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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 11, 2015 12:58:38 GMT
The rubbish wrote around here gets worse. You had the same number of players as we had. You were nothing short. Janssen is a deterent purely because he's dirty and hits late (when he times it properly). Nobodies scared of him, the last time him and fitzy met he got fed his breakfast. As would a lot of big guys in the league. Once you have all your players back it will make you 3 or 4 deeper than anyone in the league and I'd expect you to be stronger for that alone. If not, then words need to be had with the management. just gonna say all your d men were looking over there shoulders when janssen was out there
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Post by wgray on Oct 11, 2015 13:01:44 GMT
The rubbish wrote around here gets worse. You had the same number of players as we had. You were nothing short. Janssen is a deterent purely because he's dirty and hits late (when he times it properly). Nobodies scared of him, the last time him and fitzy met he got fed his breakfast. As would a lot of big guys in the league. Once you have all your players back it will make you 3 or 4 deeper than anyone in the league and I'd expect you to be stronger for that alone. If not, then words need to be had with the management. at what point last night did Janssen do anything remotely dirty?
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Post by Pies on Oct 11, 2015 13:03:28 GMT
The rubbish wrote around here gets worse. You had the same number of players as we had. You were nothing short. Janssen is a deterent purely because he's dirty and hits late (when he times it properly). Nobodies scared of him, the last time him and fitzy met he got fed his breakfast. As would a lot of big guys in the league. Once you have all your players back it will make you 3 or 4 deeper than anyone in the league and I'd expect you to be stronger for that alone. If not, then words need to be had with the management. Firstly, you don't like the "rubbish" wrote here, then please feel free to post elsewhere. Secondly, when you have players not icing on that are signed on your roster, then yes you are short benched. Doesn't matter if you have 12 players or 22. Thirdly, I saw o'connor cough up the luck at least twice when Janssen was on the ice. He will be the first to admit it wasn't his best game. But he hasn't laid a dirty hit whilst here or hit late. Fitzgerald beat him once a couple of years ago - means nothing now. Guess what - we beat you guys and you beat us guys but when it comes down to it, it only matters what happens on the night. Congrats on your win - enjoy. There's plenty more games to go and the steelers are a good team but last night showed that it's going to be a tough league for anyone to win
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 13:10:04 GMT
Were you other three posts as good as this one?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 11, 2015 14:33:53 GMT
The rubbish wrote around here gets worse. You had the same number of players as we had. You were nothing short. Janssen is a deterent purely because he's dirty and hits late (when he times it properly). Nobodies scared of him, the last time him and fitzy met he got fed his breakfast. As would a lot of big guys in the league. Once you have all your players back it will make you 3 or 4 deeper than anyone in the league and I'd expect you to be stronger for that alone. If not, then words need to be had with the management. @knob
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Post by Ghost on Oct 11, 2015 14:43:17 GMT
The rubbish wrote around here gets worse. You had the same number of players as we had. You were nothing short. Janssen is a deterent purely because he's dirty and hits late (when he times it properly). Nobodies scared of him, the last time him and fitzy met he got fed his breakfast. As would a lot of big guys in the league. Once you have all your players back it will make you 3 or 4 deeper than anyone in the league and I'd expect you to be stronger for that alone. If not, then words need to be had with the management. Speaking of dirty, what were your thoughts on Duco's elbow?
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Post by ginger on Oct 11, 2015 15:59:43 GMT
First of all, a good game between 2 evenly matched sides. You are easily the best team I've seen at the Motorpoint this year and I think you will be in the mix for trophies this year. Schultz and Bohmbach look good and your D is definitely the best I've seen from you for a while. Wiikman is a great NM as well - him and Plante are definitely the best 2 I've seen so far.
Now - the Mosey penalty. From where I was sat, Mosey lined him up but O'Connor turned before Mosey hit him, and he went through O'Connor's numbers and planted him face first in to the boards. Whether the player turns just before being hit, or a long time before, it's a boarding call if you go through the numbers. I'm sure I'd probably be bemoaning the call if it was on us - it's incredibly difficult to pull out of a hit once committed - but it wouldn't change the fact that the rule was applied correctly. I actually thought Kolnik's hit on Roy was worse (for which Roy got called - rightly - for retaliation).
I didn't see the Duco elbow (was concentrating on the puck and I think it happened just behind the play) - I'll wait for the highlights (if it's shown) before making a comment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 16:37:14 GMT
Note for Magicman.... See post above from ginger for how to debate on a rivals forum.
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Post by Ghost on Oct 11, 2015 16:38:58 GMT
First of all, a good game between 2 evenly matched sides. You are easily the best team I've seen at the Motorpoint this year and I think you will be in the mix for trophies this year. Schultz and Bohmbach look good and your D is definitely the best I've seen from you for a while. Wiikman is a great NM as well - him and Plante are definitely the best 2 I've seen so far. Now - the Mosey penalty. From where I was sat, Mosey lined him up but O'Connor turned before Mosey hit him, and he went through O'Connor's numbers and planted him face first in to the boards. Whether the player turns just before being hit, or a long time before, it's a boarding call if you go through the numbers. I'm sure I'd probably be bemoaning the call if it was on us - it's incredibly difficult to pull out of a hit once committed - but it wouldn't change the fact that the rule was applied correctly. I actually thought Kolnik's hit on Roy was worse (for which Roy got called - rightly - for retaliation). I didn't see the Duco elbow (was concentrating on the puck and I think it happened just behind the play) - I'll wait for the highlights (if it's shown) before making a comment. Is your surname Wenger by any chance?
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Post by ginger on Oct 11, 2015 17:36:43 GMT
Is your surname Wenger by any chance? I wish - might be earning a few quid more!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 11, 2015 17:50:05 GMT
Not usually one to moan about the officiating but tonight was the worst performance by a ref I have seen in years.
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Post by dgardner on Oct 11, 2015 20:21:37 GMT
Sorry Pidge but that is totally wrong. I never expected him to be gooning it up. But, after weeks of reading and listening to the hype, he was nothing like he has been made out to be. He hits hard, he's full of energy and he's clearly a character and the league is better with him in it. But, he isn't the hardest hitter I've ever seen, Salters hits just as hard, if not harder. He missed far more hits than he connected with. His best friend last night was the arena boards. Our players were not intimidated by him, they weren't always looking over their shoulder. He offered absolutely nothing as an offensive threat. That's why I was disappointed. He's been made out to be like this machine of a player, he just wasn't. Just my opinion on one game, he may prove me wrong over the rest of the games we play you, but last night he just wasn't great. no salters doesn't you just wait until he catches one of your guys salters can hit but relies too much on his size and speed to check guys, whereas cam is just a great hitter
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 11, 2015 20:25:13 GMT
no salters doesn't you just wait until he catches one of your guys salters can hit but relies too much on his size and speed to check guys, whereas cam is just a great hitter yeah I know he can hit and hit hard but not as hard as janssen
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Post by dgardner on Oct 11, 2015 20:31:43 GMT
salters can hit but relies too much on his size and speed to check guys, whereas cam is just a great hitter yeah I know he can hit and hit hard but not as hard as janssen yeah thats what i was saying salters hits due to his size and speed, but cam times hits to perfection and even when he doesnt connect it sends a message, he will always have defenders looking over his shoulder cause he hits hard and often, very rarely does he not hit on a shift which is great.
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 11, 2015 20:43:41 GMT
yeah I know he can hit and hit hard but not as hard as janssen yeah thats what i was saying salters hits due to his size and speed, but cam times hits to perfection and even when he doesnt connect it sends a message, he will always have defenders looking over his shoulder cause he hits hard and often, very rarely does he not hit on a shift which is great. yeah and we had players last year like Chris Lawrence who came in and said he was a power forward like salters and he rarely ever hit anyone
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 20:48:44 GMT
Are Power Forwards necessarily hitters?
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 11, 2015 21:23:09 GMT
Are Power Forwards necessarily hitters? no but there physical and they are as pose to use there strength to get to the net which he didn't do
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 21:38:56 GMT
I agree with that, yes.
They don't have to hit anyone though. Not their defined role.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 12, 2015 0:05:24 GMT
There's a vid of Mosey's hit on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/EIHLFilms/videos/179775252360634), looks shoulder to shoulder to me. Maybe still boarding given the location of the hit, but for me it's harsh and O'Connor sells it.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 12, 2015 6:16:16 GMT
There's a vid of Mosey's hit on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/EIHLFilms/videos/179775252360634), looks shoulder to shoulder to me. Maybe still boarding given the location of the hit, but for me it's harsh and O'Connor sells it. To be fair Fox used to as well.
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Post by marksteeler on Oct 12, 2015 8:11:54 GMT
I had a great view of both the Betteridge incident and Oconnor incident as I sit behind the goal.
The betteridge incident. I don't know what caused it but betteridge skated over to duco long after the puck had gone and didn't look like stopping if duco hadn't have lifted his elbow it would have been a blindside hit. Now the Mosey incident. There was nothing wrong with it. The ref called the outcome rather than the hit. Oconnor bottled it near the boards and went to go shoulder to shoulder with mosey but mosey was just too strong but Oconnor did definitely go face first to the plexi and was already swelling up.
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Post by Ian on Oct 12, 2015 10:14:56 GMT
Watched the webcast Saturday night. Impressed with the presentation overall, commentary wasn't too badly biased (nowhere near as biased as I'd be commentating on a Panthers game!), camera work was good, replays of important incidents and content pre-game and during intervals (interviews, highlights of previous games etc.), excellent value all in all. Had no problems with the feed (buffered only a couple of times for a few seconds), using wifi on my BT Fibre connection and Firefox browser on laptop.
As for the game, it was a weird one. Both teams seemed caught between the fact it was a dead rubber cup game the night before they had league matches and the need to put on a show and lay down a marker in the season's first instalment of the biggest rivalry in the known universe ever. As a result it was tight all the way through without ever having the crackling intensity of Panthers/Steelers games when there is really something at stake. The teams were very well-matched I thought and it bodes well for a tightly fought series over the rest of the year. I was impressed with Sheffield's forecheck throughout - Swindlehurst made a careless mistake for their first goal but he and all our D-men were being put under pressure by excellent forechecking throughout the game so the odd rushed or careless pass is what happens. Also thought Steelers had a lot of speed in their transition play. On the other hand, I felt their defence was vulnerable and there were numerous instances where Panthers players were able to stickhandle themselves into positions to shoot or create a chance without being seriously challenged. However on most of those occasions they were rescued by Plante who looks really good. Made excellent saves and hardly gave out a rebound all game.
On the Panthers side, we played well in bursts. Probably should have been 2 or 3 up by the time Sheffield got on the board as we came out of the blocks really strongly. There didn't seem to be as much cohesion going forward but we were playing a much stronger opposition than in our recent very fluent performances. I was impressed with MacMillan and thought Clarke also worked very hard, especially on more defensive play in a game where he didn't have much chance to show his attacking threat. We looked solid at the back again and Wiikman was excellent. Conceding only a silly individual giveaway and a rebound on a 3 on 5 on the road against a team that has been racking up the goals is a very promising sign. We just need to keep up the pressure going forward for a full 60 minutes.
Hard to draw too many conclusions but I was not overly disappointed with the performance and certainly I think we are capable of beating Steelers on other occasions.
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Post by Warren on Oct 12, 2015 11:42:55 GMT
I had a great view of both the Betteridge incident and Oconnor incident as I sit behind the goal. The betteridge incident. I don't know what caused it but betteridge skated over to duco long after the puck had gone and didn't look like stopping if duco hadn't have lifted his elbow it would have been a blindside hit. If he saw it coming and did something about it, how can it be a blindside hit?
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Oct 12, 2015 12:51:17 GMT
Wasted opportunities for both teams to put there back up goalies through there paces. Could of split the honours. Ah well, it's the rivalry over development I guess. Rivalry over development?! Dan Green is 33. He's hardly at the development stage of his career!!
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 12, 2015 13:15:59 GMT
I had a great view of both the Betteridge incident and Oconnor incident as I sit behind the goal. The betteridge incident. I don't know what caused it but betteridge skated over to duco long after the puck had gone and didn't look like stopping if duco hadn't have lifted his elbow it would have been a blindside hit. If he saw it coming and did something about it, how can it be a blindside hit? From what I saw Duco elbowed Ollie and then chased him over the ice, two options for Ollie, let Duco have another go at injuring him or stand up to him. Cheap shot by Duco, brave response by Ollie.
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