Smudge
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Post by Smudge on Oct 29, 2006 10:52:09 GMT
Did ME put the lines back to how they were pre CC last night? You certainly looked better. Ellis certainly did and it seemed to result in a much improved performance. As I said on here after the Edinburgh game: "I was slightly bemused when I read in the Evening Post on Friday that Ellis was going to change the lines around and put Clarke, Stevens and McAslan on one line and Shmyr and Simoes on another. Why change the lines that had got us to the top of the league? Surely, if it ain't broke, don't fix it."The lines as they were last night and prior to the CC seem to have a much better balance to them. Plus, it's surely easier for the opposition to stop you if you put Clarke and McAslan, who had, prior to last night, scored 22 of the 38 goals we had scored, on the same line. I just hope Ellis sticks with this, although McAslan getting injured puts a bit of a spanner in the works. Hope he's not out for long.
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Post by rangers on Oct 29, 2006 11:21:36 GMT
First of all a cracking match. If all games were like that then ice hockey would be the number 1 sport in the country. For them, Phillips was immense. Stand out of the game by a mile. Thought Corey was much improved from the previous 2 home games, but still not the player he is on paper. Rees impressed alot, as did clarkey. But Petricko seemed to do his vanishing act in a big game again, as of last year. Maybe it was his injury though so benefit of the doubt. Carson was bad, but equally bad for both teams. And fair play to Tessier, didn't react to the baying crowds, and when he tucked his P/S away, there was no reaction either, when he could have made a big deal about it.
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PeteW
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Post by PeteW on Oct 29, 2006 11:37:18 GMT
Rather have Lindsay then Cruickshank. A very good game tonight. Enjoyed it all, shame about the result but hey im just glad the team spirit is back in the Panther camp. ;D Not me. From what I've seen of Lindsay his best asset is his ability behind the net. He's a stay in the crease butterfly goalie who just tries to get his body in the way, but his glove hand doesn't appear to work.
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Post by PeteW on Oct 29, 2006 11:39:09 GMT
Having been 4-1 up and playing the better game against them twice this year and lost both, I can sympathise with you all completely! We will try again tonight, might even be able to do you a favour eh? Well if you don't I can only see the league title going to one team this year and it's neither of ours.
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Post by PeteW on Oct 29, 2006 11:46:42 GMT
Anyone got stats for this game? IH-Update collapsed at the end of the first period.
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Post by KimThePanther on Oct 29, 2006 11:49:16 GMT
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Oct 29, 2006 12:11:06 GMT
But Petricko seemed to do his vanishing act in a big game again, as of last year. Its odd how different people see different things, I thought Matus was one of our better players last night!! Tried his hardest constantly and had an extremely unlucky bounce of the puck on a wraparound which took the ridge of ice that keepers put either side of the posts when they clear the crease of the ice and bobbled up over his stick with an empty net in front!! Unluckiest moment of the night for us!! The fight was a draw, definately, Clouthier got a couple more punches in, whether they connected properly or not is another question, and Shmyr got the takedown!! Mopes punished Hewitt, and I didn't see the Neilson v Gustavson fight!! Thought Corey had a good game last night, people have started slating him saying he can't play and can't fight, he is not a fighter but went to have words with Gustavson after his check, which IMO wasn't fair although I would like to see it again and will rectify a mistake if it is clean, and Gustavson hit him!! Top marks to Neilson for sticking up for team mates!! As for Gustavson, like I said I didn't think the hit was legal and I felt he should have got a lengthy penalty for what like a high knee into McAslan. Carson was ppor, but like most said, was pretty poor for both teams, but I just felt that whilst we were on the 5 on 3 and the sheffield fans start a 'your a panther in disguise' chant you kinda knew something would happen!! Not blaming him for the loss but he certainly played a part in it IMO!! Played really well and I felt that Tessier played a very smart game!! He was relatively quite on his first return to the NIC, but did what he needed to!! I expected him to get over-emotional and take so many stupid penalties last night but didn't!! One things for sure, the Sheff players didn't seem to like being checked so hard!! Simoes & Rees especially threw some really big hits and the players, Darby, Sarich & Clouthier included, really seemed shocked that firstly someone had the audacity (sp) to hit them but also tried to have words with the players throwing them as if to say 'Don't hit me so hard again please!!' All in all that was the best game of hockey I've seen in a long time, and I think it could have re-lit the spark in the Panthers v Steelers matches!!
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Post by wallflower on Oct 29, 2006 13:01:59 GMT
My view of the game last night was that Panthers were making Steelers look absolutely silly until they decided to take out McAslan and generally disrupt the game. And we fell for it.
At that point I would have called a Time Out and instructed us not to react to Steelers goon tactics or Carson's comedy act, just settle down, play the game, don't take stupid pens, keep your mouths shut....
Sadly it didn't happen that way.
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moose
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Post by moose on Oct 29, 2006 13:40:11 GMT
Its good to see well thought out posts on both here and Steeltalk. Lots of good debate and no trolling which has happened in the past. As a Steelers fan I enjoyed the result last night if not the first two periods which were abysmal. The downside to me was the behaviour of the cheerleaders. Giving the middle finger and mouthing obscenities showed a lack of class and reflected badly on your organisation. Usually expect a certain amount of banter between fans but thought the cheerleaders crossed the line.
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Post by Ovechkin8 on Oct 29, 2006 13:45:02 GMT
Can anyone PM me the Shmyr fight
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Post by shaun30 on Oct 29, 2006 13:58:03 GMT
i was that peeved with the last few games that i decided not to go, but a quick questiojn that ma inspire confidence over the next few months
Did mike ellis revert the team back to the previous lines/strategy. By the way we came out the blocks i would hope so.
also if that is the case - i hope ME realises that that little experiment didnt work.
thanks
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Mark
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Post by Mark on Oct 29, 2006 14:33:56 GMT
Carson seemed hell bent on helping Sheffield claw back the scoreline. At 4-3 with 10 minutes left in the 3rd this is a run down of the penalties... 51.27 - Regan Darby 2 minutes tripping (5 on 4 PP) 53.00 - Ian Manzano 2 minutes hooking (5 on 3 PP) 54.18 - Regan Darby 2 minutes elbows (5 on 3 PP again) 55.26 - Ian Manzano 2 minutes interference (5 on 3 PP again) Just exactly what game were you watching? Chris Same as you, the damage was done in the first five minutes of the third period. If you bothered to read my entire post you'd see I first highlighted our inability to convert powerplays.
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Mark
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Post by Mark on Oct 29, 2006 14:36:29 GMT
The best team lost, simple as. Wasted far too much powerplay, one of our best players appeared to be slewed by Gustavson, and after a verbal assault by those wonderful Steeler fans Carson seemed hell bent on helping Sheffield claw back the scoreline. His overall performance however was diabolical, making bad calls both ways. All the penalty shots were laughable. Not too disappointed tonight, we lost on penalties but were much improved from previous games and obviously a better outfit than Sheffield. The rub of the green and the game would have been ours. P.S. All those Steeler fans cheering while McAslan was helped from the ice, real classy. Not condoning it by any means Mark mate, however, I was at the Manchester game the other week when Hecl got hit............... Me too Nemesis, can't say I heard anyone cheering when Hecl was helped from the ice, not where I was sat at least. If anyone did, well they're below contempt.
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Post by lockerbie on Oct 29, 2006 14:37:27 GMT
And that makes it alright does it. Very professional. Sheffield is hardly a million miles away and if Carson can't make his own way then that proves what a complete idiot he really is. Just adds to the mockery of the officiating. Just wondering also where you get the idea 'Clouthier' won that fight? Was you saying the same thing last season then when one of the Ref's(can't remember which one) Spend most of the weekend handing round with the Panthers players and fans while over in Belfast? It makes no difference, once they are on the ice thay are neutral, they may be shockingly bad at times but they are neutral. It was Boniface and no I wasn't saying the same thing. That was totally unprofessional also and made my thoughts known when said thread discussed it, even so he wasn't travelling home with me was he.
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Mark
Randall Weber
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Post by Mark on Oct 29, 2006 14:38:50 GMT
P.S. All those Steeler fans cheering while McAslan was helped from the ice, real classy. And the Panthers fans in block 17 who threw beer into the Steelers end. Real classy. Had to go to hospital did they to have the beer stains removed? Had to be helped from the arena? Get some perspective.
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Post by texpef on Oct 29, 2006 14:44:26 GMT
put the lines back and it worked we took a commanding 4-1 lead, the steelers imho looked at who was impressing ie macaslan and thought lets stop it and legal or not THEY DID, now imho it was far from legal which is why our non fighter neilsen went after waste of space. If it was me i would have reciprocated however i guess ellis still thought the game was winnable at that point. Problem was after mac was taken out we had zip scoring threat (and i am sure steelers knew this...). For a few years now we have asked for a team that plays it with more grit now we have one but we are lacking in goal scorers. There seem to be imho too many now on the team who work hard but dont contribute in what wins games.... goals... Anyway back to the game was a good game till that incident and the carson debacle over the chant that seemed to force his hand in giving them 2 totally ridiculous penalty shots. This seemed imho again to turn the game and brought the steelers right back into a game they had no real right to this point of getting anything from it (and didnt look like they did either). Brought it back to 4-3 and gave them a lifeline irrespective of any powerplays coming panthers way. On a side issue our powerplay has stunk since the beginning of the season but when you win it really doesnt matter, when you dont then people are going to notice, and given it is now 3 penalty shots THREE losses you would at least think they would appear to have practised this...
And finally, the fights... who cares who won didnt make a difference to the outcome of the game did it???
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Post by paek on Oct 29, 2006 14:48:13 GMT
I agree Tex regarding the penalty shots, there's a lot of points up for grabs potentially. Points mean prizes...Or championships
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Mark
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Post by Mark on Oct 29, 2006 14:50:20 GMT
Got to say, I agree with those who couldn't understand the line on the ice when Steelers equalized. You could see it coming.
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Post by lps on Oct 29, 2006 14:51:34 GMT
Please don't start shouting at me for this, it is not my opinion, just what I have been told was the reason, you asked so I told you. I am not in a position to answer any questions about it. Sorry Nemesis, didn't mean to have a go at you. As you may have seen from my post on possible ref training, earlier in the week, I'm not overly impressed by the refs yet again this season.
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Ian
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Post by Ian on Oct 29, 2006 16:51:14 GMT
Left with a sour taste in my mouth last night and took a long time to calm down. Why?
Not because we lost the game, hell after 26 years of watching Panthers I have learned how to do that. Not because we lost to Steelers, seen that plenty of times. Not because our team took their foot of the gas and threw away a game they should have won. Happens regularly. What wound me up was the classy behaviour of let's say "some" of the Steelers supporters. Giving a bigger cheer when the opposition's best player is put out of the game by what looked a very questionable challenge than they did when they actually won the game is disgraceful and those involved should be thoroughly ashamed. The actual outcome of the game was fairly incidental to me after that.
We had enough chances (and powerplay time) to win comfortably, but didn't put the game to bed. The powerplay was dreadful, and actually got worse when we went from 5 on 4 to 5 on 3. We don't seem to have the right balance - plenty of solid, hard-working forwards but only Clarke and MacAslan who look capable of being regular scorers - that is a recipe for losing games you should win and failing to put teams away as we have seen on several occasions already. And as far as I am concerned, Neilson is a waste of a (presumably highly paid) import slot at the moment. His failure to clear his lines led to the equaliser last night and similar lapses are costing us about a goal a game on average. He is also supposed to be an offensive defenceman and a powerplay specialist, but isn't doing the business there either. Needs to pick up or ship out.
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Post by orangemoderator on Oct 29, 2006 16:59:35 GMT
Hang on Ian , no one was cheering a player being injured , in all my years I have never seen that from any group of fans and I never expect to. The cheers were for the fights that were happening.
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Ian
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Post by Ian on Oct 29, 2006 17:08:30 GMT
Hang on Ian , no one was cheering a player being injured , in all my years I have never seen that from any group of fans and I never expect to. The cheers were for the fights that were happening. That wasn't the way it came across to me. At the end of the day it is all about perception and as I said, regardless of what might have been happening elsewhere it left a very sour taste to see full blocks of away fans on their feet cheering wildly as our best player was being helped off the ice by teammates, having been taken out by what looked to be a dubious play to say the least. Ask yourself how you'd have felt if the situation had been reversed.
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Post by orangemoderator on Oct 29, 2006 17:10:54 GMT
The problem lies with your perception then , not the steelers fans.
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Post by kaylat on Oct 29, 2006 17:14:49 GMT
Guys give the team a break!! They win some and they lose some. Doesn't mean you have to insult them and discourage them. Just cheer on your team with some pride!!!!GO PANTHERS!!!
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Ian
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Post by Ian on Oct 29, 2006 17:34:23 GMT
The problem lies with your perception then , not the steelers fans. Of course it is. The Steelers have always just been misunderstood, right? If you are standing up cheering while an opposition player is being helped off the ice with what looks a serious injury, how would you expect that to be perceived exactly? How would you perceive it if opposition fans were doing it while one of your players was in that situation?
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