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Post by pantherdman on Mar 2, 2014 2:05:04 GMT
Kwall 10/10 The rest garbage, and garbage tactics. Won't win anything defending like school kids. I was almost cheering Sheffield at the end just to show up our inept defensive tactics.
Who ever said Henley is a waste if space, shame on you. We needed gloves dropped tonight and no one showed up. Spencer goading the fans on our ice and no response=criminal.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Mar 2, 2014 6:38:08 GMT
Kalus was brilliant. We need to try and keep hold of him for next season! Yep I think it has been said- Unfortunately I think we will face stiff cometition from bigger leagues.
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Post by pman on Mar 2, 2014 8:13:41 GMT
IMO whether it's a big clean hit mid ice or a dirty one, someone should step up and lay a statement down basically saying you can't do that in our rink! But then you have a system of a game constantly being stalled as hits are being 'avenged'. A clean hit doesn't deserve that. You respond by turning up your aggression generally. Hit back and fight for every puck hard. That's how it works in the Olympics. I don't want fights every 5 minutes. It cheapens the act. A fight should be a last resort and he something you can get behind for the right reasons, eg: a DIRTY hit! It does deserve it when your player has been hurt! And especially with all the injuries we've had! And sorry but we are not in the Olympics we are able to drop the gloves! If you can remember lepines mid ice checks (some clean, some dirty granted)? But more often than not They all resorted in the other team dropping the gloves which is the right thing to do as you are then showing intent and not being bullied, plus not losing your own momentum! You see it all over in all hockey leagues and even in the big time(NHL) which I watch all the time, player gets stepped up big whether dirty or clean and the team go at the person straight away. It's called being a team and looking after your own players. Sorry but I think we are going to have to agree to disagree here!
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Post by pman on Mar 2, 2014 8:16:47 GMT
Kwall 10/10 The rest garbage, and garbage tactics. Won't win anything defending like school kids. I was almost cheering Sheffield at the end just to show up our inept defensive tactics. Who ever said Henley is a waste if space, shame on you. We needed gloves dropped tonight and no one showed up. Spencer goading the fans on our ice and no response=criminal. Don't think the Defensive tactics are to blame, how about forwards keeping the puck and putting it on the net? (30 shots down)! And personally our D played well, the odd few silly passes but IMO forwards were to blame in the game. And totally agree with someone needing to drop the gloves especially after the fata hit on jacina IMO
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Post by nate24 on Mar 2, 2014 8:34:46 GMT
But then you have a system of a game constantly being stalled as hits are being 'avenged'. A clean hit doesn't deserve that. You respond by turning up your aggression generally. Hit back and fight for every puck hard. That's how it works in the Olympics. I don't want fights every 5 minutes. It cheapens the act. A fight should be a last resort and he something you can get behind for the right reasons, eg: a DIRTY hit! It does deserve it when your player has been hurt! And especially with all the injuries we've had! And sorry but we are not in the Olympics we are able to drop the gloves! If you can remember lepines mid ice checks (some clean, some dirty granted)? But more often than not They all resorted in the other team dropping the gloves which is the right thing to do as you are then showing intent and not being bullied, plus not losing your own momentum! You see it all over in all hockey leagues and even in the big time(NHL) which I watch all the time, player gets stepped up big whether dirty or clean and the team go at the person straight away. It's called being a team and looking after your own players. Sorry but I think we are going to have to agree to disagree here! There is no problem into agreeing to disagree but you can't introduce new concepts to the argument that change the original discussion as a response. If your player is hurt of course you stand up but if you look at the majority of hits that result in injury they are dirty and when it is clean the attention often turns to getting the guy off the ice safely. I also watch the a lot of NHL and have done since GCL became available to UK subscribers. Just because it happens in the NHL doesn't make it right. A player who plays hard and hits should not have to learn to fight because that's the response. I love big hits, it's an awesome part of the game. I just don't enjoy having to stop for a roughing/ fighting call that often puts you on the penalty kill because the team that got hit started it. If it deserved a fight the hit would of deserved a penalty in the first place thus avoiding the fight. Fighting to me is for me in the modern age is a sign the ref has lost control of the game. Their are exceptions and if it's two willing guys who've agreed to go to boost the team then go for it. If it's a response to a guy repeatedly taking liberties, penalised or unpenalised, then go for it as the time in the box obviously isn't working. There are other reasons just not for clean, hard play! We will agree to disagree just don't change the parameters of the argument first.
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Post by Dan on Mar 2, 2014 11:25:50 GMT
A shambolic, lazy, gutless performance borne out of disinterest. We went 2-0 up and barely put a shift in for the remainder of the game. They're professionals and we were paying customers, you expect better. Good job they've lost the league already, it'd be worse if that meant anything.
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Post by panthers4ever on Mar 2, 2014 11:45:22 GMT
K wall fantastic the rest garbage
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Post by ted logan on Mar 2, 2014 11:52:06 GMT
A shambolic, lazy, gutless performance borne out of disinterest. We went 2-0 up and barely put a shift in for the remainder of the game. They're professionals and we were paying customers, you expect better. Exactly. What happened to professional pride? Out of the window last night completely. Possibly the first (and hopefully the last) time that I've applauded the Steelers off and jeered our team off. If they're only going to put effort in for 10 minutes, how about only charging the fans for 10 minutes? Take it out of the players wages. They sure as hell didn't earn their money last night. Apart from k-wall.
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Post by panthertom93 on Mar 2, 2014 12:07:54 GMT
Kalus really REALLY hit a nerve with me. 8 seconds to go in overtime, the puck is loose in the Steelers zone and he just gently skates back to the bench. No effort or panic whatsoever. That really summed it up. New lines are fine but effort had gone after the Steelers timeout
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Post by iginla on Mar 2, 2014 12:17:17 GMT
Exactly Ted.
Almost 7000 fans turn up (thats around £100,000 worth of tickets) and apart from Kwall they play like they couldn't give a damn.
Tactically,for a home game and especially a Steelers home game it was appalling,no attacking desire whatsoever,no entertainment and very little effort.
Then Neilson trots out with the "short of bodies crap",cobblers both teams had 17 players,the difference was that one team came to play and the HOME team took their own fans for what we are......MUGS !!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 2, 2014 12:18:54 GMT
Exactly Ted. Almost 7000 fans turn up (thats around £100,000 worth of tickets) and apart from Kwall they play like they couldn't give a damn. Tactically,for a home game and especially a Steelers home game it was appalling,no attacking desire whatsoever,no entertainment and very little effort. Then Neilson trots out with the "short of bodies crap",cobblers both teams had 17 players,the difference was that one team came to play and the HOME team took their own fans for what we are......MUGS !!!!!!!!!!! But at least we are scraping a profit...
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Post by iginla on Mar 2, 2014 12:24:18 GMT
Exactly Fs.
And at the end of the day those MUGS will be there next game and that's the only thing the management care about !
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Post by ted logan on Mar 2, 2014 12:33:24 GMT
Exactly Fs. And at the end of the day those MUGS will be there next game and that's the only thing the management care about ! I pay out well over £500 for mine and Logan Jnr's Season Tickets. It's a Season Ticket, not a 'we'll stop trying once we can't win the league' ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 12:36:37 GMT
What? He's not spent the money? Have you seen how many short notice signing a he's had to find? He's spent about the same and been unlucky on the injury front. Player turnover this year has been ridiculous due to injuries. The quality players are trying to make the major euro leagues. We are sometimes a stepping stone. Your forum name Tessier would suggest you know that more than most when he split for Switzerland and we ended up with Ceman. The players are simply not available at times. Yes he has made short notice signings, but have any of these been top class star players that we really need? I don't think they were. Decent yes, but not top drawer. There seems to be a belief amongst some that there is a giant hockey player supermarket somewhere, full of star players of kind which you aspire to see, sitting on the shelves waiting for Neilson and Mr Black to arrive and go to the ‘hard-working two-way forward’ or ‘big tough defenseman’ aisles, put them in their cart and bring them back to Nottingham. Fact is that recruiting during a season is risky. You are more likely to end up with players disaffected with their current teams, cast-offs, or players who won’t/can’t fit in with team ethos, here or at their previous club(s). It is also a fact that, much as I enjoy watching Elite League hockey, the game in this country is for the most part a stepping stone for players from North America looking to further their career in the higher paying leagues in Europe, a stepping stone for players nearing the end of their careers between those European leagues and retirement back home, or just another stop for players who seem unable to settle anywhere for more than a season. As Neilson said in a recent interview, any new player needs 4-6 weeks to learn a team’s systems and, if they come from North America, get used to the bigger ice we have here. I think we’ve got players playing hurt (although I appreciate this is usually the case on most teams) and players still feeling their way back after injury. The remaining players who have been relatively injury-free must be exhausted. I admire the club for their efforts in getting replacement players in. Above all I feel sorry for Neilson and Strachan. We have seen in flashes (Riga, the demolition of Belfast) what this team could have been capable of had it not been decimated by injuries, although it might not have been enough to beat Belfast, who by any standards have had a remarkable absence of injury and suspension this season. It’s a long time since I felt this way, but right now I just want to get this season over and done with, hopefully winning something in the process.
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Post by pantherjack on Mar 2, 2014 12:55:20 GMT
I haven't gone to the last few league games as I've suspected they're all on cruise control now except for the Cc and Playoffs.
Was really surprised though when Francis admitted publicly in the Post this week that he's not bothered either, but will try and be a 'pro' about it, and I think it's a fair assumption that's the general feeling in the dressing room for the rest of the league season. Did this interview swerve pass by the GM spin machine!
You have to weigh up how you feel about these things, if there's nothing to play for, except for some games at the end of the season, should you reserve energy/save injuries and look at the long game, or provide guaranteed entertainment/commitment for the paying fans every game. I'm not sure you can have both at this level.
Francis' honesty is refreshing but will no doubt annoy some paying fans, but he's just reflecting what most fans were probably thinking was going on. But to see it in print obviously highlights the issue and confirms the players mentality at this stage in a season.
You might of guessed that I'll be saving my money and not going to any more league games this season.
It's not that I'm only prepared to go when we're winning/in with a chance, but instead I don't mind paying money if they don't mind at least putting in the effort.
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Post by iginla on Mar 2, 2014 13:18:12 GMT
How much bigger does it have to be for them to "get motivated" ?
If they can't do it in front of 7000 fans AT HOME against the Steelers then there's not a lot of hope left is there.
If they want to take a night off......do it in front of 900 in Dundee,we pay money to see a team perform to the best of its ability,not to toss it off !
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Post by iginla on Mar 2, 2014 13:21:07 GMT
Stef.
Which supermarket did Sandrock,Elfring,Szwez,Whitecotton and Higgins come from then ?
Was it a top secret one that only the Giants know about !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 2, 2014 13:29:49 GMT
Why are we trailing new tactics and new line at this point in the season? Baffling. It would be interesting to find out how we recruit players, are they even scouted?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 2, 2014 13:36:39 GMT
Why are we trailing new tactics and new line at this point in the season? Baffling. It would be interesting to find out how we recruit players, are they even scouted? No apparently there is a world shortage.
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 2, 2014 15:12:26 GMT
Some people need to realise that when recruiting players there are many factors why a player may or may not sign for us.
For example, some may not want to leave home for career or personal reasons, they may not want to come to the uk at all based on former team mates experiences. Some may have got a better offer elsewhere that overvalues that player. They may want to play alongside particular team mates or indeed NOT play on the same team as someone.
Fact is this season we have had 20+ imports and people STILL claim our owner doesnt invest! Another fact is thatthe world class players we are crying out for are rarely available to us mid season.
Can anyone on here that makes these criticisms actually name ONE player who is available who they know will make a difference and who wants to come here?
The inconvenient truth is putting together a hockey team is more complex than a football manager game.You cant just click a name, offer a salary and put the player in the team that weekend.
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Post by texpef on Mar 2, 2014 15:50:52 GMT
Sorry PDave but I have to come back on some of your points here:-
Firstly those "many" factors you are talking about, they are the same for any and all clubs especially in our league. Generally, though these players are professional and will follow the money, if any one club offers enough apart from the odd exception (Huntie and Sheffield spring to mind) then that club will get their signature. If say panthers value Rawlyk more than Dundee then expect to see him at Nottingham that simple..
Panthers may have signed 20 imports this season but how many times had we had fit players sat out in the stands? Unless I am very much mistaken all teams should carry import insurance so its the insurance paying the injured players wages not the panthers and not NB.
As for player availability well to name two who we know would have made a difference Ling (who has come back to Europe) and Graham who has a team now and I am pretty sure a lot of the players signed have made a big impact such as Kurtz (sp?) in Cardiff for example. IF the clubs search hard enough you don't need a "player supermarket" you just need to have better scouting and paying the going rate not try to get players in on the cheap...(Soaari) Oh and no one knows how this hockey club runs but it is obviously VERY profitable...
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 2, 2014 16:05:46 GMT
Sorry PDave but I have to come back on some of your points here:- Firstly those "many" factors you are talking about, they are the same for any and all clubs especially in our league. Generally, though these players are professional and will follow the money, if any one club offers enough apart from the odd exception (Huntie and Sheffield spring to mind) then that club will get their signature. If say panthers value Rawlyk more than Dundee then expect to see him at Nottingham that simple.. Panthers may have signed 20 imports this season but how many times had we had fit players sat out in the stands? Unless I am very much mistaken all teams should carry import insurance so its the insurance paying the injured players wages not the panthers and not NB. As for player availability well to name two who we know would have made a difference Ling (who has come back to Europe) and Graham who has a team now and I am pretty sure a lot of the players signed have made a big impact such as Kurtz (sp?) in Cardiff for example. IF the clubs search hard enough you don't need a "player supermarket" you just need to have better scouting and paying the going rate not try to get players in on the cheap...(Soaari) Oh and no one knows how this hockey club runs but it is obviously VERY profitable... Would Ling have made the difference though? Also Bruce Graham wasnt available, he chose to stay at home for personal reasons then signed for a team at home. I stand by my opinion that we dont somehow have a divine right to the best players. Sure some teams stumble across gems such as Rawlyk and Kurka. I seem to remember at the start of the season many on here of the opinion Belfast would struggle this year and that Chris Higgins was a poor signing. How many people would take Higgins on our team now? My point was that its not as clear cut as some would like to believe to re-enforce their black/moran bashing agenda. I stand by my opinion. Also on the profits thing. Not all that many years ago (6 years) someone within the league claimed the Panthers were making in the region if 20k per year. Now Im not saying this person is right or wrong but its hardly the millions that some on here who are "in the know" guess at is it?
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Post by texpef on Mar 2, 2014 16:08:30 GMT
20K per game perhaps...
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 2, 2014 16:11:46 GMT
20K per game perhaps... Haha yes. I agree that seems awfully low and I dont think for one minute it is correct now. I am sure the Panthers make a healthy profit but that doesnt automatically mean that will go to pay for new players.
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 2, 2014 16:21:38 GMT
...as for the game.
Having slept on it, I am still fuming. Out fought, out shot, out passion-ed.
Even at 2-0 up the Steelers were dominant, perhaps we thought they would just roll over for us? Not anymore,Adams has instilled belief on his new team and it showed in spades.
Didnt hang around at the end but apparently plenty of happy clapping was going on. "they tried their best didnt they, poor guys"
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