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Post by Robbie Nud on Feb 17, 2017 11:36:47 GMT
Keep: - Brown Farmer Betteridge Lindhagen
Poss: - Nikiforuk McGratton - he wasn't signed to put up big points, but to provide some grit against the dirty play. Use him as this
Rest can go, including CN
Get a coach who rules the locker room, has more than one system / idea and that all the players listen to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 11:45:29 GMT
Keep: McGrattan - he's already back isn't he? Rumoured 2 year deal I'd have him back regardless though as he seems to have settled now and is producing. Brown - stick the C on him and see where he can take us. Lindhagen - great skater, invaluable asset as he's comfortable up top and on d. Great hair aswell. Spang - class. Would love to see him on less minutes to see how effective he could be. Clarke - you can't replace what he brings as a British forward. Farmer - don't need to make a case for this one, best Brit in the league. Pacl - no reason not to keep him, not as a number 1 though.
Maybe: Lawrence - if you're not going to build the team around him, he'll probably go at a PPG as a 3rd line centre which is far from the end of the world. Lee - if he can be replaced he goes, if not he has to stay because... import limit. Lacho - if he can be replaced he goes, if not he has to stay because... import limit. Dimmen - solid, but can he stay healthy? Waugh - solid, but can he stay healthy? Wiikman - can he stay healthy? He's the best netminder in the league when fit but it's the most important position so can't afford him going down for stretches of time.
Nope: Carter - it just hasn't worked. There's something there but we haven't got it out of him and I don't think we will which is frustrating. Nikiforuk - a lot of hustle & bustle with no lack of trying (can't question his commitment either) but doesn't bring enough points wise to the table. Shultz - game changer on his day bit cannot be relied upon to stay healthy. MacMillan - this is a shame because last year he was very good but he's not been the same. Moving from forward to D and back again probably hasn't helped. If the off-ice situation is as bad as reported then he shouldn't be back anyway, no room for that. Sertich - recently he's been a lot better, thought he was our best d-man in the 5-4 win vs Sheffield (not saying a lot I know), I'm not against him coming back but you don't need him and Spang. Green - Nope.
I don't think coming back with a defence of:
Import - Dimmen Import - Waugh Spang - Lee
Would be a bad thing, gives Lee the oppurtunity to concentrate on playing a simple defensive game as he can allow Spang to be the one to carry the puck out the zone and take the risks (as his skillset is more suited to it). If he still makes mind boggling mistakes in that situation then either he's just plain dumb, and you can't fix that.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 17, 2017 12:25:10 GMT
I know he's 'our Miika' but for as good as he is he lets in FAR too many soft goals on his day and the way the league is going he would be a very easy upgrade. He was a big downgrade on Kowalski.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 12:50:45 GMT
I know he's 'our Miika' but for as good as he is he lets in FAR too many soft goals on his day and the way the league is going he would be a very easy upgrade. He was a big downgrade on Kowalski. The only goaltender in the league this year I'd take over him is Shane Owen, other than that I'm not sold on any of the others. Mustokovs - overrated Stewart - been figured out Bowns - just not sold on him Murphy - no Not seen Whistle or Manchesters goalie so can't have an opinion those 2. Braeheads goalie (can't spell his name) is rubbish aswell. Can't argue with the results of Mustokovs/Bowns but the eye test tells paints a different picture.
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Post by Warren on Feb 17, 2017 13:13:35 GMT
Brown, Nikiforuk and Lindhagen (as a Forward) are the only imports I would be invested in keeping. Even then, if they are upgraded (a true upgrade, not an on paper upgrade) I wouldn't be too upset with them going.
Brit wise, Farmer and Betteridge. Part of me still says Clarke, but I would sign him as a 13th Forward (10th if your going 3 lines) to account for potential lost games due to injury.
But unless other issues are resolved, *cough* GM *Cough*, a league title wont be coming this way.
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Post by mmmbop on Feb 17, 2017 13:19:45 GMT
Keep: McGrattan Williams Brown Farmer Clarke Pacl Lindhagan
The rest can be out the door for me Also a total shake up, new coach, forget this 'becareful what you wish for nonsense', one league title since hes been here don't cut it for me. Yes we've won Challenge cups and play offs but he struggles to last the pace in a league campaign the big one! The one we all want. New GM, a strength and conditioning coach, better media output and more interaction with the fans.
But i feel it will be more of the same next year and Corey saved with maybe a Challenge Cup
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Post by Yotes on Feb 17, 2017 13:53:23 GMT
In the knowledge that, in reality, all Brits will have to be retained because we've run our Brit corp down so badly we can't afford to lose any of them, and that CN and the head honchos will all be as they are...
Keep Brown - tries hard, scored a few goals, useful in a scrap. Lindhagen - useful utility man, prefer him as a forward than a defenceman, could do with more output though. Farmer - best player this year. Ollie - still young so still has upside.
Maybe Miika - decent enough, but no Kowalski, bit overrated really seems to pop a lot of rebounds into dangerous positions. Wouldn't be upset if he returned, but neither would I be upset if he didn't. Williams - would depend on injury prognosis, don't think he's been the superstar that was made out when he signed, after a fast start settled into PPG which is decent, but would depend on what they're paying him. Niki - quite like him but not really producing the end product. Not averse to a dive. McGrattan - this would be cost/benefit job for me. Scored a few goals, but for how much in wages? Same wages maybe get you double the production for someone who isn't a tough guy? Also think that, sadly, the enforcer role has had it, very few scraps for him this year. I don't see the point and don't really think Neilson wants one either - GM signing.
Leave Henry - for his own good, needs to be somewhere where they might even have a goalie coach, will do nothing wasting his career on our bench. Green - job for a younger man. Dimmen - crock. Sertich - utterly anonymous. Wasn't he meant to quarterback the PP? Spang - another one who seems to get highly vaunted, but doesn't do much for me. Massive diver. Waugh - crock. Lee - not been the same since the concussion, scapegoated a bit maybe but is making some glaring mistakes. Would be better off not being made to play all situations by a different coach. Clarke - crock. Might have a year left in him but will be 36 by the time we start again. Lacho - anonymous. 2 goals or something? Unacceptable. Schultz - crock. Called out by Neilson for being soft. Carter - lol. Lawrence - as above, but with a chaser and 10 pints, obviously. Moran - must be about 300 years old by now. Puts the effort in at least but not a lot to show for it. Will surely retire. MacMillan - been a useful plug on defence, but just sign a defenceman.
Neilson - will be back (has 2 year deal I think, and won the fish platter), but would like a new voice leading the way and some new ideas, and have said the same for years. Strachan - sounds like he's basically given a free spot to watch the game these days. What's the point? Typical penny pinching from the club. GM - the busted anchor holding the club back.
No Idea Yet Deivids
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Post by PantherB on Feb 17, 2017 15:23:36 GMT
Keep;
Wiikman - With a capable D, top 3 in the league Brown - Truely passionate and hard working, a guy every team needs Lindhagen - Very versatile, great skating Williams - Game changer when healthy, vast experience + contacts McGrattan - More than just an enforcer, can be dangerous if plonked in front of net Clarke - Always manages to find the twine somehow Lachowicz - Still an inkling of hope, good defensively Farmer - Our best Brit Pacl - Young, eager.. knows us now and will get his chances Waugh - Big defencemen seem to be an in demand asset these days. He's decent, good leader.
Dishonourably Discharge;
Lawrence - Off Ice issues + infuriating inconsistency and visual lack of motivation Schultz - Physically made of glass, hasn't seemed interested since Corey bollocked him
Not fussed Spang - Just not a fan Sertich - Bang average, never lived to expectation MacMillan - Deserves praise for switching to D but we need players in their natural position and role, Brown fills that. Nikiforuk - I like him, awesome guy, but there are better and younger out there Carter - Never lived to expectation Dimmen - I don't mind him, just wouldn't be elated to see jimmy return for a 3rd year. Rumour has it he's finished with hockey after this season anyway. Thanked, but let go; Moran Potential British Recruitee's;
Jack Prince, or Sam Duggan Two more British D
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Feb 18, 2017 8:40:38 GMT
don't see why people are so keen on Lindhagen. He's got no offensive output, he's ok as a dman. We should be doing better than putting square pegs in round holes. Will Brown still be as interested if he's the only Amigo left in town ?
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Post by iginla on Feb 18, 2017 9:13:48 GMT
don't see why people are so keen on Lindhagen. He's got no offensive output, he's ok as a dman. We should be doing better than putting square pegs in round holes. Will Brown still be as interested if he's the only Amigo left in town ? Agree with you on Lindhagen. Like his work ethic,he's a grafter certainly,but where is the end product ? You would expect speed,skill and good points from a Swede and we ain't getting much skill or the points. More like Bruce Richardson than Johan Molin !
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Feb 18, 2017 9:58:36 GMT
don't see why people are so keen on Lindhagen. He's got no offensive output, he's ok as a dman. We should be doing better than putting square pegs in round holes. Will Brown still be as interested if he's the only Amigo left in town ? Agree with you on Lindhagen. Like his work ethic,he's a grafter certainly,but where is the end product ? You would expect speed,skill and good points from a Swede and we ain't getting much skill or the points. More like Bruce Richardson than Johan Molin ! but with more teeth and hair. And less fight
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Post by wgray on Feb 18, 2017 10:57:26 GMT
If we are talking about an ideal team for next season that would challenge for everything, it is going to be a lot more expensive, difficult to construct and require some bold decisions to be made about certain players, so in reality it will never happen, but I would keep.
Forwards Clarke, Nikiforuk, Farmer, Lindhagen, McGrattan, Brown (captain), Betteridge
Defence Spang Sertich
Goalies Wiikman Pacl Non-returnees: Schultz - Game changer at times, love him as player, too injury prone unfortunately. Williams - Similiar to Schultz, has been a game changer in is handful of games, I don't want any players re-signed though who we can't rely on, especially our offensive leaders. Moran - retiring. Carter - not suited to this league unfortunately, cracking hands, but a passenger that we don't need and will not achieve much. Lawrence - hit and miss with his form and not the type of player that is going to grind all season long to help you win the league. MacMillan - he's done a job on defence but we can find better in that position and he's poor offensively as a forward. Lachowicz - not good enough at this level now, another passenger this one is lucky to have a British passport. Lee - not good enough at this level, a liability to the team. Waugh - need a true defensive dman, not big or mean enough, also injury prone. Dimmen - I feel Spang and Sertich have better offensive abilities, also injury prone. Green - no confidence and a liability.
The forwards that are returning add great secondary scoring and provide for the penalty kill, four more import forwards would need to be signed and these would all have to be game changers, our top offensive forwards. We would also have to sign another British forward to replace Lacho. The defensive returnees Spang and Sertich are the offensive dmen, a replacement would be needed for Lee, Batch is ideal, then we need two more stay at home Dmen and a two way damn. I would also sign a spare import forward and defenceman.
This would mean
Import Import Import Clarke Nikiforuk Import Farmer Lindhagen McGrattan Brit Brown Betteridge Import
Spang Import Sertich Import Import Brit Import
Wiikman Pacl Brit
It won't happen though
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 18, 2017 11:04:23 GMT
When he was interviewed in Ritten a few weeks back Williams said this was his last year in hockey and wanted to move on with a proper job
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 11:14:23 GMT
If we are talking about an ideal team for next season that would challenge for everything, it is going to be a lot more expensive, difficult to construct and require some bold decisions to be made about certain players, so in reality it will never happen, but I would keep. Forwards Clarke, Nikiforuk, Farmer, Lindhagen, McGrattan, Brown (captain), Betteridge Defence Spang Sertich Goalies Wiikman Pacl Non-returnees: Schultz - Game changer at times, love him as player, too injury prone unfortunately. Williams - Similiar to Schultz, has been a game changer in is handful of games, I don't want any players re-signed though who we can't rely on, especially our offensive leaders. Moran - retiring. Carter - not suited to this league unfortunately, cracking hands, but a passenger that we don't need and will not achieve much. Lawrence - hit and miss with his form and not the type of player that is going to grind all season long to help you win the league. MacMillan - he's done a job on defence but we can find better in that position and he's poor offensively as a forward. Lachowicz - not good enough at this level now, another passenger this one is lucky to have a British passport. Lee - not good enough at this level, a liability to the team. Waugh - need a true defensive dman, not big or mean enough, also injury prone. Dimmen - I feel Spang and Sertich have better offensive abilities, also injury prone. Green - no confidence and a liability. The forwards that are returning add great secondary scoring and provide for the penalty kill, four more import forwards would need to be signed and these would all have to be game changers, our top offensive forwards. We would also have to sign another British forward to replace Lacho. The defensive returnees Spang and Sertich are the offensive dmen, a replacement would be needed for Lee, Batch is ideal, then we need two more stay at home Dmen and a two way damn. I would also sign a spare import forward and defenceman. This would mean Import Import Import Clarke Nikiforuk Import Farmer Lindhagen McGrattan Brit Brown Betteridge Import Spang Import Sertich Import Import Brit Import Wiikman Pacl Brit It won't happen though I hope that doesn't. By the way Cardiff and Belfast managed to assemble expensive looking rosters
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Post by wgray on Feb 18, 2017 14:05:05 GMT
If we are talking about an ideal team for next season that would challenge for everything, it is going to be a lot more expensive, difficult to construct and require some bold decisions to be made about certain players, so in reality it will never happen, but I would keep. Forwards Clarke, Nikiforuk, Farmer, Lindhagen, McGrattan, Brown (captain), Betteridge Defence Spang Sertich Goalies Wiikman Pacl Non-returnees: Schultz - Game changer at times, love him as player, too injury prone unfortunately. Williams - Similiar to Schultz, has been a game changer in is handful of games, I don't want any players re-signed though who we can't rely on, especially our offensive leaders. Moran - retiring. Carter - not suited to this league unfortunately, cracking hands, but a passenger that we don't need and will not achieve much. Lawrence - hit and miss with his form and not the type of player that is going to grind all season long to help you win the league. MacMillan - he's done a job on defence but we can find better in that position and he's poor offensively as a forward. Lachowicz - not good enough at this level now, another passenger this one is lucky to have a British passport. Lee - not good enough at this level, a liability to the team. Waugh - need a true defensive dman, not big or mean enough, also injury prone. Dimmen - I feel Spang and Sertich have better offensive abilities, also injury prone. Green - no confidence and a liability. The forwards that are returning add great secondary scoring and provide for the penalty kill, four more import forwards would need to be signed and these would all have to be game changers, our top offensive forwards. We would also have to sign another British forward to replace Lacho. The defensive returnees Spang and Sertich are the offensive dmen, a replacement would be needed for Lee, Batch is ideal, then we need two more stay at home Dmen and a two way damn. I would also sign a spare import forward and defenceman. This would mean Import Import Import Clarke Nikiforuk Import Farmer Lindhagen McGrattan Brit Brown Betteridge Import Spang Import Sertich Import Import Brit Import Wiikman Pacl Brit It won't happen though I hope that doesn't. By the way Cardiff and Belfast managed to assemble expensive looking rosters Ok, fancy explaining why or what you don't like?
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 18, 2017 15:11:04 GMT
I think for next season the Brit pack needs some serious attention. I don't really accept there's no-one out there although i get its not easy and they come at a premium but Lacho just doesn't cut it anymore, David Clarke is getting on a bit and Betteridge although he's improving and has other aspects to his game doesn't have much point production.
I think Matty Davies would be a very good addition and a massive upgrade on Lacho.
There may be others worth looking at too:-
Bobby Chamberlain Lewis Hook Brett Perlini (think he would be classed as a Brit) Ciaran Long/Ivan Antonov (maybe, i know next to nothing about the EPL)
As regards to Steve Lee, although we may not like we might have to accept it as the only 2 i can see that would fit the bill would be Paul Swindlehurst and i can't see coming back or Josh Batch who would be great but i can't see why he would leave Cardiff to join us.
The only other possible alternatives would be Michael Farn, Lee Haywood or Declan Balmer but as i said i know nothing about EPL players.
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Post by leftshot27 on Feb 18, 2017 17:09:31 GMT
I think we have a problem with the Brits this year, losing Myers and Swindlehurstthen Oakford along with a seeming continued decline in Lachowiczs performances and the over use of Lee plus Clarkes injuries have clearly weakened us. Betteridge has contributed well but I think some unfairly expected him to like for like replace Myers. Farmer has been excellent, but with the addition of MK and Guildford though EIHL calibrate Brits will be an increasingly valuable commodity. We certainly need to bolster our Brits but easier said than done. For imports I assume Spang and Brown are both on 2 year uni deals and I would be happy to see them back, wiikman I would retain but we would need a Madalora calibrate number 2 as insurance and with the CHL in mind, but will our management be prepared to stump up for this ? Lindhagen I would keep if possible, seems a good character, strong skater who would contribute more with a more balanced team and some continuity is needed Nikiforuk has done enough to warrant a return along with McGrattan who is supposedly on a 2 year deal anyway,for what that's worth! On the assumption Williams is retiring I don't see a spot for any others. A big clear out is needed, but without change upstairs, ie GM being replaced I'm not holding out for much. If we want to target a win or 2 in the CHL and challenge properly for the league we need to fund 4 lines with the correct balance and definitely a much stronger skating side.When you look at our depth, lack of fitness in some quarters and average skating in others it's no wonder we've been cannon fodder in OT sometimes I think winning the Continental Cup has rightly lifted our profile again and is probably spiking our attendances at the moment. We should be capitalising on this to market the club properly and improve our PR massively, a modern progressive GM is essential for this and we should be aiming to fill the arena on a consistent basis. It should be achievable with all we having going for us I would personally love to see Paul Adey as Panthers GM, and it is a role I'm sure he would be interested in Anyway, back to reality.....
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Post by shinobi on Feb 18, 2017 19:15:59 GMT
Would very much like to see Adey back within the organisation too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 0:22:53 GMT
I hope that doesn't. By the way Cardiff and Belfast managed to assemble expensive looking rosters Ok, fancy explaining why or what you don't like? Spang and Sertich for a start. Wiikman is ok but you never know when he's fit or out injured
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Post by Shorty on Feb 19, 2017 9:38:59 GMT
When he was interviewed in Ritten a few weeks back Williams said this was his last year in hockey and wanted to move on with a proper job He must have done two then, as the one with Gary Moran he said he feels he has some good seasons left in him and that he would definitely think about coming back.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 19, 2017 10:15:44 GMT
When he was interviewed in Ritten a few weeks back Williams said this was his last year in hockey and wanted to move on with a proper job He must have done two then, as the one with Gary Moran he said he feels he has some good seasons left in him and that he would definitely think about coming back. Yes quite possibly. He said he was looking to get out and start a job but I can't remember what it was now.
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Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2017 10:43:49 GMT
He must have done two then, as the one with Gary Moran he said he feels he has some good seasons left in him and that he would definitely think about coming back. Yes quite possibly. He said he was looking to get out and start a job but I can't remember what it was now. If Williams wants a job rather than playing....head coach at Nottingham Panthers sounds good ! 😉
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Post by PantherB on Feb 19, 2017 10:52:30 GMT
Yes quite possibly. He said he was looking to get out and start a job but I can't remember what it was now. If Williams wants a job rather than playing....head coach at Nottingham Panthers sounds good ! 😉 Lets make sure we have a full time assistant coach too!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 19, 2017 11:07:29 GMT
Yes quite possibly. He said he was looking to get out and start a job but I can't remember what it was now. If Williams wants a job rather than playing....head coach at Nottingham Panthers sounds good ! 😉 He would be good and be able to recruit good as well which is the major worry with one day having DC
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 13:36:00 GMT
If Williams wants a job rather than playing....head coach at Nottingham Panthers sounds good ! 😉 He would be good and be able to recruit good as well which is the major worry with one day having DC I would hope that Clarke is serving his coaching apprenticeship under Corey as an assistant for now and will cut his teeth as a coach (well player coach I would guess) down at Peterborough.
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