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Post by sevcik on Feb 20, 2017 19:17:59 GMT
This years team was crippled from an offensive point of view from the very start with Neilson wanting to base the forwards around Chris Lawrence. This is also the why changes weren't made when perhaps they should have been. Coventry got rid of Lawrence after 4 games even though he was on a uni deal.. Because he wasnt producing on the ice and because he was a disruptive influence. Its not that Neilson didnt know what to expect when he signed him.... for the 3rd time.... I actually think thats only 50% correct. I think it was a 2 headed monster of Lawrence and Jansen. Those 2 dropping out and not being replaced like for like (I suppose Lindhagen for Mosey, but Mosey was a meh resigning after hist first season wasn't he?) is what destroyed the team. Back to a comment I made in an earlier thread, I can't see anyone on this team making the "Fox post Capitals" statement, but i can see it coming from Jansen The loss of both Mosey and Janssen was a big blow. Especially with the timing of Janssen pulling out. We miss his energy along with his toughness thats for sure. However who would have predicted McGrattan would get 18+ goals this year. And yet with those extra goals we are struggling for offensive- rarely scoring 3 or more goals a game. It was Lawrence who wanted Carter and Brown here. In my opinion only one of them has worked and that's Brown.Neilson should have told him to do one. As much as I like Brown as a player his signing limited the offence of this team. Jeff Brown is not an offensive player- he's a more physical version of MacMillan. So you could argue one of those players took the spot of a goal scorer or sniper. Carter was never going to be axed injuries or not.... Neilson wouldn't want to upset Lawrence a player whose antics are bad enough when happy nevermind when he's in a bad mood. Lawrence is far from the only problem within the club. But he is certainly symptomatic of it
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Post by PantherB on Feb 20, 2017 19:18:03 GMT
We all know that the appeal of coaching the Panthers whilst the silver fox is in his position is practically 'pass me the barge pole, I need to get clear of this'
I feel as though Corey loving Nottingham since he arrived as a Player and wanting to stay here, has meant he is happy to be wrapped around GM's finger, restrained from pushing the boat out because GM is a money man and if we're making money, which we are, then GM being GM, probably won't let Corey loose on dogging guys and bringing in better. And because Corey knows that speaking out against GM will probably see him shafted, he might be a bit reluctant to say anything.
The recruitment for this season, looked okay (forwards looked weak, defence looked strong) and Corey knows full well he screwed up royally with who he signed. But yet it took us months to sign someone and in the end it was a Latvian Prospect, not a top prospect like Panthers/GM claim, but a kid looking for a challenge. Corey does like his development players in fairness, but I'm stuggling to conclude that Corey was just blind to the other guys that were out there and that have been signed by others in the league, perhaps it's just me not wanting to believe it or something. Whilst GM is involved with the club, it will continue to stink of fish.
I hope the one way tickets for the vast majority are booked and ready, including Lee.. I'm sure you can get a plane to Hull haha.
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Post by wgray on Feb 20, 2017 20:28:50 GMT
I actually think thats only 50% correct. I think it was a 2 headed monster of Lawrence and Jansen. Those 2 dropping out and not being replaced like for like (I suppose Lindhagen for Mosey, but Mosey was a meh resigning after hist first season wasn't he?) is what destroyed the team. Back to a comment I made in an earlier thread, I can't see anyone on this team making the "Fox post Capitals" statement, but i can see it coming from Jansen The loss of both Mosey and Janssen was a big blow. Especially with the timing of Janssen pulling out. We miss his energy along with his toughness thats for sure. However who would have predicted McGrattan would get 18+ goals this year. And yet with those extra goals we are struggling for offensive- rarely scoring 3 or more goals a game. It was Lawrence who wanted Carter and Brown here. In my opinion only one of them has worked and that's Brown.Neilson should have told him to do one. As much as I like Brown as a player his signing limited the offence of this team. Jeff Brown is not an offensive player- he's a more physical version of MacMillan. So you could argue one of those players took the spot of a goal scorer or sniper. Carter was never going to be axed injuries or not.... Neilson wouldn't want to upset Lawrence a player whose antics are bad enough when happy nevermind when he's in a bad mood. Lawrence is far from the only problem within the club. But he is certainly symptomatic of it how can you say Brown isn't an offensive player? he's our top goal scorer in the league with 13 goals and he's got 28 points coming fourth out of the squad. He wasn't signed to score goals, he was signed to do the dirty work first, kill penalties, provide for linemates and then focus on points. We signed the likes of Carter, Nikiforuk, Lawrence and Schultz to get our goals and they have very much failed up to the this point
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 22:42:15 GMT
I do apologise for my OCD, and my continuous facts and stuff. But, when we have played 40 matches, and 21 points behind the current league leaders, that's 10 of our 40 matches, 25% of the season lost. There will be reasons, spin, the blame game, we all know that, whether it's using the usual default settings of, injury's, illness, the refs, and so on. Whatever they decide to chose AGAIN, won't wash with me, and probably won't with many of you too. RANT OVER-SORRY.
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Post by sevcik on Feb 20, 2017 23:28:13 GMT
The loss of both Mosey and Janssen was a big blow. Especially with the timing of Janssen pulling out. We miss his energy along with his toughness thats for sure. However who would have predicted McGrattan would get 18+ goals this year. And yet with those extra goals we are struggling for offensive- rarely scoring 3 or more goals a game. It was Lawrence who wanted Carter and Brown here. In my opinion only one of them has worked and that's Brown.Neilson should have told him to do one. As much as I like Brown as a player his signing limited the offence of this team. Jeff Brown is not an offensive player- he's a more physical version of MacMillan. So you could argue one of those players took the spot of a goal scorer or sniper. Carter was never going to be axed injuries or not.... Neilson wouldn't want to upset Lawrence a player whose antics are bad enough when happy nevermind when he's in a bad mood. Lawrence is far from the only problem within the club. But he is certainly symptomatic of it how can you say Brown isn't an offensive player? he's our top goal scorer in the league with 13 goals and he's got 28 points coming fourth out of the squad. He wasn't signed to score goals, he was signed to do the dirty work first, kill penalties, provide for linemates and then focus on points. We signed the likes of Carter, Nikiforuk, Lawrence and Schultz to get our goals and they have very much failed up to the this point Which is precisely my point. You are agreeing with me. Brown is not a pure offensive player, a goalscorer or playmaker etcetera. He is a two way player. This is why I say the squad we have this year could not afford to have both him and MacMilan on the team given the lack of offense elsewhere. Take Brown or MacMillan out of the team and instead get a proven goalscorer or playmaker and uve instantly got a better chance at improving the teams offence. The same with Carter and Lawrence. Had Neilson not signed them chances are we wouldnt be as goal shy as we are. Lawrence is okay at his very best- Wiliams showed that in just a few games. And as for Carter he might as well not play given the amount of times he affects a game in a positive way. It can be a lottery signing imports but to sign one who the coach knows has more baggeage than an airport is unforgivable and then to bow to his demand to sign his mates too. Is absolutely ridiculous and would never happen in sheffield or belfast I do also agree that other players havent puled their weight but then with 4 players signed as forwards they are alwYs going to struggle to produce points......
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Post by wgray on Feb 20, 2017 23:33:17 GMT
how can you say Brown isn't an offensive player? he's our top goal scorer in the league with 13 goals and he's got 28 points coming fourth out of the squad. He wasn't signed to score goals, he was signed to do the dirty work first, kill penalties, provide for linemates and then focus on points. We signed the likes of Carter, Nikiforuk, Lawrence and Schultz to get our goals and they have very much failed up to the this point Which is precisely my point. You are agreeing with me. Brown is not a pure offensive player, a goalscorer or playmaker etcetera. He is a two way player. This is why I say the squad we have this year could not afford to have both him and MacMilan on the team given the lack of offense elsewhere. Take Brown or MacMillan out of the team and instead get a proven goalscorer or playmaker and uve instantly got a better chance at improving the teams offence. The same with Carter and Lawrence. Had Neilson not signed them chances are we wouldnt be as goal shy as we are. Lawrence is okay at his very best- Wiliams showed that in just a few games. And as for Carter he might as well not play given the amount of times he affects a game in a positive way. It can be a lottery signing imports but to sign one who the coach knows has more baggeage than an airport is unforgivable and then to bow to his demand to sign his mates too. Is absolutely ridiculous and would never happen in sheffield or belfast I do also agree that other players havent puled their weight but then with 4 players signed as forwards they are alwYs going to struggle to produce points...... sorry yes I see what you are saying now, it could be argued by Neilson that we would be capable of having both Brown and Logan due to the fact that the others were going to be capable of producing more than expected, how wrong he was
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Post by Mark on Feb 20, 2017 23:59:07 GMT
Brown and Lindhagen are the only import forwards I would consider keeping. The rest can go.
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