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Post by richard1969 on Nov 10, 2011 9:26:12 GMT
Interesting isn't the word I'd use. After 31 years watching this sport you'd think I'd have been used to decisions like this by now but to call that a legal hit simply beggars belief. It also, in my mind, sets a very dangerous precedent. Right, I'm off to see if THF has melted. If EIHL think that is acceptable Member of the crowd should report it to the police - see what they think ! That has made me need to look at it again
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Post by richard1969 on Nov 10, 2011 9:28:38 GMT
In slow motion looks to me that he has elbowed him in the neck with intent ?
Is that legal in ice hockey ?
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 10, 2011 9:29:22 GMT
Unbelievable decision but cracking. The contact levels throughout the league should go up a good few levels now!
If that is legal lets get hitting. Go LEPINE!
Heads up!
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Post by james1977 on Nov 10, 2011 9:31:17 GMT
So let me get this right, nice, legal mid-ice check on a player who is checking his laces = 4 game ban. Blatant check from behind (I can recommend Ross and Wilson's A&P to assist in recognising difference between front and rear of the torso) = nothing?
The aforementioned A&P book may also assist the EIHL 'disciplinary committee' identify its own posterior with the use of both hands.
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Post by richard1969 on Nov 10, 2011 9:34:41 GMT
I know check is an ice hockey term
But why isnt this just beng called an "elbow to the neck" ??
This isnt a check surely ?
What are the rules about using your elbow on somebodys neck ?
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Post by Paul on Nov 10, 2011 9:34:47 GMT
It's also "interesting" that the EIHL are willing to release the video of this but the super-duper "enhanced" footage of Lepine is still locked in the vaults of Elite League towers.
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Post by jd on Nov 10, 2011 9:34:48 GMT
Which is why our league is a joke
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 10, 2011 9:37:24 GMT
Richard, there's a difference between punching someone on a football field and punching someone in a sport where it's an accepted part of the game.
It could be argued that Doucet intended to cause serious harm, but it could just as well be argued that he didn't. It could be argued that he intended to throw a normal check but it went wrong. It could also be argued that he did what he did without intending or expecting to cause serious harm due to the amount of protection hockey players wear.
Many boxers have died in the ring during or just after a fight. How many boxers do you know of that have been charged with manslaughter?
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Post by james1977 on Nov 10, 2011 9:39:09 GMT
The fact Belfast are running two extra imports is an aside to seemingly having league officials on side.
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Post by clanfandouglas on Nov 10, 2011 9:41:29 GMT
The league have issued no ban and his record is clean.as they have said a good hit. Total idiots this league they should have banned the player set a mark that player safety comes first and these hits won't be accepted. Zajac could have been seriously injured. I would say this if it was any player that recieved this type of hit.
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Post by 5+game on Nov 10, 2011 9:45:48 GMT
Well done EIHL you have yet again shown yourselves to be a complete and utter farce.
There is not a chance in hell that that is a legal check his elbow is is the part of the body that is used to hit him you can easily see that he pulls his arms away from zajac as he approaches him and then drives the elbow at him.
Ok it doesnt look a clear hit to the head but it is a deffinate elbow without doubt.
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Post by rangers on Nov 10, 2011 9:46:14 GMT
You can't actually argue that any of the points made on the EIHL press release are incorrect.
Until you get to "Doucet’s check is considered a legal body check."
Looks a clear case of elbows to me. Whether to the head, or just below, the league has to stamp out elbows.
Maybe a 2 game ban would be the max I would give, considering not to the head, no injury caused, clean record. Certainly a 1 game ban. 4 is a bit much though.
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Post by 5+game on Nov 10, 2011 9:49:07 GMT
Maybe a 2 game ban would be the max I would give, considering not to the head, no injury caused, clean record. Certainly a 1 game ban. 4 is a bit much though. I thought Zajac was injured didnt he leave the game and is suffering from concussion?
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Post by 5+game on Nov 10, 2011 9:51:12 GMT
wish we could send that video to the NHL see what they thought of it.
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Nov 10, 2011 9:51:31 GMT
Lets see how long the ban is next time Lepine sneezes!
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Post by panthersdave on Nov 10, 2011 9:51:44 GMT
Maybe a 2 game ban would be the max I would give, considering not to the head, no injury caused, clean record. Certainly a 1 game ban. 4 is a bit much though. I thought Zajac was injured didnt he leave the game and is suffering from concussion? I heard that too, for me the super slow-mo actually makes it look worse. If that hit isnt 'elbows' then I dont know what is!
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 10, 2011 9:55:26 GMT
I reckon the slow mo shows it's not from behind and agree with their explanation of that. I'd like to know why it's considered legal though rather than elbowing. Given the lack of injury I'd say elbowing with a 2 min minor or maybe 5+GM.
Credit where it's due though, they've made their reasoning and evidence public and all within a few days. Long may that continue.
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Post by panthers4ever on Nov 10, 2011 9:55:40 GMT
OMG what a joke
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Post by jester on Nov 10, 2011 9:56:23 GMT
Zajec didnt miss a shift and iced the next night against Dundee.
Rather than moaning its a joke argue with the points the EIHL people made?
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Post by panthersdave on Nov 10, 2011 10:00:03 GMT
Zajec didnt miss a shift and iced the next night against Dundee. Rather than moaning its a joke argue with the points the EIHL people made? Given that some people clearly didnt know that I think your response about 'moaning' was a bit firm. My question regarding this though is why the check has been deemed legal rather than elbows? The elbow was clearly swung out and hit Zajac pretty hard causing him to hit the boards violently
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 10, 2011 10:04:53 GMT
I reckon the slow mo shows it's not from behind and agree with their explanation of that. I'd like to know why it's considered legal though rather than elbowing. Given the lack of injury I'd say elbowing with a 2 min minor or maybe 5+GM. Credit where it's due though, they've made their reasoning and evidence public and all within a few days. Long may that continue. Watching the slo-mo again it looks like he made contact with his forearm rather than his elbow. So not elbowing either. There may be a case for boarding or something, but I guess that'd only get 2 mins anyway.
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Post by ted logan on Nov 10, 2011 10:13:55 GMT
Credit where it's due though, they've made their reasoning and evidence public and all within a few days. Long may that continue. Fair enough - but that doesn't explain why they failed to produce the footage of Lepine's hit on Globke last year. In fact has anybody ever seen it? If this is the way they see this type of hit and they are prepared to go public with their findings and release the evidence to back it up then that's fine. As long as they're consistent then nobody (fans, players, coaches) can really have any complaints. Whether this actually happens though remains to be seen
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Post by PantherTom on Nov 10, 2011 10:16:24 GMT
The way the have wrote everything down to in the article... They think they are bloody shanahan!!! Absolute joke! Both would have got 20 games for that!
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Post by clanfanjj on Nov 10, 2011 10:32:47 GMT
Ridiculous decision by the EIHL! Does anyone have the link to the slow mo footage on Youtube? I tried to view it but the footage I was trying to access has been removed?!! On the orders of EHIL? !!!
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 10, 2011 10:33:59 GMT
The way the have wrote everything down to in the article... They think they are bloody shanahan!!! Absolute joke! Both would have got 20 games for that! What's wrong with how they wrote things down in the press release? Who is/are 'Both'? I don't understand. Edit: I guess you mean Voth. I'm no big fan of the way the EIHL is run, and wouldn't exactly say they're consistent, but let's talk about this particular case. I don't really see the major issue with how they've handled it.
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