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Post by Shorty on Nov 8, 2011 20:37:11 GMT
Doucet has been reported by Moray Hanson to the Elite League following a check on Sam Zajac.
He was awarded 2+10 for checking from behind, but seems it is being reviewed as checking to the head.
It was four games for Lepine for the incident with Globke.
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Post by pantherdman on Nov 8, 2011 20:40:21 GMT
?? if it was that bad, why didn't he get a harsher punishment during the game?? At what point did Hanson decide to refer it? when he was watching the video of the game? did a coach moan?? we need the full story here orr do we have the wait to read the beer mats like usual?
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Post by Shorty on Nov 8, 2011 20:46:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 21:05:58 GMT
Here you go, 3.04 on the video
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Post by iginla on Nov 8, 2011 21:11:34 GMT
Difficult to say much without seeing the video,but if i remember correctly Sam Zajac is only about 5 foot 4,its probably hard not to hit him in the head.
If Voth had hit him he probably would have got cited for kneeing to the head !
I still remember Voths hit on Sjogren at play off weekend and i'm still convinced it was Sjogrens fault because he ducked just before Voth checked him into the glass.
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Post by iginla on Nov 8, 2011 21:17:25 GMT
Oooh seen the video now,very nasty elbow,4 game ban minimum or even more if Lepine got four for his legal hit on Globke.
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Post by 5+game on Nov 8, 2011 21:18:53 GMT
Not the clearest view but it looks like his elbow definately come up in the face of Zajac. Gota be a ban. Isn't it a minimum of 3 games for a hit to the head.
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Post by pantherman66 on Nov 8, 2011 21:19:11 GMT
Looked like a vicious pre-meditated elbow to me which deserves at least the four games Lepine got last season, but we are talking Elite league discipline here aren't we.
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Post by iginla on Nov 8, 2011 21:23:26 GMT
A very definate elbow,he's got it cocked from about five metres away before he hits him.
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Nov 8, 2011 21:28:42 GMT
THF moaned!!!!!!! I think I maybe a little too old school but if anybody watched hockey 15 years ago that would of been a 2 min penalty. Just shows how soft the game is these days. Let the players deal with it.
I'm not comparing it to the ban Lepine got because that was a joke.
I don't think it was pre meditated either I think this is what happens when guys get that edge when you are chasing for something and you get competitive.
Im expecting a ban due to the softness of the modern game but for me with no injury on the play this was nothing and 2 mins for elbows.
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 8, 2011 21:56:39 GMT
THF moaned!!!!!!! I think I maybe a little too old school but if anybody watched hockey 15 years ago that would of been a 2 min penalty. Just shows how soft the game is these days. Let the players deal with it. I'm not comparing it to the ban Lepine got because that was a joke. I don't think it was pre meditated either I think this is what happens when guys get that edge when you are chasing for something and you get competitive. Im expecting a ban due to the softness of the modern game but for me with no injury on the play this was nothing and 2 mins for elbows. I think you are deliberately trying to be controversial. Deliberately hitting a player in the head with your elbow is not part of the game and obviously warrants more than 2 minutes.
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Post by chris111 on Nov 8, 2011 22:04:12 GMT
As a Giants fan I think Doucet will get a ban, and deserves it. I'm a fan of tough hockey, I like seeing big hits and good checking, but I think he had his elbow far too high up. It was a dangerous hit no question about it. He will take his licks for it and we will move on. I love how the Inferno where quick to jump all over this, I guess years of watching Voth do his stuff means they can spot a bad hit a mile off Anyway 2 or 3 game ban probably, cant complain if thats the case.
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Post by bill238 on Nov 8, 2011 22:18:43 GMT
THF moaned!!!!!!! I think I maybe a little too old school but if anybody watched hockey 15 years ago that would of been a 2 min penalty. Just shows how soft the game is these days. Let the players deal with it. I'm not comparing it to the ban Lepine got because that was a joke. I don't think it was pre meditated either I think this is what happens when guys get that edge when you are chasing for something and you get competitive. Im expecting a ban due to the softness of the modern game but for me with no injury on the play this was nothing and 2 mins for elbows. Are you serious? do you know how serious hits to the head can be, just look at Crosby or closer to home with Heerema. These sorts of hits cannot be tolerated and must be punished! I also don't believe that was the case 15 years ago, a hit like that and the player would of got a ban, maybe one would of got a slightly smaller ban but still one nonetheless, a elbow like that could end someone's career easily
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Post by heja on Nov 8, 2011 22:32:21 GMT
I don't think he meant to hit him in the head at all, not even that convinced he caught him that bad in the head either from the video.
you can see what he was trying to do but he got it wrong, basically he was trying to avoid running him from behind, so reached around with his arms and attempted to hit him hard, but got it slightly wrong
What doesn't help though is that Zajac seems completely unware that he is playing hockey.
Don't think it deserves a ban and 2+10 is about right for what actually happened.
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Post by spik on Nov 8, 2011 22:44:37 GMT
As a Giants fan I think Doucet will get a ban, and deserves it. I'm a fan of tough hockey, I like seeing big hits and good checking, but I think he had his elbow far too high up. It was a dangerous hit no question about it. He will take his licks for it and we will move on. I love how the Inferno where quick to jump all over this, I guess years of watching Voth do his stuff means they can spot a bad hit a mile off Anyway 2 or 3 game ban probably, cant complain if thats the case. Very fair comment there. It looked bad and the elbow seemed excessively primed.
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Post by bill238 on Nov 8, 2011 22:56:05 GMT
Just too add in case people haven't read the daily star article, Zajac did suffer a concussion and has been suffering from headaches, lets hope he has a speedy recovery
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Post by NP on Nov 8, 2011 22:56:21 GMT
Looks nasty whether he meant it or not, would have thought a 4 game ban will be on the way...
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Post by Shorty on Nov 8, 2011 23:13:38 GMT
Difficult to say much without seeing the video,but if i remember correctly Sam Zajac is only about 5 foot 4,its probably hard not to hit him in the head. Are you suggesting a tall player might be penalised unfairly when challenging a smaller player...........
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Post by james1977 on Nov 8, 2011 23:28:44 GMT
?? if it was that bad, why didn't he get a harsher punishment during the game?? At what point did Hanson decide to refer it? when he was watching the video of the game? did a coach moan?? we need the full story here orr do we have the wait to read the beer mats like usual? Rule book! Isn't this the way referees should do it in a league where not every official is, to put it lightly, on top of their own game? Give a call that gives the benefit of the doubt and then review post-game? Too many decisions are made on-ice based solely on the manner by which the hit player rag-dolls to the ice. The Lepine/Globke hit being a prime example. Do you honestly think that Lepine would have got a four game ban if he hadn't been chucked from the game, in light of the rather weak evidence offered up by the video, no matter what vintage of Betamax the EIHL discipline committee played if through? Lepine was banned because the league didn't want to undermine an official. I applaud Hanson for dealing with it this way. He wasn't sure on the ice so reviewed after the game. This is the way officials in the NHL deal with contentious hits, its good to finally see such professionalism trickle down to this hockey backwater.
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Post by texpef on Nov 8, 2011 23:33:13 GMT
Needs a ban at least as equivalent to Lepine for that as to me it looked clearly like a check to the head, no excuses. As giants have an extra couple of imports will they then be forced to play an import short?...
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Post by OwenB on Nov 8, 2011 23:35:00 GMT
That would get at least five games in the NHL, probably.
A Shanaban is definitely needed.
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Post by shirtless on Nov 8, 2011 23:37:04 GMT
Terrible decision by doucet there a very rash challenge in the heat of the moment having been beaten to the corner.
O.K the giants were trailing in the game and maybe he was desperate to make a difference but that is the reason for what he did and not an excuse for doing it in my opinion.
Should be a ban and a long one, the lepine incident last season was no where near as bad as that and voth got a six game ban for the "blindside" on tait.
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Post by james1977 on Nov 8, 2011 23:51:14 GMT
Needs a ban at least as equivalent to Lepine for that as to me it looked clearly like a check to the head, no excuses. As giants have an extra couple of imports will they then be forced to play an import short?... Yes, same as we did when Lepine was banned. Of course having two in the pocket is still advantageous even if on-ice they have to play an import down.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 9, 2011 0:01:31 GMT
I absolutely love a good, hard, clean hit... unfortunately, that was anything but.
That's got to be worthy of a significant ban - not only is it a clear elbow to the head, but just look at the way he winds up and swings... whether Douchet is too tall or Zajac is too short makes no nevermind... that's deliberately leading with the elbow - hell, that's not just leading with it, that's deliberately using the elbow as a weapon! Even if he wasn't aiming for the head, that's still a clear elbowing - and the onus is on the checking player to pick the correct target point as well as the correct part of his body to use.
If we're going to use previous hits and suspensions as any kind of benchmark... if Douchet gets less than Lepine did, then it'll be a travesty.
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Post by richard1969 on Nov 9, 2011 6:33:54 GMT
Assuming we are not biased on here and are looking at it for what it is then the consensus is definitely for a 3 or 4 match ban
The question is if onoe of our own players had done the same thing would we look for the good or the bad in the challenge ?
I think by and large the guys who have commented although Panthers fans are pretty objective when it comes to things like this
And I cant see the panel being made up of a group of Zukiwskyfan types - no disrespect Zukiwskyfan by the way at all - you are entitled to your viewpoint same as everybody else
The League need to send a message out with their decision
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