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Post by martinski83 on Oct 26, 2006 18:31:43 GMT
Hats off to Hull. They always believed they could win and boy did they take us to school.
I've long said that Ukrainians and Belorussians are top notch when it comes to fast paced, hard shooting flair hockey and they showed it again last night. Their big downfall is that most of them cant fight or take a hip check. What did we do? We laid off them and let them play.
Well done Hull.
Right now for my assault on the Panthers.
Some of the stuff I said in the Caps thread will be relevant here. First: What is going on with that Myers / Ferrara / Cooke line? I'm all for giving them ice time, but we'd have been better with a Zebra, an Orangutan, and an Iguana. Deary me they we're awful. Yes they're young and yes they have to learn but surely ME doesn't think that the time is when we're down and all at once??
Penalty killing. Why are Ferrara and Cooke brought out with 2 d men (1 if Corey is on the ice)? It's a joke.
Corey was awful and I made sure to let him know at every opportunity. If you were in block 6 lower last night, you'll have heard.
Corey, if you're reading, on the pennalty kill C L E A R T H E P U C K !! it's not rocket science. Caught in possession 5 times in his own zone where he had enough time to run to the chippy and back for the entire arena.
Myers. Is it even worth writing about him? Can you skate lad? be honest? Still you were amazingly 100 times better than Paul Moran who just looked lost out there. The guy who suggested buying him a map for xmas might want to have a whip round for sat nav. Paul has no idea where he is.
Where is the checking? When your down and a team is gaing in confidence, check and check hard. Knock the wind out of the sails and the momentum down. If we'd have hammered Hull after the 1st break we'd have got back into it. Instead we sat back qand left them with the puck.
Finally: Any coach who calls a time out at 3-0 down with just over a minute less is insane. or the first time this season I concede that Ellis may actually have no idea what he is doing.
Until last night, one thing that really made me sick was Steelers over celebrating goals at the NIC. It makes me ill. Last night I hit a new low as Hull fans chanted 'easy easy easy'.
Ellis: If you're reading, you should play that clip to your boys. Heartless fools.
Martin
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Post by PeteW on Oct 26, 2006 19:52:21 GMT
Its not just me noticing how lax Nielson is as a defender now then ? Is he more used to playing forward ? I'm wondering whether Neilson's feeling the pressure to score some goals because the forwards aren't?
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Post by PeteW on Oct 26, 2006 19:54:28 GMT
Rather interestingly the NEP was so impressed they didn't even bother to publish a game report in their Panthers section. That's a first as far as I can remember.
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Post by Peacock on Oct 26, 2006 20:32:21 GMT
Rather interestingly the NEP was so impressed they didn't even bother to publish a game report in their Panthers section. That's a first as far as I can remember. Page 55
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Post by matt44 on Oct 26, 2006 20:44:19 GMT
Now i've had time to calm down I would like to give my $0.02c worth:
The main 2 things that REALLY annoyed me are:
1 - We have both Calle AND Mike on the bench......BOTH stood there with hands in pockets looking totally clueless and sorry for themselves instead of talking to the guys and shouting encouragement.
2 - Since the Rouen trip we have lost 3 games. BUT we havent lost any game where we were beaten because the opposition was very good!! All 3 oppenents were little above average. We lost because we were SO BAD!!
We went to Rouen being the best team in the country. Fast, good link-up play and hard hitting. We have come back and we cant string 2 passes together and can't check our way out of a paperbag!!!!!!!!
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Post by runnerbean on Oct 26, 2006 20:45:29 GMT
Finally: Any coach who calls a time out at 3-0 down with just over a minute less is insane. or the first time this season I concede that Ellis may actually have no idea what he is doing. I guess its better to lose 3-1 than 3-0 Put a bit more confidence in them if they did score
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Post by cc77 on Oct 26, 2006 20:48:15 GMT
So glad i stopped at home and did the ironing. sorry my mate wasted his money texting me the score.Watched the goals on the news tonight, have they invented a new game? spot the defence men, cos i didn`t see any. if changes are to be made, i wouldnt be upset to wave bye to Shymr or Neilson, what was it? too good to play in this country. I`m so not looking forward to saturday now, how much more can we take watching steelers gloat.
Might be a good idea to stop at home and do some more ironing,If you`ve got ant that needs doing.......
Come on Mike sort them out, quickly.
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Post by matt44 on Oct 26, 2006 20:53:01 GMT
In all seriousness I think the guys went to Rouen full of confidence and lost all 3 games and had the all the confidence knocked out of them. Maybe they were holding a higher opinion of themselves than they shouldve and crashed back to earth. Hope they get their confidence back soon. Also.........when playing a fast european, non contact team like Hull (now Rizk is injured), I would much rather see James Neil have more ice time and Shmyr have less. Neil is faster, more agile and has better puck control. Also, WHY did their Netminder got MOM? Did he have to make a decent save?
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Post by texpef on Oct 26, 2006 21:12:34 GMT
but Matt other teams just like the panthers can only beat what is put in front of them, and they did, plus they didnt have to be that good to beat us now did they? It is always said (from us and other teams) oh we were pants and thats why we lost... it really doesnt matter now does it? Only results count, people keep saying hull aint that good but they have had panthers number this year havent they?
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Post by matt44 on Oct 26, 2006 21:19:41 GMT
We were SO bad that a good team wouldve beaten us by ALOT more than 3-0, and not rely on two 1-on1's. (which were taken excellently by the way!!)
Which is what the Squeelers will do this weekend if we dont improve ten-fold.
We just dont seem to be able to cope with teams playing defensively against us which Edinburgh and Hull did.
Saying that, Sheffield will hopefully come to play attacking and will open the ice up alot more.
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Post by martinski83 on Oct 26, 2006 21:26:44 GMT
Finally: Any coach who calls a time out at 3-0 down with just over a minute less is insane. or the first time this season I concede that Ellis may actually have no idea what he is doing. I guess its better to lose 3-1 than 3-0 Put a bit more confidence in them if they did score With the team we have, It's unacceptable to lose 3-0 to Hull. Ellis and Calle didn't have a back up plan and they got found out. If we're missing the extra import in Petricko so much, why isn't Calle playing. Maybe they play different positions but the players we have are versatile. Ferrera, Myers and Cooke did nothing all night, pretty much the same as against the Caps. Where as I'm sure they have potential, I don't want to see a rubbish line out when we're losing. Those 3 never got near the puck and just made us look even worse than we already were. 5 on 4 penalty kill and Myers and ferrara were on the ice with Kraijcek and Moran / Kraijcek and Rees. Sheffield must have wet themselves laughing. Just as Hull did Just as Edinburgh did. Hull and Edinburgh both managed EASY s/h goals... makes you wonder what Shuff will muster up.
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Post by matt44 on Oct 26, 2006 21:38:25 GMT
I noticed Ferrera was playing ALOT on the Penalty Kill last night, which, no disrespect to Ferrera, is very risky as he has hardly has any ice time in his last few games for us.
He was getting knocked around too much by Hull. Who arent a big or physical team.
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Post by twix on Oct 26, 2006 22:01:04 GMT
If we're missing the extra import in Petricko so much, why isn't Calle playing. Maybe they play different positions but the players we have are versatile. We currently have our maximum quota of imports registered for playing in the EIHL meaning Petricko would have to be de-registered and Calle registered. Unless the rules have changed for this season, if we de-register an import then we are not alllowed to re-register him for at least 6 games or 4 weeks whichever is shorter. Isn't Petricko meant to be back by Saturday meaning he's only been out one week/3 games?
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Post by ted on Oct 26, 2006 23:15:14 GMT
As far as I'm aware de reg-ing rules haven't changed....
Why does everyone assume Hull and Capsare a worse team than Shuff.... everyone is beating everyone. There's no whipping boys, besides Newcastle. Give them credit
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2006 9:12:01 GMT
Spot on Teddy any of the top 6 right now could win silverware IMO and everyone is winning and loosing against each other you are at home and will win this weekend...
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Post by loveday on Oct 27, 2006 9:30:35 GMT
Simoes has just got GAME for Interference Looking at the Stats on the Elite Web Page it appears that Simoes did not get Game. Total PIMS look like Blaz 2 Corey 2 Jan 34 Matt 2 Paul 4 Rod 12 Ryan 2 Sean 2 Steve 16 Mike 2 Total 78 (Not 100 as Ih-update says) Still a lot though. Steve got 2. 2 . 2 and a 10. Will see what the programme says on Saturday.
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Post by texpef on Oct 27, 2006 11:21:24 GMT
to me "teams beating each other" is a great marketting ploy by the league and those teams that lose BUT teams that are serious about trophies tend to win regardless. Shame ted you werent around to see the borefest that was steelers last time they won the league but they managed to win games 1-0 or 2-1 doing just enough to get the points and that is what is needed by teams that have aspirations of winning the league title, as i am afraid belfast seem to be doing this year. We have had games in hand in previous season most notably last time we played in europe, however they count for NOTHING unless they get won, which, this year unless things change from this downward slump seems to be taking exactly the same path as all the other years. I truly hope we come out of this slump with a breathtaking display home and away this weekend but IF we dont then surely Ellis must see something dramatic needs to be done to break this depression and if that means we lose a player then so be it, do it. Afterall, it isnt like there arent better out there no matter how good your players are, especially with the NHL camps cutting there numbers right now. Wouldnt everyone prefer a year of success for a change rather than yet another year of excuses???
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Post by texpef on Oct 27, 2006 11:24:10 GMT
Oh and another thing teams that win trophies tend to win their home games or at least the majority we have now lost 2 out of six home games, who thinks thats good enough to win the league?
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 27, 2006 11:47:22 GMT
Oh and another thing teams that win trophies tend to win their home games or at least the majority we have now lost 2 out of six home games, who thinks thats good enough to win the league? The usual rule of thumb that I keep hearing is "2pts at home and 1pt away each weekend and you've won the league"... ie: a 75% return on possible points. We're currently on 15 from 22... or 68%. This early in the season, that's well in contention.
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Post by keefe a.k.a Donk on Oct 27, 2006 11:59:00 GMT
Tell you what shaggy, that post has actually cheered me up a little.... you keep us updated on the percentile of points and that way we will be able to see if we are in the running or not. That is actually a very good way at looking at it!
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 27, 2006 12:16:28 GMT
Tell you what shaggy, that post has actually cheered me up a little.... you keep us updated on the percentile of points and that way we will be able to see if we are in the running or not. That is actually a very good way at looking at it! Thank-you And here's a bit more perspective.... we've played for 22 points so far (winning 15 of them). There are another 86 points left to play for. We're only fractionally more than one-fifth of the way through the season. It's a long haul, and anything can yet happen....
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Post by texpef on Oct 27, 2006 12:23:29 GMT
still didnt answer the question about whether or not you think our home form is championship winning form with 2 losses out of six games though !!!
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 27, 2006 12:44:29 GMT
still didnt answer the question about whether or not you think our home form is championship winning form with 2 losses out of six games though !!! Honest answer - I don't know. It's far too early to tell.
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Post by paek on Oct 27, 2006 12:49:46 GMT
still didnt answer the question about whether or not you think our home form is championship winning form with 2 losses out of six games though !!! I'll answer and say it isn't championship winning form, but form can be regained as easily at it can be lost
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Post by texpef on Oct 27, 2006 14:21:26 GMT
i TOTALLY agree with you paek lets hope we do...
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