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Post by wgray on Feb 19, 2017 20:19:33 GMT
Brilliant! Good starting point for next season having those 2 back. It's also interesting to note that we only used 2 of the uni deals as apposed to 3 last season. I think we have five spaces that we can use at any one time, when this season ends three spaces become available obviously. It is a pretty good tool for attracting the best players we can I think
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 20:26:51 GMT
Brilliant! Good starting point for next season having those 2 back. It's also interesting to note that we only used 2 of the uni deals as apposed to 3 last season. I think we have five spaces that we can use at any one time, when this season ends three spaces become available obviously. It is a pretty good tool for attracting the best players we can I think That'll explain that then. With Spang & Brown I think we've made a much better use of the uni places this year than last, hopefully that trend will continue with the 3 spaces opening up next season.
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 19, 2017 21:14:07 GMT
Brilliant! Good starting point for next season having those 2 back. It's also interesting to note that we only used 2 of the uni deals as apposed to 3 last season. I think we have five spaces that we can use at any one time, when this season ends three spaces become available obviously. It is a pretty good tool for attracting the best players we can I think we should be able to attract better quality players than we have this year Wether they're on uni deals or not, look at Cardiffs team, the majority of their players would walk into our side and I doubt they're all on uni deals
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Post by sevcik on Feb 19, 2017 21:27:22 GMT
This years team was crippled from an offensive point of view from the very start with Neilson wanting to base the forwards around Chris Lawrence. This is also the why changes weren't made when perhaps they should have been. Coventry got rid of Lawrence after 4 games even though he was on a uni deal.. Because he wasnt producing on the ice and because he was a disruptive influence. Its not that Neilson didnt know what to expect when he signed him.... for the 3rd time....
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Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2017 22:34:06 GMT
This years team was crippled from an offensive point of view from the very start with Neilson wanting to base the forwards around Chris Lawrence. This is also the why changes weren't made when perhaps they should have been. Coventry got rid of Lawrence after 4 games even though he was on a uni deal.. Because he wasnt producing on the ice and because he was a disruptive influence. Its not that Neilson didnt know what to expect when he signed him.... for the 3rd time.... You have to seriously question Neilsons recruiting. Who was the last real game changing player he signed for Panthers ? One in his prime that was very good,with a good resume,who wasn't 35 plus,injured/injury prone,came without lots of baggage,who made a real difference,who turned up every game week in week out and stayed here for a few years. A player like Roy,Fretter,Martin or Hotham etc. Neilson seems lacking in contacts,or he's lost them because he's been here too long,we won't spend the going money to get them or the prospective players have done their homework and don't like who they're going to be working for. Something is wrong with Panthers recruiting,very wrong !
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Post by Mozzy on Feb 19, 2017 22:35:30 GMT
I think we have five spaces that we can use at any one time, when this season ends three spaces become available obviously. It is a pretty good tool for attracting the best players we can I think we should be able to attract better quality players than we have this year Wether they're on uni deals or not, look at Cardiffs team, the majority of their players would walk into our side and I doubt they're all on uni deals We opted to not put anybody on Uni deals this season due to Thompson feeling that studying can affect players performance and that they are primarily here to play not study. Personally think they are a great tool even if they are given out too easily to some players.
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Post by Mozzy on Feb 19, 2017 22:43:54 GMT
This years team was crippled from an offensive point of view from the very start with Neilson wanting to base the forwards around Chris Lawrence. This is also the why changes weren't made when perhaps they should have been. Coventry got rid of Lawrence after 4 games even though he was on a uni deal.. Because he wasnt producing on the ice and because he was a disruptive influence. Its not that Neilson didnt know what to expect when he signed him.... for the 3rd time.... You have to seriously question Neilsons recruiting. Who was the last real game changing player he signed for Panthers ? One in his prime that was very good,with a good resume,who wasn't 35 plus,injured/injury prone,came without lots of baggage,who made a real difference,who turned up every game week in week out and stayed here for a few years. A player like Roy,Fretter,Martin or Hotham etc. Neilson seems lacking in contacts,or he's lost them because he's been here too long,we won't spend the going money to get them or the prospective players have done their homework and don't like who they're going to be working for. Something is wrong with Panthers recruiting,very wrong ! Ours were signed by Gerad Adams, who is back looking for a head coach slot. IMO you could do far far worse than taking G on. The question of Corey's future brought up on TCW this week and I thought they all gave the typical Panthers answer. We can't think of anybody to replace him with so we'd better keep him. That is part of your problem imo. Too many people in the fan base far too accepting of 2nd best. Wouldn't happen in Sheffield, Corey would have gone years ago. Also the comments on TCW about not wanting a player coach, such as Clarke, well Lord and Walser appear to be doing a decent job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 23:11:22 GMT
You have to seriously question Neilsons recruiting. Who was the last real game changing player he signed for Panthers ? One in his prime that was very good,with a good resume,who wasn't 35 plus,injured/injury prone,came without lots of baggage,who made a real difference,who turned up every game week in week out and stayed here for a few years. A player like Roy,Fretter,Martin or Hotham etc. Neilson seems lacking in contacts,or he's lost them because he's been here too long,we won't spend the going money to get them or the prospective players have done their homework and don't like who they're going to be working for. Something is wrong with Panthers recruiting,very wrong ! Ours were signed by Gerad Adams, who is back looking for a head coach slot. IMO you could do far far worse than taking G on. The question of Corey's future brought up on TCW this week and I thought they all gave the typical Panthers answer. We can't think of anybody to replace him with so we'd better keep him. That is part of your problem imo. Too many people in the fan base far too accepting of 2nd best. Wouldn't happen in Sheffield, Corey would have gone years ago. Also the comments on TCW about not wanting a player coach, such as Clarke, well Lord and Walser appear to be doing a decent job. There's plenty we can think of to replace Corey, thing is would they come and work for the club? My guess would be no.
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Post by Mark on Feb 19, 2017 23:33:25 GMT
This year!s team is terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 23:51:44 GMT
When you have a team that will probably end up 5th out of 10 teams, it just proves how bad they are. Hypothetically, if we end up 5th out of infinity teams, that's amazing, but they aren't, AGAIN. I'm wondering where the Panthers will finish, if they only had two teams in the league, Panthers and another, my guess probably 3rd. You literally only need two hands, or a 2 year old child, to count the amount of teams. It's incompetence at best. RANT OVER.
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Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2017 23:52:25 GMT
Ours were signed by Gerad Adams, who is back looking for a head coach slot. IMO you could do far far worse than taking G on. The question of Corey's future brought up on TCW this week and I thought they all gave the typical Panthers answer. We can't think of anybody to replace him with so we'd better keep him. That is part of your problem imo. Too many people in the fan base far too accepting of 2nd best. Wouldn't happen in Sheffield, Corey would have gone years ago. Also the comments on TCW about not wanting a player coach, such as Clarke, well Lord and Walser appear to be doing a decent job. There's plenty we can think of to replace Corey, thing is would they come and work for the club? My guess would be no. That's the trouble though Jono.....sometimes you have to take a chance and Panthers won't. There must be hundreds of similar chances taken the world over every year though,lots of coaches get changed. People say "be careful what you wish for" when change is mentioned. But they also say "if it ain't broke don't fix it".........but ours is broken,so it needs fixing. Panthers are just plain lazy,both when it comes to recruiting players and when it comes to the coach. If you don't ask or try then you won't get simple as that. But as I said in my earlier post,whilst Panthers like to think they are a big and very attractive proposition,they really aren't as they don't have a great name below the surface and that's a big problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 9:04:26 GMT
This years team was crippled from an offensive point of view from the very start with Neilson wanting to base the forwards around Chris Lawrence. This is also the why changes weren't made when perhaps they should have been. Coventry got rid of Lawrence after 4 games even though he was on a uni deal.. Because he wasnt producing on the ice and because he was a disruptive influence. Its not that Neilson didnt know what to expect when he signed him.... for the 3rd time.... Thing is Lawrence has been very effective for us in his previous 2 stints with us (top point scorer in season 1 and brilliant on the 4th line in season 2) and he does seem to be pretty well liked. The off-ice stuff does seem to have cropped up a lot more this season though which is problematic, same with MacMillan.
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Post by mmmbop on Feb 20, 2017 10:57:00 GMT
This is one of the worst Panthers sides I've ever seen and now some people seem scared of change. If you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards
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Post by PantherTom on Feb 20, 2017 11:20:23 GMT
This years team was crippled from an offensive point of view from the very start with Neilson wanting to base the forwards around Chris Lawrence. This is also the why changes weren't made when perhaps they should have been. Coventry got rid of Lawrence after 4 games even though he was on a uni deal.. Because he wasnt producing on the ice and because he was a disruptive influence. Its not that Neilson didnt know what to expect when he signed him.... for the 3rd time.... You have to seriously question Neilsons recruiting. Who was the last real game changing player he signed for Panthers ? One in his prime that was very good,with a good resume,who wasn't 35 plus,injured/injury prone,came without lots of baggage,who made a real difference,who turned up every game week in week out and stayed here for a few years. A player like Roy,Fretter,Martin or Hotham etc. Neilson seems lacking in contacts,or he's lost them because he's been here too long,we won't spend the going money to get them or the prospective players have done their homework and don't like who they're going to be working for. Something is wrong with Panthers recruiting,very wrong ! Fox, Mosey, Werner, Lepine
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 11:27:52 GMT
I don't think either Carter would get in the Scottish teams that's how bad he is ...he ain't good enough to be a spare in Sheffield or Cardiff!!
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Post by Warren on Feb 20, 2017 11:28:45 GMT
This years team was crippled from an offensive point of view from the very start with Neilson wanting to base the forwards around Chris Lawrence. This is also the why changes weren't made when perhaps they should have been. Coventry got rid of Lawrence after 4 games even though he was on a uni deal.. Because he wasnt producing on the ice and because he was a disruptive influence. Its not that Neilson didnt know what to expect when he signed him.... for the 3rd time.... I actually think thats only 50% correct. I think it was a 2 headed monster of Lawrence and Jansen. Those 2 dropping out and not being replaced like for like (I suppose Lindhagen for Mosey, but Mosey was a meh resigning after hist first season wasn't he?) is what destroyed the team. Back to a comment I made in an earlier thread, I can't see anyone on this team making the "Fox post Capitals" statement, but i can see it coming from Jansen
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Post by wilx on Feb 20, 2017 13:03:01 GMT
This is one of the worst Panthers sides I've ever seen and now some people seem scared of change. If you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards # Consequences # Be careful for what you wish for lol, you have to laugh ( or you would certainly cry). Even if we bought in Micky Mouse I would welcome it at the moment, I don't care who it is as long as he starts gassing people when they are tacking the Micky ( mouse) out of us by getting us to watch their 1/2 hearted effort because the are at the Cory Neilson Holiday home for hangers on. Micky could not do any worse.
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Post by texpef on Feb 20, 2017 13:08:00 GMT
But why let that stuff irritate you? That's what I don't get. I'm guessing it's something to do with the fact you've previously invested in the club through sponsorship or something like that. Some of us have invested many years, many MANY thousands of miles and sponsorship I honestly couldn't care less what GM thinks about me or any of the other fans Even if it's to your face or to others you are with? I just turn up to watch the game. Winning is great, I hate losing as much as the next person, but it's not the end all be all for me. Your views are yours and others are the views of other people. Don't belittle other fans who are sports fans rather than those looking for entertainment for the night. For some of us the league is important and it's important that the players play with as much care and determination as we do when we drive to Cardiff or Dundee to watch them play. Your needs and wants are yours but don't ever belittle the thoughts and views of those who have invested many years following their team. Thanks for that to me it expresses exactly what i wanted to say. Dont forget to add to those many years and miles an awful lot of money as well to support this alleged professional hockey club To be honest i couldnt care less about GM or his views but to be honest i believe he is holding the club back from progressing and moving forward so thats why i think he should be replaced. As for the entertainment, my opinion is that i am entertained when i see a winning team and 0.7 home record and alot less than 0.5 away is nowhere near that...
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Post by EMB on Feb 20, 2017 13:14:13 GMT
You have to seriously question Neilsons recruiting. Who was the last real game changing player he signed for Panthers ? One in his prime that was very good,with a good resume,who wasn't 35 plus,injured/injury prone,came without lots of baggage,who made a real difference,who turned up every game week in week out and stayed here for a few years. A player like Roy,Fretter,Martin or Hotham etc. Neilson seems lacking in contacts,or he's lost them because he's been here too long,we won't spend the going money to get them or the prospective players have done their homework and don't like who they're going to be working for. Something is wrong with Panthers recruiting,very wrong ! Ours were signed by Gerad Adams, who is back looking for a head coach slot. IMO you could do far far worse than taking G on. The question of Corey's future brought up on TCW this week and I thought they all gave the typical Panthers answer. We can't think of anybody to replace him with so we'd better keep him. That is part of your problem imo. Too many people in the fan base far too accepting of 2nd best. Wouldn't happen in Sheffield, Corey would have gone years ago. Also the comments on TCW about not wanting a player coach, such as Clarke, well Lord and Walser appear to be doing a decent job. While I don't disagree with you Mozzy the only difference with Walser and Lord is they also have the backup in management of ex players who know what they're doing, with damn good hockey brains. If DC does take over as mentioned where is he going to get his experience in recruitment from he's hardly left the UK. Thing is no one wants to put their neck or good name on the line working for this club while ever GM and possibly NB are in charge. The changes need to happen higher up I'm afraid.
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Post by iginla on Feb 20, 2017 13:57:46 GMT
You have to seriously question Neilsons recruiting. Who was the last real game changing player he signed for Panthers ? One in his prime that was very good,with a good resume,who wasn't 35 plus,injured/injury prone,came without lots of baggage,who made a real difference,who turned up every game week in week out and stayed here for a few years. A player like Roy,Fretter,Martin or Hotham etc. Neilson seems lacking in contacts,or he's lost them because he's been here too long,we won't spend the going money to get them or the prospective players have done their homework and don't like who they're going to be working for. Something is wrong with Panthers recruiting,very wrong ! Fox, Mosey, Werner, Lepine Good or decent players Tom but.... Fox was a friend of Corey and only stayed two years. Mosey,Mmmm decent but was a very very cheap,young and a lucky chance signing with no resume at all to speak of. Lepine wasn't a game changer and we only got him last minute because Hull folded,young,raw and no real resume again. Werner was good but not a game changer and only played a season and a half. I'm talking,guys in their prime,25 to 32 years old with a good resume. Guys that every team would want,that require a team to go the extra mile to get......Those are the guys we never seem to sign !
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Post by mattscold on Feb 20, 2017 15:55:35 GMT
Just having a look at the top 10 scorers in the league this season.
I find it interesting that there is no NHL experience amongst them at all. Also only 1 player over 35 (Layne Ulmer)
So this calls to question, why the hell do we keep recruiting 38 yr old ex NHLers rather than young ECHL'ers?
(I have a spreadsheet but cant figure out how to do a table sorry, the data is here if anyone is able to make it work)
RANK NO. PLAYER POSITION Age TEAM GP G A PTS PIM NHL GP AHL GP ECHL GP DEL GP SEL GP 1 26 MATT BECA F 30 BRAEHEAD CLAN 43 23 41 64 22 0 44 166 0 0 2 61 SCOTT PITT LW 29 BRAEHEAD CLAN 43 29 32 61 22 0 11 143 0 0 3 23 VINNY SCARSELLA RW 27 DUNDEE STARS 43 15 44 59 4 0 0 142 0 0 4 12 ALEX LEAVITT C 33 BRAEHEAD CLAN 43 18 40 58 26 0 43 102 106 0 5 15 MATHIEU ROY LW 30 SHEFFIELD STEELERS 42 23 26 49 20 0 5 446 0 0 6 88 JOEY MARTIN C 28 CARDIFF DEVILS 42 16 32 48 37 0 21 188 0 0 7 19 RYAN DINGLE C 32 FIFE FLYERS 34 25 22 47 26 0 147 106 0 0 8 67 COLTON FRETTER C 34 SHEFFIELD STEELERS 41 23 22 45 23 0 185 53 52 0 9 68 CHRIS HIGGINS RW 30 BELFAST GIANTS 40 17 27 44 76 0 7 81 0 0 10 18 LAYNE ULMER F 36 CARDIFF DEVILS 42 15 28 43 12 0 308 38 56 0
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Post by sevcik on Feb 20, 2017 17:09:44 GMT
This years team was crippled from an offensive point of view from the very start with Neilson wanting to base the forwards around Chris Lawrence. This is also the why changes weren't made when perhaps they should have been. Coventry got rid of Lawrence after 4 games even though he was on a uni deal.. Because he wasnt producing on the ice and because he was a disruptive influence. Its not that Neilson didnt know what to expect when he signed him.... for the 3rd time.... Thing is Lawrence has been very effective for us in his previous 2 stints with us (top point scorer in season 1 and brilliant on the 4th line in season 2) and he does seem to be pretty well liked. The off-ice stuff does seem to have cropped up a lot more this season though which is problematic, same with MacMillan. And that year again he coasted more games than he put anywhere near full effort into. And that year 1 Lawrence team despite being in the CHL ranks alongside this as the worst I've seen in a very long time. Being top scorer on a team like that given the lack of quality isn't a big achievement. He only put effort in that 2nd season because it was his last chance of a club in the EIHL that season.... And then he would also know where all the bars are for the start of this season It was also Lawrence who approached Corey about coming back... He's well liked because hes one of the lads and by that I mean he likes a drink When a certain drinking establishment who Panthers have a sponsorship deal with allow both players you mention to go behind the bar and serve themselves....And I don't mean coke then your asking for trouble
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Post by Mozzy on Feb 20, 2017 18:49:44 GMT
Ours were signed by Gerad Adams, who is back looking for a head coach slot. IMO you could do far far worse than taking G on. The question of Corey's future brought up on TCW this week and I thought they all gave the typical Panthers answer. We can't think of anybody to replace him with so we'd better keep him. That is part of your problem imo. Too many people in the fan base far too accepting of 2nd best. Wouldn't happen in Sheffield, Corey would have gone years ago. Also the comments on TCW about not wanting a player coach, such as Clarke, well Lord and Walser appear to be doing a decent job. There's plenty we can think of to replace Corey, thing is would they come and work for the club? My guess would be no. There you go, unwilling to get out there and take a chance. So what if Adey won't come back if you've moved Corey on, I'm sure Adams would love to jump in the hot seat. Make a play for Walser, doing a good job in Belfast probably a year or two behind Lord. Why not Lord, you are bigger than Cardiff, offer him the right deal, money talks and I keep hearing you have plenty of it. Loads of options rather than sticking with the tired old formula. You'll probably have the issue after next season anyway when Corey decides to move on. He won't stay forever so you'll have to deal with it some time. I'd love you to keep Corey just as it means you most likely won't be a force in the league next season. In my opinion the bread and butter of this league in this country is the league title. Whilst Corey has a done a fantastic job in the cups his league record is abject at best. You're a big club, prove it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 18:52:44 GMT
There's plenty we can think of to replace Corey, thing is would they come and work for the club? My guess would be no. There you go, unwilling to get out there and take a chance.. I don't have any say in how the club is run or involvement in it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 18:59:38 GMT
There you go, unwilling to get out there and take a chance.. I don't have any say in how the club is run or involvement in it! You've jusy said that there's no one out there . Mozzy quite rightly pointed out . Gerad Adams I'd take him in a heartbeat. If they choose to go down the player coach route with Clarke I'd defo prefer to offer Walser a deal.
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