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Post by crowder on Oct 29, 2006 18:02:11 GMT
The problem lies with your perception then , not the steelers fans. Of course it is. The Steelers have always just been misunderstood, right? If you are standing up cheering while an opposition player is being helped off the ice with what looks a serious injury, how would you expect that to be perceived exactly? How would you perceive it if opposition fans were doing it while one of your players was in that situation? Like the night Neickar's stick injured Vial and the Panther fans cheered Neickar to the rafters.....26/8/2000 if you've forgotten the match Crowder
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Post by Ian on Oct 29, 2006 18:07:58 GMT
So you know how it feels then? Good, then you will understand why it left a sour taste in my mouth last night. Or perhaps the problem was with your perception, not with the Panthers fans.
And before you accuse me of hypocrisy, I was not at the game you mention back in 2000 and I happen to think it is out of order cheering any injury. Cheering a hit on an opposition player, especially an unpopular one, is part of the game and we all do that, but if it becomes apparent that an injury has been suffered then I know that I am decent enough to show respect. That is why it gets my goat so much when I feel that others are not behaving that way.
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Post by orangemoderator on Oct 29, 2006 18:21:27 GMT
For gods sake , no one was cheering the injury , there were fights going on , remember ?
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Post by Mark on Oct 29, 2006 18:56:07 GMT
For gods sake , no one was cheering the injury , there were fights going on , remember ? In your opinion, unless of course you can vouch for every Steelers fan in the building.
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Post by MP on Oct 29, 2006 18:58:14 GMT
Play nicely please gentlemen - there are two sides to this.The reaction to Mcaslan's injury was disappointing, for whatever reason. As for the game itself: Carson seemed hell bent on helping Sheffield claw back the scoreline. At 4-3 with 10 minutes left in the 3rd this is a run down of the penalties... 51.27 - Regan Darby 2 minutes tripping (5 on 4 PP) 53.00 - Ian Manzano 2 minutes hooking (5 on 3 PP) 54.18 - Regan Darby 2 minutes elbows (5 on 3 PP again) 55.26 - Ian Manzano 2 minutes interference (5 on 3 PP again) Just exactly what game were you watching? Chris Sums up why we lost a game we should have won. We must have had well over 4 minutes of 5 on 3 and never looked like scoring. Hull would have demolished Steelers given similar opportunity. Too many turnovers and unforced errors still despite the welcome return of speed and passion for the first two periods. We seemed to freeze in the third though and the final outcome became all too inevitable. We have to keep checking and scoring all game long - we can't defend so if we take the pressure off then we ship goals. Some comical refereeing - 3 penalty shots in one game? Most refs are reluctant to hand out one. Not convinced any of them were really justified though I wasn't best placed to see. Didn't think Carson was bad in the first two periods though rather inconsistent in regard of what constitutes ZT. The fact that we failed to dispose of a mediocre Steelers team suggests we are both mid-table material this season. What a cracking night's entertainment though - great stuff! As someone said earlier, if there were more games like that it would do wonders for the attendances.
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Post by orangemoderator on Oct 29, 2006 18:58:39 GMT
Ok I give in , we all hate you and wanted every panthers player to suffer career ending injuries.
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Post by Mark on Oct 29, 2006 19:11:24 GMT
Play nicely please gentlemen - there are two sides to this.The fact that we failed to dispose of a mediocre Steelers team suggests we are both mid-table material this season. To be honest I think the league is wide open and whoever gets their act together first has a good chance of success. No one team has been particularly convincing. P.S. I am playing nice.
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Post by Lord of the Rinks on Oct 29, 2006 20:23:06 GMT
Enough has been said from both side, the comical moment of the night was for me, when Simoes skated to Shuffs penalty box after a little skirmish, made a facial gesture and a shrug of the shoulders to the player in there,
as if to say NOT BAD!
Priceless... ;D
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Post by mansfieldpanther on Oct 29, 2006 20:34:54 GMT
I din't post a great deal on here but I honestly thought Sebby was back in the guise of Neilson .................oooooo shudder the thought " Taxi for Neilson "
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Post by ggggranville on Oct 29, 2006 21:39:07 GMT
I thought it was a great evenings entertainment. The first two periods Panthers played with fire in their belly against avery poor steelers line up. However we seem to shoot ourselves in the foot by giving away silly goals. IMHO Neilson doesnt do enough and in fact appears to be a poor skater. Lindsey just isnt good enough for us. When it came to penalty shots he appeared devoid of confidence and appeared to have his angles completely wrong for Tessier and Sutters goals. Im still shocked that we could lose a game which we dominated for so long. Sadly our power play was nothing short of hopeless. We need to improve as Im sure the steeelers cannot play as badly next week.
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Post by Mark on Oct 29, 2006 22:33:11 GMT
We need to improve as Im sure the steeelers cannot play as badly next week. I bet they can. That's as good as it gets for the Steelers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2006 22:34:18 GMT
Do you know what Carson was doing looking at the pictures from the Steelers photographer (on the Steelers bench - during the ice dancing) at the end of the first period? My only guess was that the Steelers wanted to show him something regarding one of our goals. Maybe it was their complaints of a player in the crease. If it was regarding the goal, could this have influenced any of his decisions later? A couple of the Sheffield bench guys were wearing game shirts. The referee went over at the end of the period to tell them to take them off. By the time he had done so the dancer was on so he had to wait until she had finished before he could skate back to our side of the ice. That's all Last night was a fantastic game. Why can't we leave it at that?
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Post by andyd on Oct 29, 2006 23:07:16 GMT
And this thread is the precise reason I'm sick to the back teeth of the Panthers v Steelers rivalry, more posts of complaints and back biting than genuine game discussion. EVERY GAME comes down to "your fans did this", "your fans did that", "we only lost because so and so cheated", "the ref was biased". The Panthers, Steelers rivalry remains a sinking ship. It's days like today that I'm ashamed to support either of these two clubs even if I am on the opposite side of the planet. This rivalry no longer seems to be about who can win a hockey game but who has the scummiest fans.
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Post by supermattytrickett on Oct 29, 2006 23:25:08 GMT
Most of the gripes from a Panthers fan perspective have been well-documented so I won't go over them. However, unless i'm mistaken (I haven't been through all eleven pages!), no one has seemed to pick up on how terrible Lindsay was during the penalty shoot-out.
Other than the one that resulted in an easy save that was effectively rolled straight at Lindsay, he made a real meal of saving some of the efforts that the Steelers were to throw at him. In fact, one of the penalties was put under his glovehand without Evan even appearing to move.
A very disappointing end to a game that had started so promisingly.
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Oct 29, 2006 23:34:40 GMT
The problem lies with your perception then , not the steelers fans. Of course it is. The Steelers have always just been misunderstood, right? If you are standing up cheering while an opposition player is being helped off the ice with what looks a serious injury, how would you expect that to be perceived exactly? How would you perceive it if opposition fans were doing it while one of your players was in that situation? Panthers fans last sunday where chanting "Simoes Simoes Simoes" as Hecl was being helped off the ice after the big hit from Simoes.
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 30, 2006 0:56:31 GMT
We need to improve as Im sure the steeelers cannot play as badly next week. I bet they can. That's as good as it gets for the Steelers. The really annoying thing is though Mark, it isn't! I saw them tear Manchester apart no more than 4 or so weeks ago, playing some of the best hockey I have seen in years. God only knows what has happened since?
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Post by rach09 on Oct 30, 2006 7:22:31 GMT
Not that this is anything new but this is my first opportunity to post. Our powerplay is astonishing, how is it that whoever we put in a panthers sweater we cannot score on the powerplay? I thought Carson was inconsistent but we cannot blame him for our capitulation. Having watched hockey for 23 seasons I think I have seen about 4 penalty shots in total during games, to give 3 in a match must be a new record!
Unfortunately I could see the equalising goal coming for some time, it is a stealer speciality scoring in our building in the last minute! We need a goal scorer and a more reliable defence and some lessons on what to do on the powerplay!!!
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Post by Ian on Oct 30, 2006 7:28:45 GMT
Panthers fans last sunday where chanting "Simoes Simoes Simoes" as Hecl was being helped off the ice after the big hit from Simoes. And your point is? If I'd been a Phoenix fan, that would have left a sour taste in my mouth, just as events on Saturday night did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2006 8:14:03 GMT
We were (I and some of you from Notts) discussing the rivalry between us ( on another forum) and came to the conclusion that Coventry fans were you big game now...but i think despite the score for you that this may have just breathed life into a game between 2 teams that was in danger of been washed away...
Not the best hockey i've ever seen but great night may our love - hate relationship continue for years to come.
Hope that little fella from Notts i gave the puck to thinks were better than some would have him believe...I said to his Mum ''you'll have to get him growing up now disliking Cov more than us''...lol
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Post by Doughnut on Oct 30, 2006 11:25:05 GMT
I've put the video of the Shmyr fight on the net for my "personal use" am i allowed to post the link or am i not allowed? Current Cage policy is that game photos aren't aloud to be posted as pictures. Links to content hosted elsewhere on the Internet are still allowed.
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Oct 30, 2006 15:33:33 GMT
Panthers fans last sunday where chanting "Simoes Simoes Simoes" as Hecl was being helped off the ice after the big hit from Simoes. And your point is? If I'd been a Phoenix fan, that would have left a sour taste in my mouth, just as events on Saturday night did. My point is you see one of your players throw a big hit and you cheer. If a player is skating into the corner and loses his edge and falls and hurts himself badly and people start cheering then that would be disgusting but when a huge hit is thrown then it's only natural to cheer.
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Post by Ian on Oct 30, 2006 15:57:21 GMT
My point is you see one of your players throw a big hit and you cheer. If a player is skating into the corner and loses his edge and falls and hurts himself badly and people start cheering then that would be disgusting but when a huge hit is thrown then it's only natural to cheer. Yes, you cheer when a hit is thrown. But there is a big difference between doing that and standing cheering while a player is being helped off the ice, obviously injured. And that is what I was annoyed with, not fans cheering hits that their players make.
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Post by chris22 on Oct 30, 2006 16:17:57 GMT
Ian
Not posted as I've been in Belfast for the past two days (where we were awful by the way!) and when McAslan was being taken off I was stood on my feet because we were on a roll and there were numerous fights under our noses. I clapped him off the ice but most people around me were still talking about what had just gone off. There was a general buzz around our fans.
If I believed it was a purpose cheer at him being helped off the ice I'd apologise, but because of the reasons outlined above and being in the middle of the mentioned fans, I'd believe you're wrong.
Sorry, just my opinion!
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 30, 2006 16:25:18 GMT
My point is you see one of your players throw a big hit and you cheer. If a player is skating into the corner and loses his edge and falls and hurts himself badly and people start cheering then that would be disgusting but when a huge hit is thrown then it's only natural to cheer. Yes, you cheer when a hit is thrown. But there is a big difference between doing that and standing cheering while a player is being helped off the ice, obviously injured. And that is what I was annoyed with, not fans cheering hits that their players make. The problem here is, I think (and I'm defending fans of all teams here, including the Steelers) is that sometimes you simply don't notice what's going on with an opposing player as quickly as you do with one of your own. If you're already standing up, cheering, shouting, whatever - sometimes your attention is focussed on what you are cheeringabout - your players. It might well be "obvious" that something else is going on with an opposing player, but it's quite easy to get distracted from that and only see part of what is going on - the part in which you are interested. That's not going to be the case all of the time, of course - there are always some numpties in any fanbase who would quite happily cheer and jeer an injured opposing player - but I think that it is often a major factor in the continual round of "the fans of <insert team name> were cheering our guy getting injured". Hindsight is 20/20... right there at the time, it's often a lot less clear-cut.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2006 16:31:57 GMT
Now I've had a couple of days to reflect on Saturdays nights action I feel I can post, because after the game I was experiencing quite a few emotions after the game (plus it's never a good idea to post after Steelers games whence under the influence!!) A much, much improved performance from Wednesday, the team played for each other, got in their faces, scored a few goals and were well on top. Then we press self destruct in the 3rd! How we could have let them come back is beyond me, they couldn't even manage to pass to each other in the first 2 periods! They were shockingly bad, yet they still won. How?? Also, I was annoyed that the referee had a huge bearing on the game, can anyone explain yet why any of those three penalty shots were given, because I sure can't! Ah well, there's always next weekend!! PS: Did anyone see the female Steelers fan in block 1 wildly gesturing at some Panthers fans in block 12 after their 4th went in? Something should be done about her
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