OwenB
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Post by OwenB on Mar 3, 2014 11:03:51 GMT
I understand the people on twitter who are saying that they shouldn't put that on twitter, but if like iOptix have said, the steelers hve ignored everything including a letter from solicitors what else is there to do? At least they know they use twitter It seems to me that the only people saying that have an interest in Sheffield. I was one of the first to retweet that last night - and was completely comfortable doing so having spoken to iOptix about the lengths they've gone to get get their money already. I've used twitter to get companies to do things before when they've let me down - no difference here for me. And for the record, I'd be the same if it were any team in the Elite League at fault, including Nottingham. Owen
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Post by andrew1972 on Mar 3, 2014 11:48:24 GMT
I understand the people on twitter who are saying that they shouldn't put that on twitter, but if like iOptix have said, the steelers hve ignored everything including a letter from solicitors what else is there to do? At least they know they use twitter It seems to me that the only people saying that have an interest in Sheffield. I was one of the first to retweet that last night - and was completely comfortable doing so having spoken to iOptix about the lengths they've gone to get get their money already. I've used twitter to get companies to do things before when they've let me down - no difference here for me. And for the record, I'd be the same if it were any team in the Elite League at fault, including Nottingham. Owen Have you spoken to Sheffield to get their side of the story though Owen? Using twitter for these scenarios is plainly unprofessional. If they haven't had a response to a solicitors letter then the next course of action is the courts. Not a childish publicity stunt on twitter. Maybe I'll pass this way of doing things on to my boss, we have a number of companies owing us money and have done for well over 6 months and sums that would dwarf anything they have outstanding. Great idea, instead of the courts, we'll use twitter, I'd get laughed out of his office.
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Terry Kurtenbach
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Post by 5+game on Mar 3, 2014 12:00:53 GMT
I understand the people on twitter who are saying that they shouldn't put that on twitter, but if like iOptix have said, the steelers hve ignored everything including a letter from solicitors what else is there to do? At least they know they use twitter It seems to me that the only people saying that have an interest in Sheffield. I was one of the first to retweet that last night - and was completely comfortable doing so having spoken to iOptix about the lengths they've gone to get get their money already. I've used twitter to get companies to do things before when they've let me down - no difference here for me. And for the record, I'd be the same if it were any team in the Elite League at fault, including Nottingham. Owen I don't think I was far behind you re-tweeting or commenting on it. Having a construction company that is constantly trying to balance cash flow because of people not paying on time for no reason I fully understand why ioptics have done what they have done and I have no time for bad payers. Maybe if the people who are complaining about ioptics had their own businesses and realised that iop will have had to pay out for the items provided to the steelers and will be out of pocket until they are paid maybe they would think again about complaining. Businesses in this country are going bust because of bad debts and there is no need for a lot of it. Try going in Tesco this weekend filling your trolley and walking out without paying and see how far you get because this is technically what the steelers have done.
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Post by panthertom93 on Mar 3, 2014 12:10:38 GMT
I re-tweeted it too. However a bit later on I saw this article m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20782257 which states that companies cannot tarnish the names and or reputaions of companies via twitter. This could get interesting...
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Terry Kurtenbach
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Post by 5+game on Mar 3, 2014 12:34:19 GMT
I re-tweeted it too. However a bit later on I saw this article m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20782257 which states that companies cannot tarnish the names and or reputaions of companies via twitter. This could get interesting... no But a company can send another bust by not paying its bills.
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Post by Shorty on Mar 3, 2014 12:39:24 GMT
Businesses should carry out due diligence if they are offering a line of credit to a customer. If they do not, then they are just creating a future problem.
There are appropriate avenues to take when recovering unpaid debt, and I don't think social media is really the right way to go about it.
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Post by joesteeler on Mar 3, 2014 12:42:58 GMT
I re-tweeted it too. However a bit later on I saw this article m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20782257 which states that companies cannot tarnish the names and or reputaions of companies via twitter. This could get interesting... no But a company can send another bust by not paying its bills. That takes months. Even years. And you need more than 1 company to put in a CCJ. I sympathies with this company. I work in the construction industry and trying to get paid from contractors is an absolute ball ache and so frustrating at times. They shouldn't have gone to twitter though. As someone posted, a law came in which could see them in a bit of trouble.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 3, 2014 12:53:16 GMT
Lessons from Sheffield on Twitter lol Don't they have their own Twitter expert in Simms? lol
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Post by BlogFromBlock15! on Mar 3, 2014 12:59:16 GMT
no But a company can send another bust by not paying its bills. That takes months. Even years. And you need more than 1 company to put in a CCJ. I sympathies with this company. I work in the construction industry and trying to get paid from contractors is an absolute ball ache and so frustrating at times. They shouldn't have gone to twitter though. As someone posted, a law came in which could see them in a bit of trouble. No it doesn't, it requires an outstanding debt of £750 which you can prove and a court hearing, takes a couple of months at most....
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Post by texpef on Mar 3, 2014 13:45:18 GMT
Also there is no problem with the "tweet" if its true and i have no idea if it is or not... also from the same website posted above..
The best defence is if you can prove the contents of the tweet are true.
You could also claim it was "fair comment" - your honestly held opinion on established facts. Another possible defence is to claim you were covered by privilege, if it was something said in Parliament or in court, or that it was an example of "innocent dissemination" - you did not know you had published the comment (it might have been an automatic system).
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Post by texpef on Mar 3, 2014 13:46:15 GMT
Any particular reason this does not appear on steeltalk?...
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 3, 2014 13:54:28 GMT
Any particular reason this does not appear on steeltalk?... Its either denial or 'business as usual'
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Post by joesteeler on Mar 3, 2014 14:00:16 GMT
Probably because fans don't want to get involved in the politics.
Did Panthers have a CCJ because they took months to pay a water bill?
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Post by ted logan on Mar 3, 2014 15:15:06 GMT
It was a huge Severn Trent bill though - they had to mix a vast amount of water with some 'brasso' type polish to shine all the trophies.
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 3, 2014 15:21:59 GMT
It was a huge Severn Trent bill though - they had to mix a vast amount of water with some 'brasso' type polish to shine all the trophies.
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Post by PantherG on Mar 3, 2014 16:10:29 GMT
I've done the sums Dave and I'm not ignoring anything. They do have to pay the arena a lump sum up front as a guarantee,around 150k I believe it is,but they drag in 600k worth of up front season ticket money,that's 2000 ish at say around 300 quid. The arena costs 12k a game so around 400k a season including the up front money. Player wages around 14k a week so again another 450k ish a season. Add flights,housing,insurance,equipment,away travel,office rent and wagesetc etc etc and you struggle to see how it can cost them more than about £1.2 million in costs yet they are turning over well in excess of £2 million easily. Believe me,they get so much free,even the pizzas the players eat after a game are free from the pizza sponsors,the gym is virgin active another sponsor,when foreign teams come over its premier inn rooms for them another sponsor,sponsor a game it will cost you £1500,sponsor a player it will cost you £300,buy a programme £3,how about a 50/50 ticket,how many shirt auctions do they have ? Enough said I think. The Arena costs £15k per game I am told.
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Post by ted logan on Mar 6, 2014 10:00:51 GMT
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Post by andrew1972 on Mar 7, 2014 0:41:06 GMT
I re-tweeted it too. However a bit later on I saw this article m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20782257 which states that companies cannot tarnish the names and or reputaions of companies via twitter. This could get interesting... no But a company can send another bust by not paying its bills. From reading a few, let's say "poor" reviews of this company on the net, It didn't take long to find people complaining they had paid for goods from them and then not received the said items. Seems there's quite a number of people saying they don't return emails or calls when chasing their purchased items. Possibly ioptix ought to practice what they preach. Maybe these people would be better taking to Twitter and "tarnishing" the "good" name of ioptix..........
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Terry Kurtenbach
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Post by 5+game on Mar 7, 2014 8:46:50 GMT
no But a company can send another bust by not paying its bills. From reading a few, let's say "poor" reviews of this company on the net, It didn't take long to find people complaining they had paid for goods from them and then not received the said items. Seems there's quite a number of people saying they don't return emails or calls when chasing their purchased items. Possibly ioptix ought to practice what they preach. Maybe these people would be better taking to Twitter and "tarnishing" the "good" name of ioptix.......... That is fine if ioptix arnt producing the good then I have no problem with that. There is no excuse for bad customer care and no excuse for bad payment either. Maybe ioptix wasn't able to send the said items out to customers because there cash flow had been screwed by bad paying customers. Either way I don't really care, just that I work in an industry renowned for bad payers and it really grinds my gears when someone doesn't pay their bills.
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 7, 2014 9:05:00 GMT
More fool anyone who does anything for the Sheffield Steelers Mark 17 or however many it is without getting paid up front.....
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