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Post by pantherdman on Feb 19, 2017 13:49:07 GMT
I'd like to see a mcgrattan farmer Jansen line.
Black out: stop taking money out of the club and invest it all back into our team/club or sell up.
Moran, neilson out, stale and one dimensional.
Adey in as coach/gm
Amass the cheapest brits possible and spend the money on imports.
At least 5 players of Williams NHL pedigree.
A squad with competition for places.
Fitness and conditioning coach, dietitian, professional set up. Anyone not toeing the line gets fired instantly.
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Post by wgray on Feb 19, 2017 13:57:48 GMT
Ok, fancy explaining why or what you don't like? Spang and Sertich for a start. Wiikman is ok but you never know when he's fit or out injured I think Spang and Sertich are good personally, I don't think Neilson has recruited the right players to play with them this year to allow them to play there natural game, I think Sertich should have been given a role in the powerplay this season rather than Lee but again it's Neilson's decision. Remember Spang is on a Uni deal as well so it I can guarantee he will be back next season |
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Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2017 14:03:53 GMT
If Williams wants a job rather than playing....head coach at Nottingham Panthers sounds good ! 😉 He would be good and be able to recruit good as well which is the major worry with one day having DC You are presumably assuming FS,that Neilson recruited Williams.....he didn't ! |
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 19, 2017 14:09:46 GMT
Spang and Sertich for a start. Wiikman is ok but you never know when he's fit or out injured I think Spang and Sertich are good personally, I don't think Neilson has recruited the right players to play with them this year to allow them to play there natural game, I think Sertich should have been given a role in the powerplay this season rather than Lee but again it's Neilson's decision. Remember Spang is on a Uni deal as well so it I can guarantee he will be back next season Where does it say that Spang is on a Uni deal? It says nothing about that on his signing announcement. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:10:09 GMT
I'd like to see a mcgrattan farmer Jansen line. Black out: stop taking money out of the club and invest it all back into our team/club or sell up. Moran, neilson out, stale and one dimensional. Adey in as coach/gm Amass the cheapest brits possible and spend the money on imports. At least 5 players of Williams NHL pedigree. A squad with competition for places. Fitness and conditioning coach, dietitian, professional set up. Anyone not toeing the line gets fired instantly. Brit pack needs looking at, yes. Extra players to rotate/compete for places, yes. Fitness coach etc, yes. But a few questions: - Who's your centre on a line containing McGrattan, Farmer and Janssen? - You want Neil Black to put ALL the money he makes back into the club? That's illogical. - I'd have no problem with Adey as a coach but he's never recruited has he? That Belfast team was put together by Kelman. - Probably wouldn't get players of Williams ability unless they come with the baggage he does (age & injury) would you? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:17:54 GMT
I'd like to see a mcgrattan farmer Jansen line. Black out: stop taking money out of the club and invest it all back into our team/club or sell up. Moran, neilson out, stale and one dimensional. Adey in as coach/gm Amass the cheapest brits possible and spend the money on imports. At least 5 players of Williams NHL pedigree. A squad with competition for places. Fitness and conditioning coach, dietitian, professional set up. Anyone not toeing the line gets fired instantly. Brit pack needs looking at, yes. Extra players to rotate/compete for places, yes. Fitness coach etc, yes. But a few questions: - Who's your centre on a line containing McGrattan, Farmer and Janssen? - You want Neil Black to put ALL the money he makes back into the club? That's illogical. - I'd have no problem with Adey as a coach but he's never recruited has he? That Belfast team was put together by Kelman. - Probably wouldn't get players of Williams ability unless they come with the baggage he does (age & injury) would you? You seem contempt with accepting this garbage. Successful teams who do what it takes to win put most of the funds back into the team. We may not get 5 players of Williams quality but should be signing 5 players twice the standard of Carter too ! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:24:08 GMT
Brit pack needs looking at, yes. Extra players to rotate/compete for places, yes. Fitness coach etc, yes. But a few questions: - Who's your centre on a line containing McGrattan, Farmer and Janssen? - You want Neil Black to put ALL the money he makes back into the club? That's illogical. - I'd have no problem with Adey as a coach but he's never recruited has he? That Belfast team was put together by Kelman. - Probably wouldn't get players of Williams ability unless they come with the baggage he does (age & injury) would you? You seem contempt with accepting this garbage. Successful teams who do what it takes to win put most of the funds back into the team. We may not get 5 players of Williams quality but should be signing 5 players twice the standard of Carter too ! Content* that's twice now. At the end of the day it is a business like it or not and Neil Black is a businessman. Plus you've stopped going, so don't let it bother you this much. I had you pegged as Carter fan, his jersey is your avatar after all. |
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Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2017 14:29:39 GMT
Brit pack needs looking at, yes. Extra players to rotate/compete for places, yes. Fitness coach etc, yes. But a few questions: - Who's your centre on a line containing McGrattan, Farmer and Janssen?- You want Neil Black to put ALL the money he makes back into the club? That's illogical. - I'd have no problem with Adey as a coach but he's never recruited has he? That Belfast team was put together by Kelman. - Probably wouldn't get players of Williams ability unless they come with the baggage he does (age & injury) would you? You seem contempt with accepting this garbage. Successful teams who do what it takes to win put most of the funds back into the team. We may not get 5 players of Williams quality but should be signing 5 players twice the standard of Carter too ! We wouldn't need to put ALL the profits back. I would bet a lot of money,that if we were to put an extra 10-15% of our profit into team wages on top of what we already spend,Panthers would put a team on the ice that no other EIHL team could live with. And that would still leave them making a very big profit. The other EIHL teams should thank their lucky stars that our owner is a tightwad who has European fantasies ! |
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 19, 2017 14:34:18 GMT
Spang and Sertich for a start. Wiikman is ok but you never know when he's fit or out injured I think Spang and Sertich are good personally, I don't think Neilson has recruited the right players to play with them this year to allow them to play there natural game, I think Sertich should have been given a role in the powerplay this season rather than Lee but again it's Neilson's decision. Remember Spang is on a Uni deal as well so it I can guarantee he will be back next season I think it could end up similar to the Schmidt situation over the last few seasons. First season many didn't rate him and were dissapointed when he returned. In his second season most people changed their opinions to the point they wanted him back again this season. It was quite simple for me(I always liked him btw). In his first year he had to log a lot of minutes and he ended up being relied on as no1 D man. Remember some of the dross he had to play with. Last year he was surrounded with better quality and was probably 3rd/4th Dman. We need to build a better balanced team throughout. I think everyone agree's the balance of the D is wrong. Upgrade the others and allow them to play their own game and they will be more than good enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:34:19 GMT
You seem contempt with accepting this garbage. Successful teams who do what it takes to win put most of the funds back into the team. We may not get 5 players of Williams quality but should be signing 5 players twice the standard of Carter too ! We wouldn't need to put ALL the profits back. I would bet a lot of money,that if we were to put an extra 10-15% of our profit into team wages on top of what we already spend,Panthers would put a team on the ice that no other EIHL team could live with. And that would still leave them making a very big profit. The other EIHL teams should thank their lucky stars that our owner is a tightwad who has European fantasies ! Why do you let the politics of the club bother you so much? |
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Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2017 15:02:44 GMT
We wouldn't need to put ALL the profits back. I would bet a lot of money,that if we were to put an extra 10-15% of our profit into team wages on top of what we already spend,Panthers would put a team on the ice that no other EIHL team could live with. And that would still leave them making a very big profit. The other EIHL teams should thank their lucky stars that our owner is a tightwad who has European fantasies ! Why do you let the politics of the club bother you so much? Because the way Panthers are run irritates the hell out of me. The penny pinching ways,the lies,the half truths,the spin and the general crap that comes out of them,always telling us how hard they work,bigging up the slightest little thing,whilst at the same time down playing something much more important. They try and make out they are always doing their best,when in reality,they aren't even doing half what they could or should be. Everything is sponsored,absolutely everything,do they actually pay for anything themselves.....not a lot no,the mug sponsors pay for it ! The constant leaning towards Europe,so what,I couldn't give a stuff about bloody Europe. The never missing a single opportunity to bleed that extra last pound out of the fans. The constant refusal to move with the times,they are years behind much smaller clubs in a lot of things. The attitude towards the fans. On the outside,oh we are the best says fist pumping Moran,yeah right,if only the fans knew what GM really thinks of them.....they wouldn't like it ! Believe me,I've been there,I've seen how it works,still do to an extent and it stinks. I've put my money where my mouth is many times,for several years in fact,then one day I learnt my lesson and now my wallet stays firmly shut. At the end of the day,all I want is to win,I won't accept second best and especially from a team that could so so easily be the best. Problem is,they just don't want to be the best,except at selling tickets,making money and taking fans and sponsors for mugs ! I live in hope that one day soon things will change,but the day quickly gets ever closer when i will have had enough and just walk away for good. |
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Post by wgray on Feb 19, 2017 15:34:59 GMT
I think Spang and Sertich are good personally, I don't think Neilson has recruited the right players to play with them this year to allow them to play there natural game, I think Sertich should have been given a role in the powerplay this season rather than Lee but again it's Neilson's decision. Remember Spang is on a Uni deal as well so it I can guarantee he will be back next season Where does it say that Spang is on a Uni deal? It says nothing about that on his signing announcement. From the horses mouth, I'll also point out Jeff Brown is studying as well so he should be back next season which is fantastic |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 15:48:37 GMT
Why do you let the politics of the club bother you so much? Because the way Panthers are run irritates the hell out of me. The penny pinching ways,the lies,the half truths,the spin and the general crap that comes out of them,always telling us how hard they work,bigging up the slightest little thing,whilst at the same time down playing something much more important. They try and make out they are always doing their best,when in reality,they aren't even doing half what they could or should be. Everything is sponsored,absolutely everything,do they actually pay for anything themselves.....not a lot no,the mug sponsors pay for it ! The constant leaning towards Europe,so what,I couldn't give a stuff about bloody Europe. The never missing a single opportunity to bleed that extra last pound out of the fans. The constant refusal to move with the times,they are years behind much smaller clubs in a lot of things. The attitude towards the fans. On the outside,oh we are the best says fist pumping Moran,yeah right,if only the fans knew what GM really thinks of them.....they wouldn't like it ! Believe me,I've been there,I've seen how it works,still do to an extent and it stinks. I've put my money where my mouth is many times,for several years in fact,then one day I learnt my lesson and now my wallet stays firmly shut. At the end of the day,all I want is to win,I won't accept second best and especially from a team that could so so easily be the best. Problem is,they just don't want to be the best,except at selling tickets,making money and taking fans and sponsors for mugs ! I live in hope that one day soon things will change,but the day quickly gets ever closer when i will have had enough and just walk away for good. But why let that stuff irritate you? That's what I don't get. I'm guessing it's something to do with the fact you've previously invested in the club through sponsorship or something like that. I honestly couldn't care less what GM thinks about me or any of the other fans, I don't care where my money goes or what they do with it (after I've spent it it's theirs), I just turn up to watch the game. Winning is great, I hate losing as much as the next person, but it's not the end all be all for me. All the stuff you listed just stands to stem yours or anyones enjoyment of the game, so don't let it. At the end of the day it's just a game, yes the players play to win the game (and I have no doubt they do try to do that) but if they don't win then they don't win. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 15:50:51 GMT
Brilliant! Good starting point for next season having those 2 back. It's also interesting to note that we only used 2 of the uni deals as apposed to 3 last season. |
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Post by DMS on Feb 19, 2017 16:02:28 GMT
Brilliant! Good starting point for next season having those 2 back. It's also interesting to note that we only used 2 of the uni deals as apposed to 3 last season. It is only good if it is just brown without Lawrence and Carter in tow with him! |
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 19, 2017 16:15:11 GMT
Strange that they told us Jeff Brown was on a uni deal when they signed him and not Spang, but this is the Panthers we're talking about. |
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Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2017 16:18:31 GMT
Because the way Panthers are run irritates the hell out of me. The penny pinching ways,the lies,the half truths,the spin and the general crap that comes out of them,always telling us how hard they work,bigging up the slightest little thing,whilst at the same time down playing something much more important. They try and make out they are always doing their best,when in reality,they aren't even doing half what they could or should be. Everything is sponsored,absolutely everything,do they actually pay for anything themselves.....not a lot no,the mug sponsors pay for it ! The constant leaning towards Europe,so what,I couldn't give a stuff about bloody Europe. The never missing a single opportunity to bleed that extra last pound out of the fans. The constant refusal to move with the times,they are years behind much smaller clubs in a lot of things. The attitude towards the fans. On the outside,oh we are the best says fist pumping Moran,yeah right,if only the fans knew what GM really thinks of them.....they wouldn't like it ! Believe me,I've been there,I've seen how it works,still do to an extent and it stinks. I've put my money where my mouth is many times,for several years in fact,then one day I learnt my lesson and now my wallet stays firmly shut. At the end of the day,all I want is to win,I won't accept second best and especially from a team that could so so easily be the best. Problem is,they just don't want to be the best,except at selling tickets,making money and taking fans and sponsors for mugs ! I live in hope that one day soon things will change,but the day quickly gets ever closer when i will have had enough and just walk away for good. But why let that stuff irritate you? That's what I don't get. I'm guessing it's something to do with the fact you've previously invested in the club through sponsorship or something like that. I honestly couldn't care less what GM thinks about me or any of the other fans, I don't care where my money goes or what they do with it (after I've spent it it's theirs), I just turn up to watch the game. Winning is great, I hate losing as much as the next person, but it's not the end all be all for me. All the stuff you listed just stands to stem yours or anyones enjoyment of the game, so don't let it. At the end of the day it's just a game, yes the players play to win the game (and I have no doubt they do try to do that) but if they don't win then they don't win. Then you and me are very different. I expect my team to do all they can to win,whereas you just want to watch hockey and will watch and accept any dross they wish to serve up. In Panthers case,they do just enough to get by and no more. Look at this past couple of weeks with player signings,we are in dire need of reinforcements yet who gets them......Braehead our sister club who hardly even needed him ! Meanwhile GM tells us no players available,which is proved to be a lie by Braeheads and other teams recent signings. In the meantime,I tell you ages ago that Williams was done for the year,but did the Panthers tell you.....no,until they had to. Why didn't they tell you,because just as I predicted they wanted to bury it on a good day. What happened next and was it a good day ? We signed a token Latvian kid who looks to me like he would struggle as an EPL import on last nights showing,so no it wasn't a good day ! Did they big him up yep,did he live up to the billing.....no. I expect a Steelers winning mentality,unfortunately I support the wrong club it seems. Do I want boom and bust,of course not,but I expect my team to at least offer the very best they can for the money we fans pay. But I'm afraid in Panthers case,they just don't or won't do it,by a very very long way ! |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 19, 2017 16:19:09 GMT
But why let that stuff irritate you? That's what I don't get. I'm guessing it's something to do with the fact you've previously invested in the club through sponsorship or something like that. Some of us have invested many years, many MANY thousands of miles and sponsorship I honestly couldn't care less what GM thinks about me or any of the other fans Even if it's to your face or to others you are with? I just turn up to watch the game. Winning is great, I hate losing as much as the next person, but it's not the end all be all for me. Your views are yours and others are the views of other people. Don't belittle other fans who are sports fans rather than those looking for entertainment for the night. For some of us the league is important and it's important that the players play with as much care and determination as we do when we drive to Cardiff or Dundee to watch them play. Your needs and wants are yours but don't ever belittle the thoughts and views of those who have invested many years following their team. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 16:34:38 GMT
Some of us have invested many years, many MANY thousands of miles and sponsorship Even if it's to your face or to others you are with? Your views are yours and others are the views of other people. Don't belittle other fans who are sports fans rather than those looking for entertainment for the night. For some of us the league is important and it's important that the players play with as much care and determination as we do when we drive to Cardiff or Dundee to watch them play. Your needs and wants are yours but don't ever belittle the thoughts and views of those who have invested many years following their team. Even if it was to my face, peoples opinions of me matter very little to me. That second paragraph makes no sense as to the part you've quoted so I'm ignoring it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 16:53:54 GMT
But why let that stuff irritate you? That's what I don't get. I'm guessing it's something to do with the fact you've previously invested in the club through sponsorship or something like that. I honestly couldn't care less what GM thinks about me or any of the other fans, I don't care where my money goes or what they do with it (after I've spent it it's theirs), I just turn up to watch the game. Winning is great, I hate losing as much as the next person, but it's not the end all be all for me. All the stuff you listed just stands to stem yours or anyones enjoyment of the game, so don't let it. At the end of the day it's just a game, yes the players play to win the game (and I have no doubt they do try to do that) but if they don't win then they don't win. Then you and me are very different. I expect my team to do all they can to win,whereas you just want to watch hockey and will watch and accept any dross they wish to serve up. In Panthers case,they do just enough to get by and no more. Look at this past couple of weeks with player signings,we are in dire need of reinforcements yet who gets them......Braehead our sister club who hardly even needed him ! Meanwhile GM tells us no players available,which is proved to be a lie by Braeheads and other teams recent signings. In the meantime,I tell you ages ago that Williams was done for the year,but did the Panthers tell you.....no,until they had to. Why didn't they tell you,because just as I predicted they wanted to bury it on a good day. What happened next and was it a good day ? We signed a token Latvian kid who looks to me like he would struggle as an EPL import on last nights showing,so no it wasn't a good day ! Did they big him up yep,did he live up to the billing.....no. I expect a Steelers winning mentality,unfortunately I support the wrong club it seems. Do I want boom and bust,of course not,but I expect my team to at least offer the very best they can for the money we fans pay. But I'm afraid in Panthers case,they just don't or won't do it,by a very very long way ! Well you still go and watch said dross (even after saying you know it'll be the same year on year) so ergo you accept it as well, no? Only difference is you complain about it. |
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Post by jdizpt8 on Feb 19, 2017 17:18:01 GMT
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Need to get in big stay at home hit you through the boards D men
Need some guys who are out and out goal scorers who you can rely on for 30 goals a season
Need some genuine assist merchants who can put the puck on a penny
Need an energy guy in the Cam role to make the big hits and get right into the mix when it hots up, that way we can use McG as a genuine heavyweight when he needs to but make use of his power forwardness he's got going on.
Plum for another goalie who's consultantly completing a close to full (allowing for games he's rested for) season of games.
Need to get a C on Browns chest and build a team for the league like we did in the slam year. The CHL will be good for pre season work as we're never winning that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 17:53:22 GMT
What we want and what we get is completely different I'm afraid. The recruitment is guaranteed to be a total train wreck !
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Post by pantherdman on Feb 19, 2017 19:49:35 GMT
I'd like to see a mcgrattan farmer Jansen line. Black out: stop taking money out of the club and invest it all back into our team/club or sell up. Moran, neilson out, stale and one dimensional. Adey in as coach/gm Amass the cheapest brits possible and spend the money on imports. At least 5 players of Williams NHL pedigree. A squad with competition for places. Fitness and conditioning coach, dietitian, professional set up. Anyone not toeing the line gets fired instantly. Brit pack needs looking at, yes. Extra players to rotate/compete for places, yes. Fitness coach etc, yes. But a few questions: - Who's your centre on a line containing McGrattan, Farmer and Janssen? - You want Neil Black to put ALL the money he makes back into the club? That's illogical. - I'd have no problem with Adey as a coach but he's never recruited has he? That Belfast team was put together by Kelman. - Probably wouldn't get players of Williams ability unless they come with the baggage he does (age & injury) would you? -doesn't matter, it's the 4th line. Want the opposition to win the face off so we can smash them. -75% would do. -we'd have a decent gm and ideally some scouts. - of course we could, see point 2. |
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 19, 2017 20:11:57 GMT
Brit pack needs looking at, yes. Extra players to rotate/compete for places, yes. Fitness coach etc, yes. But a few questions: - Who's your centre on a line containing McGrattan, Farmer and Janssen? - You want Neil Black to put ALL the money he makes back into the club? That's illogical. - I'd have no problem with Adey as a coach but he's never recruited has he? That Belfast team was put together by Kelman. - Probably wouldn't get players of Williams ability unless they come with the baggage he does (age & injury) would you? -doesn't matter, it's the 4th line. Want the opposition to win the face off so we can smash them. -75% would do. -we'd have a decent gm and ideally some scouts. - of course we could, see point 2. farmer is currently too good to be using like that in my opinion, I'd have brown, mcgrattan and betteridge. |
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Post by wgray on Feb 19, 2017 20:14:07 GMT
Brilliant! Good starting point for next season having those 2 back. It's also interesting to note that we only used 2 of the uni deals as apposed to 3 last season. It is only good if it is just brown without Lawrence and Carter in tow with him! If we are to progress. next season it should just be Brown |
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