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Post by Rich on Apr 9, 2008 16:51:12 GMT
I think us and Coventry have both proved this season that you can be succesful without an enforcer. My first choice for the Steelers would be Derek Campbell from the Vipers. Not the most gifted player but works his backside off and got a healthy output of points last season (66) oh and he can certainly throw his fists with the best of them! Really? Ask Shmyrsy how well Campbell can throw them, it was probably the most one sided fight iv seen in recent years. The only thing Campbell threw was a sicky for the rest of the game. His passing and puck control is abysmal. He may be a good skater and a hard worker but there are brits out there who can do that. Cov and Sheff proved you can do well DESPITE not having an enforcer. Of course youll be more successful having Tess on your team than Corny, but thats not a reflection on your enforcer. To take your point, I think Hull and Bison have shown how NOT having an enforcer hurts your team over the course of the season. Both teams have had good results but once you deal with their fancy players and break down their D youve got nothing else, no plan B and no one to go out there and change momentum
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2008 16:53:34 GMT
I think us and Coventry have both proved this season that you can be succesful without an enforcer. My first choice for the Steelers would be Derek Campbell from the Vipers. Not the most gifted player but works his backside off and got a healthy output of points last season (66) oh and he can certainly throw his fists with the best of them! Really? Ask Shmyrsy how well Campbell can throw them, it was probably the most one sided fight iv seen in recent years. The only thing Campbell threw was a sicky for the rest of the game. His passing and puck control is abysmal. He may be a good skater and a hard worker but there are brits out there who can do that. Cov and Sheff proved you can do well DESPITE not having an enforcer. Of course youll be more successful having Tess on your team than Corny, but thats not a reflection on your enforcer. To take your point, I think Hull and Bison have shown how NOT having an enforcer hurts your team over the course of the season. Both teams have had good results but once you deal with their fancy players and break down their D youve got nothing else, no plan B and no one to go out there and change momentum Panthers this season proved you can be sucessful without a Enforcer too
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Post by Borussia10 on Apr 9, 2008 17:09:35 GMT
I think us and Coventry have both proved this season that you can be succesful without an enforcer. My first choice for the Steelers would be Derek Campbell from the Vipers. Not the most gifted player but works his backside off and got a healthy output of points last season (66) oh and he can certainly throw his fists with the best of them! Really? Ask Shmyrsy how well Campbell can throw them, it was probably the most one sided fight iv seen in recent years. The only thing Campbell threw was a sicky for the rest of the game. His passing and puck control is abysmal. He may be a good skater and a hard worker but there are brits out there who can do that. Cov and Sheff proved you can do well DESPITE not having an enforcer. Of course youll be more successful having Tess on your team than Corny, but thats not a reflection on your enforcer. To take your point, I think Hull and Bison have shown how NOT having an enforcer hurts your team over the course of the season. Both teams have had good results but once you deal with their fancy players and break down their D youve got nothing else, no plan B and no one to go out there and change momentum I'll have to take your word for that then as I didn't see the fight but the ones ive seen him in he can certainly handle himself! Can't take your point im afraid as Basingstoke never had a full strength team and Hull just didn't have the quality hence why they finished bottom! Do you really think having Shymr for example on their line-up would have made any difference? Campbell got 5 more points than Molin this season so he can't be that shabby!
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Post by Borussia10 on Apr 9, 2008 17:10:30 GMT
Really? Ask Shmyrsy how well Campbell can throw them, it was probably the most one sided fight iv seen in recent years. The only thing Campbell threw was a sicky for the rest of the game. His passing and puck control is abysmal. He may be a good skater and a hard worker but there are brits out there who can do that. Cov and Sheff proved you can do well DESPITE not having an enforcer. Of course youll be more successful having Tess on your team than Corny, but thats not a reflection on your enforcer. To take your point, I think Hull and Bison have shown how NOT having an enforcer hurts your team over the course of the season. Both teams have had good results but once you deal with their fancy players and break down their D youve got nothing else, no plan B and no one to go out there and change momentum Panthers this season proved you can be sucessful without a Enforcer too Judging by the talk hockey section not that succesful as theirs a thread about Ellis getting the sack!
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Post by john on Apr 9, 2008 18:07:00 GMT
Really? Ask Shmyrsy how well Campbell can throw them, it was probably the most one sided fight iv seen in recent years. The only thing Campbell threw was a sicky for the rest of the game. His passing and puck control is abysmal. He may be a good skater and a hard worker but there are brits out there who can do that. Cov and Sheff proved you can do well DESPITE not having an enforcer. Of course youll be more successful having Tess on your team than Corny, but thats not a reflection on your enforcer. To take your point, I think Hull and Bison have shown how NOT having an enforcer hurts your team over the course of the season. Both teams have had good results but once you deal with their fancy players and break down their D youve got nothing else, no plan B and no one to go out there and change momentum I'll have to take your word for that then as I didn't see the fight but the ones ive seen him in he can certainly handle himself! Can't take your point im afraid as Basingstoke never had a full strength team and Hull just didn't have the quality hence why they finished bottom! Do you really think having Shmyr for example on their line-up would have made any difference? Campbell got 5 more points than Molin this season so he can't be that shabby! I dint realise Molin had so low or Cambell had so high, so if he has more points and fight reasonably well why not sign him?!
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Post by ted on Apr 9, 2008 18:38:08 GMT
most fights I saw from last year involving campbell he didnt do too well... or the year before.
I thought from Saturday his passing was sloppy, a bit of fancy stick work......... hold on sounds like steve peltier! and hes a fan favorite
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Post by oldman on Apr 9, 2008 19:34:00 GMT
pelts fights better and doesn't look like a star trek extra with his helmet though!
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Post by Rich on Apr 9, 2008 20:20:30 GMT
Really? Ask Shmyrsy how well Campbell can throw them, it was probably the most one sided fight iv seen in recent years. The only thing Campbell threw was a sicky for the rest of the game. His passing and puck control is abysmal. He may be a good skater and a hard worker but there are brits out there who can do that. Cov and Sheff proved you can do well DESPITE not having an enforcer. Of course youll be more successful having Tess on your team than Corny, but thats not a reflection on your enforcer. To take your point, I think Hull and Bison have shown how NOT having an enforcer hurts your team over the course of the season. Both teams have had good results but once you deal with their fancy players and break down their D youve got nothing else, no plan B and no one to go out there and change momentum I'll have to take your word for that then as I didn't see the fight but the ones ive seen him in he can certainly handle himself! Can't take your point im afraid as Basingstoke never had a full strength team and Hull just didn't have the quality hence why they finished bottom! Do you really think having Shmyr for example on their line-up would have made any difference? Campbell got 5 more points than Molin this season so he can't be that shabby! Just like I cant take your point, if you are indeed even making the point that the top 2 winning stuff had anything to do with their enforcer, or lack of. Hull were a lost cause but teams enjoyed playing them. A couple of nasty players and a Shmyr type player wudnt have gone a miss so id say they would make 'any difference' but I agree the table wudnt look too different. Would have helped attendances too. Also with Bison, having someone to take the attention away from Brad Cruikshank would have helped although he has had a good season.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 10, 2008 8:54:03 GMT
pelts fights better and doesn't look like a star trek extra with his helmet though! Campbell would whoop Pelts, he's also a better player imo and knows his position which is always a good start
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Post by Borussia10 on Apr 10, 2008 12:04:52 GMT
pelts fights better and doesn't look like a star trek extra with his helmet though! Campbell would whoop Pelts, he's also a better player imo and knows his position which is always a good start Didn't Campbell also get the better of Bergin in a fight in Newcastle? I believe it was a sky game?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2008 12:05:37 GMT
Campbell would whoop Pelts, he's also a better player imo and knows his position which is always a good start Didn't Campbell also get the better of Bergin in a fight in Newcastle? I believe it was a sky game? No
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Post by Borussia10 on Apr 10, 2008 12:24:19 GMT
I'll have to take your word for that then as I didn't see the fight but the ones ive seen him in he can certainly handle himself! Can't take your point im afraid as Basingstoke never had a full strength team and Hull just didn't have the quality hence why they finished bottom! Do you really think having Shmyr for example on their line-up would have made any difference? Campbell got 5 more points than Molin this season so he can't be that shabby! Just like I cant take your point, if you are indeed even making the point that the top 2 winning stuff had anything to do with their enforcer, or lack of. Hull were a lost cause but teams enjoyed playing them. A couple of nasty players and a Shmyr type player wudnt have gone a miss so id say they would make 'any difference' but I agree the table wudnt look too different. Would have helped attendances too. Also with Bison, having someone to take the attention away from Brad Cruikshank would have helped although he has had a good season. Im making the point that we and Coventry can win something without an enforcer. At times its been frustrating but in the end it was the right decision not to have one. Riddle and Rankin could be nasty at times and Cole Byers did play some games for them.
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Post by rangers on Apr 10, 2008 12:30:53 GMT
On the vipers forum (neicehockey.co.uk) rumour that we are after both Sean McAslan and Brandin Cote. Dunno where the money for McAslan would come from though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2008 12:32:42 GMT
On the vipers forum (neicehockey.co.uk) rumour that we are after both Sean McAslan and Brandin Cote. Dunno where the money for McAslan would come from though. Not being funny but if Macca went anyway it would be into europe as i understand thats where his wife wants to go. Cote would be possibly but id be peeved off if he came back to another EIHL team
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Post by rangers on Apr 10, 2008 12:36:56 GMT
Yeah i doubt McAslan to us, for a wide variety of reasons. I didn't like Cote, but I guess he is a viper sort of player, gritty and can put up a point or two
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Post by dodit on Apr 10, 2008 15:35:34 GMT
Yeah i doubt McAslan to us, for a wide variety of reasons. I didn't like Cote, but I guess he is a viper sort of player, gritty and can put up a point or two I think he plays in a similar way as campbell does but campbell will get more penalties than cote, even though he got his fair share as well.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 10, 2008 16:15:48 GMT
I didn't like Cote, but I guess he is a viper sort of player, gritty and can put up a point or two I'd have him back in a flash. Could you imagine him centring a line of Molin and Wally - he's the top line centre they needed all season, who also has the speed to keep up with Jomo and Wally and the Grit and presence to give that line a bit more edge. But more importantly for me is his never quit attitude that was the origin of the original (now much doctored in cyberspace and re-used with other names) photograph of the US church sign: 'Jesus saves, but Cote scores on the rebound' He's also a natural born leader, as can be seen from his time at Norfolk and also from last season (06/07) when he captained Texas (ECHL) to their best ever season and some pretty impressive silverware.
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Post by supermattytrickett on Apr 10, 2008 19:23:18 GMT
For what it's worth, I heard the Bergin (to Phoenix) rumour mentioned in three seperate City Centre drinking establishments over the course of the weekend.
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Post by matt44 on Apr 10, 2008 21:07:35 GMT
Saying Lewis needs a backup is a joke! He battered Shmyr twice this season and only lost one fight all season. He's alot better player than Shmyr, throws his weight around without gooning it up. I agree with Nick though, if Shmyr went somewhere else he would be allowed to do what he wanted and would be a real handful. But if we had Lewis who cares, he can beat him. And whoever said "if ellis signs, shmyr stays"...............I wouldnt be so sure!
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Post by matt44 on Apr 10, 2008 21:16:04 GMT
I think us and Coventry have both proved this season that you can be succesful without an enforcer. My first choice for the Steelers would be Derek Campbell from the Vipers. Not the most gifted player but works his backside off and got a healthy output of points last season (66) oh and he can certainly throw his fists with the best of them! Not technically true though. Sheffield have Munn and Finnerty who will drop them. Although Munn isnt a recognised "enforcer" he is still a well known tough guy. Same as Coventry having KC Timmons. They also have 2 or 3 who will fight. I doubt that over the course of a full season it would be as successful for Sheffield for example than a month or 2 before the playoffs. Onto Derek Campbell, he's ok for a leight-heavyweight, against the likes of Bergin, Criukchank etc............... but put him against the likes of Payette, Shmyr, Clouthier, Lewis and he would get pasted!
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 11, 2008 9:02:48 GMT
Lewis got the better of Shmyr in both fights matt but I wouldn't class either as a battering ie Nieckar v Allison. Just bear in mind though in both fights Lewis was fresh from the bench and Shmyr had already played a shift. A very clever move by Lewis as it does make a difference
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Post by Rich on Apr 11, 2008 9:30:18 GMT
Saying Lewis needs a backup is a joke! He battered Shmyr twice this season and only lost one fight all season. He's alot better player than Shmyr, throws his weight around without gooning it up. I agree with Nick though, if Shmyr went somewhere else he would be allowed to do what he wanted and would be a real handful. But if we had Lewis who cares, he can beat him. And whoever said "if ellis signs, shmyr stays"...............I wouldnt be so sure! Thanks for branding my reply a 'joke', really helpful. If you read my post, I explained why. Nothing to do with the fact hes tough, I said it was because he doesnt do enough off the puck to intimidate, he comes on, does his thing, hits hard and drops the gloves when needed. He doesnt niggle and intimidate though so by backup I said he needed someone to do that. Bring back Rees to go with him and id be very happy! Agree with the rest,especially the last point
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Post by Ian on Apr 11, 2008 9:55:54 GMT
the origin of the original (now much doctored in cyberspace and re-used with other names) photograph of the US church sign: 'Jesus saves, but Cote scores on the rebound' I don't think Cote was the origin of that - it has been around for decades with different names. However, he was a good player who would do a job for any team in the EIHL with the right guys around him. Unfortunately for us, once Tessier left and Darling got injured, he was expected to win key faceoffs, agitate, hit, score, set up, fight etc. etc. Too much for one man, especially one who was playing injured himself for a large chunk of the year.
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 11, 2008 13:30:40 GMT
Lewis got the better of Shmyr in both fights matt but I wouldn't class either as a battering ie Nieckar v Allison. Just bear in mind though in both fights Lewis was fresh from the bench and Shmyr had already played a shift. A very clever move by Lewis as it does make a difference I'd of liked to have seen Shmyr wait for Lewis to finish a shift and give him the battering he deserves. But Ryan's got too much class for that. There's a difference between an enforcer and a cheap shotter. fighting a guy at the end of a shift is cheap IMO.
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Post by matt44 on Apr 11, 2008 13:54:53 GMT
Lewis got the better of Shmyr in both fights matt but I wouldn't class either as a battering ie Nieckar v Allison. Just bear in mind though in both fights Lewis was fresh from the bench and Shmyr had already played a shift. A very clever move by Lewis as it does make a difference Shmyr could've said no?! lol Either way, he well got the better of Shmyr. Rich, I think you are right that Lewis doesnt, from what i've seen, go out and niggle people.............but what he does is go out and play a physical game. The last 2 games against us on the podcast I noticed he was immense on the forecheck and caused us alot of problems, ATLEAST 2 of which they scored from. Thats one of the things the Panthers have been missing and I think he would do a very good job. I think if it called for it ie - a Payette, Cruikshank or Finnerty trying it on - he would more than give some back.
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