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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 22:22:44 GMT
I don't blame Neilson for the lack of bodies. I believe he's asked constantly for replacements but been rebuffed. Anyone at the Panthers care to refute this? Neilson is GM's puppet. He gets the job every year because he sticks to the script put in front of him.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jan 9, 2016 22:25:49 GMT
Two defining moments are when Mosey was caught out for the second - and otherwise he was very good - and Lawrence and Mosey collided toilet Cardiff in for the third. You can get in what replacements you want, but that is unlikely to change that. Also not a lot Corey on the night can do about it. Also again labouring the point - spare forwards, but light on the D.
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Post by Mark Mac on Jan 9, 2016 22:31:33 GMT
Horrible cross check by Ling on Lord unpunished - we would be up in arms if it was Marsh. Crikey. Based on what I've seen on the Facebook group, a lynch squad would've already set off down to Cardiff if a Devils player had done it! Whilst I am disappointed in the result I am not quite as disappointed as with some of our previous results over the previous month. We played OK for most of it. At least 2 of their goals were our own mess ups. Maybe those mistakes were caused by our D logging too many minutes, I'd have to watch the goals again. Happy with our new netminder. That rink is a tough place for any nettie used to it so he was all right. Our problem tonight was the same problem as the whole seasons. Players are injured but we don't replace them. Doesn't take a sodding genius to work that one out.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 9, 2016 22:31:42 GMT
I don't blame Neilson for the lack of bodies. I believe he's asked constantly for replacements but been rebuffed. Anyone at the Panthers care to refute this? Neilson is GM's puppet. He gets the job every year because he sticks to the script put in front of him. Cheap as possible with as little effort. Elite league mission statement. Oh, our press release is out, we are going to bounce back and there are good seats available apparently. They got that on the website fast, almost like it was pre written in advance.
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 9, 2016 22:32:04 GMT
Went to the Nottingham Legend to watch the webcast, first experience of watching a full game from the BBT. What a difficult place to play hockey for any away side.Personally I thought we played well enough, but missed that bit of magic in their zone. I was impressed with Madalora, who I thought made a solid debut in what is a very difficult place for a netminder, never mind one making their debut. A couple of defensive slips apart, I thought D looked pretty solid, and did not seem tired at all. It seems to me some people are trying to hang this defeat at the club's door, suprise suprise, when on another night we could have come away with the points. It will be very difficult to win the league from here, but there is still a long way to go.
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Post by wgray on Jan 9, 2016 22:32:25 GMT
Two defining moments are when Mosey was caught out for the second - and otherwise he was very good - and Lawrence and Mosey collided toilet Cardiff in for the third. You can get in what replacements you want, but that is unlikely to change that. Also not a lot Corey on the night can do about it. Also again labouring the point - spare forward lines, but light on the D. yes but the second came from mosey making a mistake after being forced to play a longer a shift which will have made him more fatigued
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jan 9, 2016 22:33:57 GMT
wgray - already dealt with
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Post by Yotes on Jan 9, 2016 22:34:47 GMT
Are you expecting to win every game then? We're currently 5th in the league, one point off 6th. If anyone here thinks that is remotely good enough with some of the clear talent on the roster you need help. Corey should have gone last season, GM should have gone years ago. The club is laughing in the face of the fans & the players. Like idiots we keep on attending for the next 'massive game'. Others clubs owners put ours to shame, easily. I agree with almost all of that Jord, but looking at today's game we've lost away at the top of the table side, a place we've often struggled to get a result in and we're asking whether it's time to meltdown? Come on. Add to that, Black is, as usual, getting it in the neck because we go to Cardiff, ice 1 more player than them (20 flipping players for goodness sake), and lose. There's a lack of bodies? Really? How big a roster do we need to not be 5th, to not lose 5-3 twice in a week to Coventry? Maybe Black's wondering why he has to chuck so much money into it to get any sort of league result out of Neilson? Why he's paying 2 EIHL head coaches to guide us to 5th place? He gets money to sign Hardy, "blah blah we like to wait and get the right guy, we don't rush in blah blah" - lapped up on here - 10 games later "sorry Kyle, results business, you're sacked". I wouldn't give him any money either.
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Post by iginla on Jan 9, 2016 22:35:31 GMT
Bad management and too many players underperforming I'm afraid.
How can Oakford be our 5th Dman,he's nowhere near good enough. Where is Lacho ? Where is Farmer ? Where is Clarkey ? Where has Bohmbach gone ? What is Janssen bringing the last ten games ?
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Post by Mark Mac on Jan 9, 2016 22:43:42 GMT
What is Janssen bringing the last ten games ? I can't but feel that everyone has been told to be less physical. Earlier in the season many players were hitting but recently it seems like few players trying to throw hits. Of course there is the odd exception, but it's like a different team. It's often said that players are more confident when their team mates are being physical but maybe it's the reverse. Crap results = low confidence. (Not that I am excusing them.) I certainly get the impression that Neilson has stopped using Janssen in the way that he needs to be used.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 22:45:58 GMT
We're currently 5th in the league, one point off 6th. If anyone here thinks that is remotely good enough with some of the clear talent on the roster you need help. Corey should have gone last season, GM should have gone years ago. The club is laughing in the face of the fans & the players. Like idiots we keep on attending for the next 'massive game'. Others clubs owners put ours to shame, easily. I agree with almost all of that Jord, but looking at today's game we've lost away at the top of the table side, a place we've often struggled to get a result in and we're asking whether it's time to meltdown? Come on. Add to that, Black is, as usual, getting it in the neck because we go to Cardiff, ice 1 more player than them (20 flipping players for goodness sake), and lose. There's a lack of bodies? Really? How big a roster do we need to not be 5th, to not lose 5-3 twice in a week to Coventry? Maybe Black's wondering why he has to chuck so much money into it to get any sort of league result out of Neilson? Why he's paying 2 EIHL head coaches to guide us to 5th place? He gets money to sign Hardy, "blah blah we like to wait and get the right guy, we don't rush in blah blah" - lapped up on here - 10 games later "sorry Kyle, results business, you're sacked". I wouldn't give him any money either. I'm not supporting Corey one bit, Yotes. He's vastly overrated on here by many. How can you cite cup & play off wins as plus marks? The play offs are at our own rink for gods sake. One league title win.... One. I wouldn't blame Black for giving him no more cash, why is he still in a job? GM likes a yes man. It's a lack of dmen, the squad is unbalanced. How can you run only 5 dmen? It's madness.
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Post by Mark on Jan 9, 2016 22:45:59 GMT
The one season we actually signed an adequate defence, we won the league. Go figure.
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Post by iginla on Jan 9, 2016 22:49:33 GMT
I like Janssen,but if Corey isn't going to let him play Cams normal game,then having him on the team is a virtual waste of an import slot I'm afraid Mark.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 22:51:26 GMT
I like Janssen,but if Corey isn't going to let him play Cams normal game,then having him on the team is a virtual waste of an import slot I'm afraid Mark. I bet Cam is quietly wondering why he is here. Too much of a pro to say anything though.
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Post by Mark Mac on Jan 9, 2016 22:52:07 GMT
I like Janssen,but if Corey isn't going to let him play Cams normal game,then having him on the team is a virtual waste of an import slot I'm afraid Mark. Oh I agree, but it's another weird decision by Corey. No doubt he'll eventually work out that it's a stupid decision but that won't be until too late in the season.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 9, 2016 22:57:43 GMT
Conversion rates from key players were apparently once again sub par. We all know the slaps in our faces are getting ridiculous but lets take a step back and focus solely on the games. They're there to do a job as well.
Yes, a depleted defence is costing us. Yes, no urgency and willingness to sign cover for injured players. But look at the shot totals. Good teams find ways to win games and score goals tonight we failed to take out chances and it really cost us and has, baring a miraculous turn around of form cost us another league title.
What I'd like, personally is for fans to get together and bombard the club for answers directly. Social media has a voice louder than boos and anonymous forums. I want Black, Moran or even just Corey to tell "the best fans in the league" why we are being cut short. Our loyalty and ever increasing attendances deserve to be met with honesty. No more media spin, no more avoiding bad situations for the sake of cheesy over used tactics to pull in people to fill that arena. But the chances of that happening are virtually none existent.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 9, 2016 23:23:01 GMT
We're currently 5th in the league, one point off 6th. If anyone here thinks that is remotely good enough with some of the clear talent on the roster you need help. Corey should have gone last season, GM should have gone years ago. The club is laughing in the face of the fans & the players. Like idiots we keep on attending for the next 'massive game'. Others clubs owners put ours to shame, easily. I agree with almost all of that Jord, but looking at today's game we've lost away at the top of the table side, a place we've often struggled to get a result in and we're asking whether it's time to meltdown? Come on. Add to that, Black is, as usual, getting it in the neck because we go to Cardiff, ice 1 more player than them (20 flipping players for goodness sake), and lose. There's a lack of bodies? Really? How big a roster do we need to not be 5th, to not lose 5-3 twice in a week to Coventry? Maybe Black's wondering why he has to chuck so much money into it to get any sort of league result out of Neilson? Why he's paying 2 EIHL head coaches to guide us to 5th place? He gets money to sign Hardy, "blah blah we like to wait and get the right guy, we don't rush in blah blah" - lapped up on here - 10 games later "sorry Kyle, results business, you're sacked". I wouldn't give him any money either. Neilson works for Black. If he has the wrong person in the job that's Blacks fault not Neilsons.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 9, 2016 23:26:41 GMT
I'd imagine Black would leave the hiring of the coach to the man who manages the business for him?
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Post by iginla on Jan 9, 2016 23:33:40 GMT
Mr Black makes the hiring of the coach decision,but make no mistake,whether a coach fits is in the hands of GM,he will poison the pot if he doesn't like what might be coming.
And if the coach doesn't tow the line with GM then he won't be here long..........Yes boss !!!
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Post by PantherG on Jan 9, 2016 23:41:46 GMT
Mr Black makes the hiring of the coach decision,but make no mistake,whether a coach fits is in the hands of GM,he will poison the pot if he doesn't like what might be coming. And if the coach doesn't tow the line with GM then he won't be here long..........Yes boss !!! Then he really needs to go ASAP
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Post by Mark on Jan 9, 2016 23:45:10 GMT
Too many chefs and all that. Both Black and Moran have interfered in team matters this season.
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Jan 9, 2016 23:52:44 GMT
Are you expecting to win every game then? If we'd gone there and got done, I'd be more inclined to be negative about it. I appreciate that if we had another defenceman in we'd be in a stronger position for games like this, but it didn't sound earlier like we were particularly poor in the game. In a sense Yotes yes. Even though I accept the reality may be different any team & it's fans who have aspirations to win titles and trophy's should have that level of expectation & desire. Otherwise the only item adorning our trophy cabinet at the end of the season will be a framed, highly polished, picture of G.M's Great Aunt Maud There's a sense of apathy at Management level which, whilst not intended as a personal slant on your good self in my previous post, I felt was reflected in your comment in saying "It's hardly the first (or last) time we've lost in Cardiff is it?". The emphasis being on 'or last'. It's as if our level of expectancy as supporters should be a decent run to get our hopes up, only for them to be shattered due to mismanagement of injuries and replacements. As many on here pointed out months ago at the start of the season Peckham was not replaced, we started an import short (intended as stated by Corey) which together with the lack of adequate cover for injuries has now seemingly defined the rest of our season as 'also rans' in as far as the title is concerned. Granted we appeared to have put in a decent effort tonight & my beef is not with the players as such. The D are having to put in extra shifts leading to tiredness & errors, Mosey has been our best player for weeks & skates his socks off. I would imagine they are as equally frustrated when they see other sides bringing in cover or even strengthening on what they have already. That said as noble as they are in trying & as much as we love them for it, "playing reasonably well with a few mistakes" is not going to reap much reward other than a pat on the back for effort & I feel for them because they deserve better support from above in giving us the best chance of winning some silverware.
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Post by iginla on Jan 9, 2016 23:54:38 GMT
It would actually be nice to see Mr Black at a game watching his ailing team for once. Don't suppose he will be there tomorrow though because his beloved Spurs are playing in the FA cup.
Is it by any chance going to be a blue moon tomorrow !
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 9, 2016 23:59:39 GMT
It would actually be nice to see Mr Black at a game watching his ailing team for once. Don't suppose he will be there tomorrow though because his beloved Spurs are playing in the FA cup. Is it by any chance going to be a blue moon tomorrow ! There won't be a moon anymore, Black couldn't find the loose change to keep it in orbit.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 10, 2016 0:28:03 GMT
Are you expecting to win every game then? If we'd gone there and got done, I'd be more inclined to be negative about it. I appreciate that if we had another defenceman in we'd be in a stronger position for games like this, but it didn't sound earlier like we were particularly poor in the game. In a sense Yotes yes. Even though I accept the reality may be different any team & it's fans who have aspirations to win titles and trophy's should have that level of expectation & desire. Otherwise the only item adorning our trophy cabinet at the end of the season will be a framed, highly polished, picture of G.M's Great Aunt Maud There's a sense of apathy at Management level which, whilst not intended as a personal slant on your good self in my previous post, I felt was reflected in your comment in saying "It's hardly the first (or last) time we've lost in Cardiff is it?". The emphasis being on 'or last'. It's as if our level of expectancy as supporters should be a decent run to get our hopes up, only for them to be shattered due to mismanagement of injuries and replacements. As many on here pointed out months ago at the start of the season Peckham was not replaced, we started an import short (intended as stated by Corey) which together with the lack of adequate cover for injuries has now seemingly defined the rest of our season as 'also rans' in as far as the title is concerned. Granted we appeared to have put in a decent effort tonight & my beef is not with the players as such. The D are having to put in extra shifts leading to tiredness & errors, Mosey has been our best player for weeks & skates his socks off. I would imagine they are as equally frustrated when they see other sides bringing in cover or even strengthening on what they have already. That said as noble as they are in trying & as much as we love them for it, "playing reasonably well with a few mistakes" is not going to reap much reward other than a pat on the back for effort & I feel for them because they deserve better support from above in giving us the best chance of winning some silverware. In many ways I agree Gawd and it's a good post, I just think we need to temper our expectations to the game we're playing. If we'd just lost away to Edinburgh (again) or Coventry (again) or Dundee (again) or Fife (again) I'd be pretty steamed, but while I wanted to win tonight, I knew it was always one that could've gone either way and it did, and reports suggest we didn't fail to show up, so should this really be the straw that breaks the camel's back? Now if we lose tomorrow... I probably am pretty apathetic about it though, early promise seemingly going to pot, seen it all before.
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