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Post by Pies on Nov 10, 2011 10:35:24 GMT
I'm looking forward to Andy French doing the Shanahan videos.
Fair play theyve explained their reasoning - but I 100% don't agree with it. Elbows in its simplest form. But whatever, usually I don't jump on the "lets all belittle the EIHL" bandwagon but rubbish decision and just shows that the powers that be have got no idea about the sport of hockey.
It's time to bring in a proper disciplinary panel - ex players and coaches alike to make these decisions. Yes it costs money blah blah blah but we need to start getting things done properly now. We've got ex NHLers playing here, the quality of player in the league is going up, time to get the quality of the running to the same sort of level.
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Post by texpef on Nov 10, 2011 10:36:27 GMT
Seems to have a bearing on which team you play for rather than the legality or otherwise of the hit in this league....
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 10, 2011 10:37:26 GMT
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 10, 2011 10:42:04 GMT
Fair play theyve explained their reasoning - but I 100% don't agree with it. Elbows in its simplest form. But whatever, usually I don't jump on the "lets all belittle the EIHL" bandwagon but rubbish decision and just shows that the powers that be have got no idea about the sport of hockey. If you watch the slo-mo (link in my previous post) and pause it at 0:15 and view it frame by frame it doesn't actually look like he made contact with his elbow. It looks like his elbow is out of sight and he makes contact with his upper arm. It's time to bring in a proper disciplinary panel - ex players and coaches alike to make these decisions. Yes it costs money blah blah blah but we need to start getting things done properly now. We've got ex NHLers playing here, the quality of player in the league is going up, time to get the quality of the running to the same sort of level. I reckon I'd agree with that. I don't think it'd change things in this case, but it might help the likes of Voth and Lepine. |
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 10, 2011 10:42:08 GMT
There must be something wrong with my eyes. To me it looks like a nasty, vicious hit with a swinging arm where the elbow is in play.... |
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Post by clanfanjj on Nov 10, 2011 10:42:13 GMT
Thanks Doughnut - how many teeth did Rebek lose? - bet he's not happy with Doucet either!
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Post by jester on Nov 10, 2011 10:42:55 GMT
The way the have wrote everything down to in the article... They think they are bloody shanahan!!! Absolute joke! Both would have got 20 games for that! What's wrong with how they wrote things down in the press release? Who is/are 'Both'? I don't understand. Edit: I guess you mean Voth. I'm no big fan of the way the EIHL is run, and wouldn't exactly say they're consistent, but let's talk about this particular case. I don't really see the major issue with how they've handled it. I think they have learnt from last season and are trying to improve their media output. I find it funny that people scream joke but then offer no other reason or rebuttal of what the EIHL have said. Doucet is not the only player that hits in this manner swinging his arms to gain impetus. |
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Post by jester on Nov 10, 2011 10:43:59 GMT
There must be something wrong with my eyes. To me it looks like a nasty, vicious hit with a swinging arm where the elbow is in play.... Imagine that  |
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 10, 2011 10:45:24 GMT
There must be something wrong with my eyes. To me it looks like a nasty, vicious hit with a swinging arm where the elbow is in play.... Imagine that Very constructive. I wonder how you would be posting if it was a hit from Fox on Garside. |
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Post by jester on Nov 10, 2011 10:52:57 GMT
Imagine that Very constructive. I wonder how you would be posting if it was a hit from Fox on Garside. If, If,If makes no difference to the fact in question. At the time I first saw it i thought it was a bad hit and deserved a ban, after watching the Slo-Mo no it dosent and the correct decision was made. Get over it |
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 10, 2011 10:55:55 GMT
Very constructive. I wonder how you would be posting if it was a hit from Fox on Garside. If, If,If makes no difference to the fact in question. At the time I first saw it i thought it was a bad hit and deserved a ban, after watching the Slo-Mo no it dosent and the correct decision was made. Get over it Get over what? Have I called for a ban? No. Have I said he should be thrown from the league? No. To me it looks like a nasty hit. What do you want me to do? I have watched it quite a few times now and it looks like a bad hit. |
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 10, 2011 10:57:47 GMT
There must be something wrong with my eyes. To me it looks like a nasty, vicious hit with a swinging arm where the elbow is in play.... Maybe there is. To me it looks like the elbow doesn't make contact. It does look like a nasty, vicious hit, and deserves a slap from someone on the Braehead team, but it looks to me like a minor for boarding, or a legal, nasty, vicious hit. |
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Post by texpef on Nov 10, 2011 10:58:09 GMT
so says a man whose team benefits... as stated what if it was pelle who got hit and missed more games regardless of legal or not (and i know this from experience as it has happened) blood would be screamed for...
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Post by OwenB on Nov 10, 2011 11:00:47 GMT
Doucet approaches from the blind side.
At .09 on that video you can clearly see the forearm/elbow making initial contact with Zajac's neck/head - it's certainly not shoulder-to-shoulder or shoulder-to-chest.
Doucet uses excessive force, not helped by a pretty rapid swing of the arms.
Even if the intent wasn't to hit the head - it's very difficult to prove intent and I like to think no pro would do that to another - to me the initial point of contact looks to be to the head.
That equals ban. No way this is a legal check.
Just my opinion though.
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 10, 2011 11:04:29 GMT
Doucet approaches from the blind side. At .09 on that video you can clearly see the forearm/elbow making initial contact with Zajac's neck/head - it's certainly not shoulder-to-shoulder or shoulder-to-chest. Doucet uses excessive force, not helped by a pretty rapid swing of the arms. Even if the intent wasn't to hit the head - it's very difficult to prove intent and I like to think no pro would do that to another - to me the initial point of contact looks to be to the head. That equals ban. No way this is a legal check. Just my opinion though. It does look that way at 0:09 in the clip but if you keep watching and see the slower version a few seconds later I don't think there is any contact between elbow or head, it looks like contact is between forearm and shoulder/chest. |
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Post by PantherTom on Nov 10, 2011 11:13:47 GMT
The way the have wrote everything down to in the article... They think they are bloody shanahan!!! Absolute joke! Both would have got 20 games for that! What's wrong with how they wrote things down in the press release? Who is/are 'Both'? I don't understand. Edit: I guess you mean Voth. I'm no big fan of the way the EIHL is run, and wouldn't exactly say they're consistent, but let's talk about this particular case. I don't really see the major issue with how they've handled it. yes doughnut I did mean voth Stupid Iphone!! |
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Post by OwenB on Nov 10, 2011 11:15:26 GMT
Doughnut,
Understand what you're saying, but to me it still looks like contact is very high, around the neck, which still makes it an illegal hit. And why is he hitting with his forearm anyway?
There is still excessive force as the head is driven into the boards.
Still dangerous, still deserves a ban.
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Post by 5+game on Nov 10, 2011 11:20:11 GMT
From watching it over and over again i have come to the conclusion that it is not a bad enough hit to warrant a ban.
There doesnt apear to be contact with the head so no checking to the head penalty can be called.
If you look at Doucets body his shoulders do not apear to move towards zajac, the reason that he hits the boards is because of the throwing of his arm/elbow which is what forces him into the boards.
I therefor do not see it as a legal check as he uses his arms/elbow and not his body/shoulder.
2mins for boarding or at max 5 mins form elbows.
I just hope this doesnt set a presedence and someone gets seriously injured from it.
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Post by pantherdman on Nov 10, 2011 12:18:43 GMT
I wanna see those elbows swinging against the Steelers! tasty, can't wait.
Can we get rid of the instigator penalty next.
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Post by seedy on Nov 10, 2011 12:35:55 GMT
I wanna see those elbows swinging against the Steelers! tasty, can't wait. Can we get rid of the instigator penalty next. If this were facebook, I'd like this! Elite league said it wast even a penalty! Let's get video replays available in game so players arent afraid to play real hockey. As for those that still think it was bad, I cant imagine you are more qualified than those who actually make and enforce the rules to comment. Guess the league agree with zukwisky fan! |
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Post by DWD on Nov 10, 2011 12:43:42 GMT
Seems to have a bearing on which team you play for rather than the legality or otherwise of the hit in this league.... "infamy infamy, they've all got it in for me" |
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Post by Shorty on Nov 10, 2011 13:13:42 GMT
Who got slated a couple of weeks ago for saying the Elite League has already decided who will win the league this season?
As for Jester, he lives up to his name, so you can be sure his posts are purely for comedic value.
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Post by jester on Nov 10, 2011 13:22:19 GMT
Who got slated a couple of weeks ago for saying the Elite League has already decided who will win the league this season? As for Jester, he lives up to his name, so you can be sure his posts are purely for comedic value. Ahh bless, that the best you can do. BTW what has been comedy value, other than facts which obviously dont go down to well  |
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Post by richard1969 on Nov 10, 2011 13:23:18 GMT
I guarantee the fact the player is not badly hurt has had an impact on the EIHL review - makes it far easier for them to turn a blind eye
I dont care what you call it that is a seriously dangerous and nasty strike to a players neck (cheapshot as well imo)
If the player had been out for the season or worse as a result - Doucet would be getting a big ban now
IMO - the outcome of these checks/hits (i.e the seriousness of any injuries caused) is clouding the issue
Should just look at the act and decide whether it was dangerous or not
I may not watch as much hockey as some of you guys but thats the most blatant nasty thing I have seen in last 4 years watching GB ice hockey (regardless of whether its technically a check or anything else - its just plain bad)
The opponent was very lucky
I still am trying to imagine the recation of our fans and Lepine if it had happened to one of our guys on our ice - especially if our player had been badly injured as a result
Some of you guys would have been on the ice throwing punches at him - let alone Lepine !
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Post by clanfandouglas on Nov 10, 2011 13:42:34 GMT
Sammy has tweeted today the following.
First missed practice in years, courtesy of the #Gianthit
all im saying is somebody is going to end up seriously hurt when they pretty much encourage that
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