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Post by iginla on Mar 2, 2014 16:31:11 GMT
I'd say you weren't far off there at 20k per game Tex from doing my own sums.
What annoys me,is that we the fans do our bit every game by turning up and paying our money,our club makes a lot of money,anybody with a business brain knows that.
We make this club what it is,our loyalty is what makes the money and in my opinion that does give us a divine right to have the best team. Without us the loyal fans this club would be an also ran and Panthers should remember that.
No,we are not going to secure every quality player,but if a deal comes down to money then Panthers should always win that battle hands down,we don't though.
Sorry if that sounds arrogant buts that's how it is,we could if we wanted sign a team that would blow this league apart every year,but we choose not to. That decision is down to the management,nobody else,and they are short changing their fan base big time every season.
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 2, 2014 16:50:50 GMT
20k income perhaps, 20k profit. No chance. Not with the cost of arena etc.
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Post by ditsy on Mar 2, 2014 17:02:03 GMT
Another distinct lack of effort from most of the panthers, lack of pride.i am a season ticket holder and if, sadly the players can't be bothered to turn up for the remaining games, I a,m not sure I can either.sadly I may well save the money from my playoff ticket!
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Post by panthertom93 on Mar 2, 2014 17:03:20 GMT
To be honest, I'm not turning up to games expecting to see a good win till the CC and PO's. Im going because i enjoy watching the hockey. I'm probably of a minority but I'm glad Corey chose the game against the 2nd place team to try out new lines. So what if we finish 3rd and not 2nd? Every team is just as beatable as each other except Belfast this season. Try out new lines and work on getting everything right for the CC and PO's.
But as I stated earlier, I was annoyed at the effort of some players late on.
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 2, 2014 17:08:44 GMT
To be honest, I'm not turning up to games expecting to see a good win till the CC and PO's. Im going because i enjoy watching the hockey. I'm probably of a minority but I'm glad Corey chose the game against the 2nd place team to try out new lines. So what if we finish 3rd and not 2nd? Every team is just as beatable as each other except Belfast this season. Try out new lines and work on getting everything right for the CC and PO's. But as I stated earlier, I was annoyed at the effort of some players late on. Thats the thing. Being out thought tactically I can cope with, being beaten by a better team is ok. This happens in sport. Being beaten in part due to lack of effort I cannot accept. Fair play to the Steelers, whilst they are still not a great side they just wanted it so much more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 17:52:47 GMT
Stef. Which supermarket did Sandrock,Elfring,Szwez,Whitecotton and Higgins come from then ? Was it a top secret one that only the Giants know about !!!!!!!!!!!! I know Szwez was an in-season signing the first time he came. Not sure about the others. The point I was trying to make was the difficulty of picking up star players during the season, when supply is lower than in the off-season. And yes, look at Higgins. Not played more than about 20 games per season for the last three or four seasons. Hardly any points, but has been great every time I've seen him. I think, however, that one of those seasons was under Adey at Renon, so clearly Adey saw something over and above the stats. And that's the trick.
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Post by iginla on Mar 2, 2014 17:53:08 GMT
Dave.
Did you do maths at school.....you reckon 20k income per game ?
Not a chance,unless everybody is paying 4 quid a ticket.
Panthers will gross at least 50k plus per game,the arena costs 12k per game.
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 2, 2014 18:17:50 GMT
I reckon season ticket and sponsorship income alone wound cover wages for players and staff this season.
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Post by iginla on Mar 2, 2014 18:26:44 GMT
Ticket sales from only 10 games (500k) would easily cover player and staff wages for the season.
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Post by tessier26 on Mar 2, 2014 18:40:17 GMT
Yes he has made short notice signings, but have any of these been top class star players that we really need? I don't think they were. Decent yes, but not top drawer. There seems to be a belief amongst some that there is a giant hockey player supermarket somewhere, full of star players of kind which you aspire to see, sitting on the shelves waiting for Neilson and Mr Black to arrive and go to the ‘hard-working two-way forward’ or ‘big tough defenseman’ aisles, put them in their cart and bring them back to Nottingham. Fact is that recruiting during a season is risky. You are more likely to end up with players disaffected with their current teams, cast-offs, or players who won’t/can’t fit in with team ethos, here or at their previous club(s). It is also a fact that, much as I enjoy watching Elite League hockey, the game in this country is for the most part a stepping stone for players from North America looking to further their career in the higher paying leagues in Europe, a stepping stone for players nearing the end of their careers between those European leagues and retirement back home, or just another stop for players who seem unable to settle anywhere for more than a season. As Neilson said in a recent interview, any new player needs 4-6 weeks to learn a team’s systems and, if they come from North America, get used to the bigger ice we have here. I think we’ve got players playing hurt (although I appreciate this is usually the case on most teams) and players still feeling their way back after injury. The remaining players who have been relatively injury-free must be exhausted. I admire the club for their efforts in getting replacement players in. Above all I feel sorry for Neilson and Strachan. We have seen in flashes (Riga, the demolition of Belfast) what this team could have been capable of had it not been decimated by injuries, although it might not have been enough to beat Belfast, who by any standards have had a remarkable absence of injury and suspension this season. It’s a long time since I felt this way, but right now I just want to get this season over and done with, hopefully winning something in the process. You know its funny Stef, Giants management and coaches always spend the cash and manage to find top class players season after season and look at their track record of success! I don't know, maybe these sort of players just are'nt available to Neilson and Black?
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Post by tessier26 on Mar 2, 2014 18:42:40 GMT
Stef. Which supermarket did Sandrock,Elfring,Szwez,Whitecotton and Higgins come from then ? Was it a top secret one that only the Giants know about !!!!!!!!!!!! Exactly Iginla! Giants always seem to find these quality players every year, why not Panthers? I just think some people don't like a bad word said about the Panthers and are quick to make excuses for the club.
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Post by Mark on Mar 2, 2014 19:30:41 GMT
Not very keen on the brief match report on the official website. We were crap for fifty minutes, that's why we lost.
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 2, 2014 19:37:19 GMT
Dave. Did you do maths at school.....you reckon 20k income per game ? Not a chance,unless everybody is paying 4 quid a ticket. Panthers will gross at least 50k plus per game,the arena costs 12k per game. Yes I did thanks, and at degree level. Try considering ALL of the costs in your sums
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Post by iginla on Mar 2, 2014 20:13:39 GMT
I have Dave and Panthers will make well in excess of 500k profit each season.
I'm still wondering how an average crowd of 5000 only generates your 20k income per game though ?
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 2, 2014 20:20:15 GMT
I have Dave and Panthers will make well in excess of 500k profit each season. I'm still wondering how an average crowd of 5000 only generates your 20k income per game though ? Number of concessions is very high, plus you cant include season ticket holders in your per game calculations. As far as i know the s/t money is used to pay arena rents and off season costs. Also as far as I know the arena takes a cut in every ticket sold.
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Post by iginla on Mar 2, 2014 20:30:37 GMT
Dave.
Concessions/kids etc yes but the average ticket would still easily be probably £11 per head x 5000 = £55,000 per game.
It doesn't matter what season ticket money might be used for early season,the simple facts are you are saying Panthers income is 20k per game......that would work out at only £4-00 per ticket so it is obviously wrong.
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 2, 2014 22:36:10 GMT
Just seen this on twitter @ioptixuk: @steelershockey after your 4 point weekend could you get our invoice paid from September,or at least a reply to emails or tel calls #baddebt @ioptixuk: johnnyfromdonny tried EVERYTHING else, even a letter from our solicitor
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Post by Yotes on Mar 2, 2014 22:43:05 GMT
Just seen this on twitter @ioptixuk: @steelershockey after your 4 point weekend could you get our invoice paid from September,or at least a reply to emails or tel calls #baddebt @ioptixuk: johnnyfromdonny tried EVERYTHING else, even a letter from our solicitor Nothing ever changes.
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Post by BlogFromBlock15! on Mar 2, 2014 22:50:19 GMT
Just seen this on twitter @ioptixuk: @steelershockey after your 4 point weekend could you get our invoice paid from September,or at least a reply to emails or tel calls #baddebt @ioptixuk: johnnyfromdonny tried EVERYTHING else, even a letter from our solicitor Nothing ever changes. Queue the next winding up petition!!
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Post by panthertom93 on Mar 2, 2014 22:58:03 GMT
I understand the people on twitter who are saying that they shouldn't put that on twitter, but if like iOptix have said, the steelers hve ignored everything including a letter from solicitors what else is there to do? At least they know they use twitter
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 2, 2014 23:10:48 GMT
Dave. Concessions/kids etc yes but the average ticket would still easily be probably £11 per head x 5000 = £55,000 per game. It doesn't matter what season ticket money might be used for early season,the simple facts are you are saying Panthers income is 20k per game......that would work out at only £4-00 per ticket so it is obviously wrong. But there arent 5000 non season ticket sales for every game. Whats our average crowd? Less than 5000 isnt it? Also my original point was OVERALL profit, not just ticket sales. There are plenty of other incomes and outgoings. All of which when added up result in a tidy sum, yes, but not the astronomical figures quoted here in previous seasons. I realise theres another thread on this and dont want to hijack this game thread
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Post by iginla on Mar 2, 2014 23:27:10 GMT
Our average crowd last year 2012/13 was 5057.
Just because somebody buys a season ticket you can't suddenly discount them from being included in ticket sales.
If its a 34 game season at an average of £11 a ticket x 5000 per game,that's 1.9 million quid just in ticket revenue,add on all the other income and they are making some serious money Dave.
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 2, 2014 23:35:25 GMT
Our average crowd last year 2012/13 was 5057. Just because somebody buys a season ticket you can't suddenly discount them from being included in ticket sales. If its a 34 game season at an average of £11 a ticket x 5000 per game,that's 1.9 million quid just in ticket revenue,add on all the other income and they are making some serious money Dave. Yeah thats correct but from.my understanding a huge chunk of season ticket revenue goes on rent for the arena paid up front and operating costs during the summer. You have still totally ignored the other running costs and tax.
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Post by iginla on Mar 3, 2014 0:34:26 GMT
I've done the sums Dave and I'm not ignoring anything.
They do have to pay the arena a lump sum up front as a guarantee,around 150k I believe it is,but they drag in 600k worth of up front season ticket money,that's 2000 ish at say around 300 quid.
The arena costs 12k a game so around 400k a season including the up front money.
Player wages around 14k a week so again another 450k ish a season.
Add flights,housing,insurance,equipment,away travel,office rent and wagesetc etc etc and you struggle to see how it can cost them more than about £1.2 million in costs yet they are turning over well in excess of £2 million easily.
Believe me,they get so much free,even the pizzas the players eat after a game are free from the pizza sponsors,the gym is virgin active another sponsor,when foreign teams come over its premier inn rooms for them another sponsor,sponsor a game it will cost you £1500,sponsor a player it will cost you £300,buy a programme £3,how about a 50/50 ticket,how many shirt auctions do they have ?
Enough said I think.
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Post by panthersdave on Mar 3, 2014 0:49:11 GMT
Youve missed a ton of costs but its all been done to death.
Yeah enough said.
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