a few from last season we would have wanted,there were some good players around last year. It's got to be quite telling really that non of them could be tempted or decided they wanted to be in Nottingham. Obviously heard what GM is like ! 😉
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 15:38:12 GMT
I have just looked at the EIHL website on the article about player movements and we have not signed a player from any of the other teams in the league (Caps haven't either). There were a few good players that moved within the league, some could have good in Nottingham, so did CN not want them or would they have not signed for the Panthers? There have got to be quite a few from last season we would have wanted,there were some good players around last year. It's got to be quite telling really that non of them could be tempted or decided they wanted to be in Nottingham. Obviously heard what GM is like ! 😉 Do you think if GM left then all of a sudden plauers would be queuing up to join the Panthers?
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Post by PantherG on Aug 9, 2017 15:42:35 GMT
I have just looked at the EIHL website on the article about player movements and we have not signed a player from any of the other teams in the league (Caps haven't either). There were a few good players that moved within the league, some could have good in Nottingham, so did CN not want them or would they have not signed for the Panthers? There have got to be quite a few from last season we would have wanted,there were some good players around last year. It's got to be quite telling really that non of them could be tempted or decided they wanted to be in Nottingham. Obviously heard what GM is like ! 😉 Who would we have wanted that left one EIHL team and signed for another? I can't think of any tbh.. With one exception I am really excited about this roster.
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2017 15:48:42 GMT
There have got to be quite a few from last season we would have wanted,there were some good players around last year. It's got to be quite telling really that non of them could be tempted or decided they wanted to be in Nottingham. Obviously heard what GM is like ! 😉 Do you think if GM left then all of a sudden plauers would be queuing up to join the Panthers? It certainly wouldn't do us any harm Pidge. Neilson would still be here though 😩
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 9, 2017 15:55:57 GMT
There have got to be quite a few from last season we would have wanted,there were some good players around last year. It's got to be quite telling really that non of them could be tempted or decided they wanted to be in Nottingham. Obviously heard what GM is like ! 😉 Who would we have wanted that left one EIHL team and signed for another? I can't think of any tbh.. With one exception I am really excited about this roster. Who's the exception? For me the weak link might be Brisebois
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Post by PantherG on Aug 9, 2017 16:00:30 GMT
Who would we have wanted that left one EIHL team and signed for another? I can't think of any tbh.. With one exception I am really excited about this roster. Who's the exception? For me the weak link might be Brisebois For me I would trade Lindhagen for a top centre who can feed the puck and stick it in the back of the net. I think Corey brought him back not realising he would get his hands back on Mosey. Not saying he is a bad player, he is good, but not sure he fits with this team since Mosey came back.
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2017 16:07:13 GMT
There have got to be quite a few from last season we would have wanted,there were some good players around last year. It's got to be quite telling really that non of them could be tempted or decided they wanted to be in Nottingham. Obviously heard what GM is like ! 😉 Who would we have wanted that left one EIHL team and signed for another? I can't think of any tbh.. With one exception I am really excited about this roster. Off the top of my head,I might have taken a couple out of... Vandermeer Dzurzynski Dingle Pacquet Beca Scarsella Hammond And several others who didn't leave but we might have tempted.
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2017 16:13:27 GMT
Who's the exception? For me the weak link might be Brisebois For me I would trade Lindhagen for a top centre who can feed the puck and stick it in the back of the net. I think Corey brought him back not realising he would get his hands back on Mosey. Not saying he is a bad player, he is good, but not sure he fits with this team since Mosey came back. I agree about Lindhagen. Panic return signing by Corey that one. As much as another big tough Dman would be nice,I can't see a stud blue line Dman to run the power play. It looks like Spang at the minute,but he didn't show enough in that role last season for me.
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Post by PantherG on Aug 9, 2017 16:17:21 GMT
Who would we have wanted that left one EIHL team and signed for another? I can't think of any tbh.. With one exception I am really excited about this roster. Off the top of my head,I might have taken a couple out of... Vandermeer Dzurzynski Dingle Pacquet Beca Scarsella Hammond And several others who didn't leave but we might have tempted. Out of those only Dingle, Beca and Hammond have remained within the EIHL, would probably have considered Beca. Dingle is a good player but is getting on and had some injuries last year I believe. Sheffield were after Scarsella, who I would have snapped up, but he retired due to getting a great job back home.
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Post by voth26 on Aug 9, 2017 16:34:53 GMT
All top 4/5/6 teams will be expensive, that's a fact of life. Panthers will want to be top, Devils will want to be top, Steelers will want to be top, Giants will want to be top, Clan will want to be top, To Do that you have to be the best, and that costs money. No doubt. But normally i can see where Panthers are as expensive as our rivals. This year though i cant see how anyone is spendimg more than you (unless you're getting some great deals on players). You have quality, depth and a bunch of championship re-signing. All that points to very expensive. I just hope it doesnt pysh other teams dont overstrech to compete. Unfortunately you are basing your opinion on assumptions as no-one knows exactly how any of the teams are funding the rosters they have signed including your own panthers, the owners have stated previously that they want the Devils to be self sufficient, so id assume the fact Devils don't pay rent/ice time will obviously help??. But the biggest factor could possibly be that we have the majority of the players back for a 4th season in a row, id assume their pays have increased but you also cant ignore the fact they clearly like it in Cardiff!!
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Post by voth26 on Aug 9, 2017 16:41:57 GMT
That is pretty much spot on, we are truly blessed to have Owners and Managment that put the team first, and that's exactly what they do, these guys love this game as much as any fan, and it shows big time. They told fans their ambition was to make the Devils self financing, with every penny going back into the club, they are huge Calgary Flames fans and know all about getting the hockey bug. We have a open training session on Thurs night for fans to see the team on the ice, this is free, but they have asked fans to pay £2 voluntarily entry with every penny going to junior development, that's called caring about your youngsters. I think good players play like very good players when they are looked after so well. Lordo really is one top human being, to know him is to like him, this guy works 24/7 in his desire to win, I am fortunate to know him and he would go thru a brick wall to attain success for his club. As has already been said Cameraderie is huge at our place, it's a must if you want success. Wannabe A lot of our fans are upset that not all players are here in Nottingham in time for training camp starting yesterday. As Cardiff have a similar pre season schedule to us, what is the latest in terms of players arriving? I believe all players signed by the Devils are here and trained on Monday,
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Post by voth26 on Aug 9, 2017 16:50:46 GMT
Th question I want answering is Lord a good coach? He may be a nice man and 110% committed to the cause etc but as a coach the jury is still out for me , could he go to a team like Manchester with half the budget and get success for example , and before you say could Neilson? No and that's because I don't rate him I still think the best coach we ve seen here in recent years is Adams ! I crave him in Nottingham with our budget one day ! Lord is a good coach but I think more importantly he has great man-management skills, is a very likable guy and has a genuine respect and cares about his players, the fans and that he wants the best for the Devils that it breeds the same mentality among the players, the players and fans interact easily with each other, there are no big ego's within the club.
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2017 17:05:15 GMT
Th question I want answering is Lord a good coach? He may be a nice man and 110% committed to the cause etc but as a coach the jury is still out for me , could he go to a team like Manchester with half the budget and get success for example , and before you say could Neilson? No and that's because I don't rate him I still think the best coach we ve seen here in recent years is Adams ! I crave him in Nottingham with our budget one day ! Lord is a good coach but I think more importantly he has great man-management skills, is a very likable guy and has a genuine respect and cares about his players, the fans and that he wants the best for the Devils that it breeds the same mentality among the players, the players and fans interact easily with each other, there are no big ego's within the club. Please stop it....You're making me very jealous. 😐
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Post by nytram89 on Aug 9, 2017 17:20:13 GMT
I would like to have seen faryna or vandermeer at panthers.
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2017 17:25:03 GMT
I would like to have seen faryna or vandermeer at panthers. Ah yes Faryna He would have been on my list too. 👍
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Post by nytram89 on Aug 9, 2017 17:26:04 GMT
Went to devils though. Cant say i blame him haha 🙈
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2017 22:14:59 GMT
Went to devils though. Cant say i blame him haha 🙈 Well yes,hardly surprising is it,knowing what we know about all things hockey in the EIHL and Panthers in particular. Ask yourselves this question. If you were an import coming over here and you knew what we know......which club would you go to ?
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