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Post by texpef on May 8, 2007 21:08:02 GMT
As far as the panthers are concerned since the NIC days financial stability has never been a problem, what has, has been the lack of success as one of the few clubs to have stuck to any rules, point is where has it got them as far as on ice success? Now several teams since have gone bust BUT and heres the cruncher it has led to several trophies (Afterall hasnt steelers been through several owners even quite recently? - norton lea in the early days was the messier till recently wasnt he?). Now i am not saying i agree here, but what alot of panthers fans feel is that they have paid their dues and now warrant a degree of success on ice leading to trophies in the cabinet...
and if it is necessary to use their resources (including financial clout) to do so then so be it, afterall what is good for chelsea is good for us... that is what i am saying Doom, although it is also true that a degree of instability within our small backwater league COULD lead to bad old days of the ISL where fewer and fewer teams felt they could compete.
You werent the only one around then Doom, just that fans of certain other teams had little to celebrate other than admiring steelers - amongst others - success and the fact that Panthers were the most expensive priced club and most financial stable (allegedly one of the few, maybe only team to make money in the ISL days) with nothing to show for it except perhaps a few small victories...
As i previously said i agree inbalance right now could not be good for what is percieved as the smaller clubs but dont blame panthers fans who tasted a little of what success feels like at the playoffs and want to have more....by whatever means possible...
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Post by maxfax on May 8, 2007 21:22:08 GMT
As far as the panthers are concerned since the NIC days financial stability has never been a problem, what has, has been the lack of success as one of the few clubs to have stuck to any rules, point is where has it got them as far as on ice success? Now several teams since have gone bust BUT and heres the cruncher it has led to several trophies (Afterall hasnt steelers been through several owners even quite recently? - norton lea in the early days was the [glow=red,2,300]messier[/glow] till recently wasnt he?). Now i am not saying i agree here, but what alot of panthers fans feel is that they have paid their dues and now warrant a degree of success on ice leading to trophies in the cabinet... and if it is necessary to use their resources (including financial clout) to do so then so be it, afterall what is good for chelsea is good for us... that is what i am saying Doom, although it is also true that a degree of instability within our small backwater league COULD lead to bad old days of the ISL where fewer and fewer teams felt they could compete. You werent the only one around then Doom, just that fans of certain other teams had little to celebrate other than admiring steelers - amongst others - success and the fact that Panthers were the most expensive priced club and most financial stable (allegedly one of the few, maybe only team to make money in the ISL days) with nothing to show for it except perhaps a few small victories... As i previously said i agree inbalance right now could not be good for what is percieved as the smaller clubs but dont blame panthers fans who tasted a little of what success feels like at the playoffs and want to have more....by whatever means possible... This Messier Texpef?
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Post by texpef on May 8, 2007 21:28:45 GMT
very good tony and he may as well be.... messiah.... so F.U. .......
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Post by gazzathedevil on May 8, 2007 23:02:19 GMT
As far as the panthers are concerned since the NIC days financial stability has never been a problem, what has, has been the lack of success as one of the few clubs to have stuck to any rules, point is where has it got them as far as on ice success? Now several teams since have gone bust BUT and heres the cruncher it has led to several trophies (Afterall hasnt steelers been through several owners even quite recently? - norton lea in the early days was the messier till recently wasnt he?). Now i am not saying i agree here, but what alot of panthers fans feel is that they have paid their dues and now warrant a degree of success on ice leading to trophies in the cabinet... and if it is necessary to use their resources (including financial clout) to do so then so be it, afterall what is good for chelsea is good for us... that is what i am saying Doom, although it is also true that a degree of instability within our small backwater league COULD lead to bad old days of the ISL where fewer and fewer teams felt they could compete. You werent the only one around then Doom, just that fans of certain other teams had little to celebrate other than admiring steelers - amongst others - success and the fact that Panthers were the most expensive priced club and most financial stable (allegedly one of the few, maybe only team to make money in the ISL days) with nothing to show for it except perhaps a few small victories... As i previously said i agree inbalance right now could not be good for what is percieved as the smaller clubs but dont blame panthers fans who tasted a little of what success feels like at the playoffs and want to have more....by whatever means possible... If it is financial clout in the terms of better housing, cars, sponsership perks then i would say as a fan of a smaller team financially (although with the new owners who knows ) all the more power to you. More financial clout in terms of blatant disregard of the wage cap then sorry we are as one league and all the clubs together on a highway to nothing once more.
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Post by grumpyminer on May 9, 2007 2:15:44 GMT
.... afterall what is good for chelsea is good for us... What's that? Splash the cash and still finish 2nd!!! IMO we should take the cap to the limit, use any loopholes we can but if one other team goes to the wall because of it....then it is just not worth it. A 12 or even 14 team Elite league is what we should be aiming for, with half of them playing in Arena type buildings....please.
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Post by loveday on May 9, 2007 8:56:51 GMT
Well. I just wish that Panthers would at least SIGN someone this week.
Reading yesterday's and then today's announcements and Steelers have another one tomorrow, all I want is that we have something positive for OUR Team instead of all these rumours.
COME ON YOU PANTHERS.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2007 8:59:44 GMT
You re not the only one, its getting tiresome .. rumour after rumour after rumour.
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Post by Rich on May 9, 2007 9:03:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2007 9:11:03 GMT
I would love Flich to come back ;D ;D
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Post by jd on May 9, 2007 9:48:10 GMT
Same here, he does have a point though! Does he really?! Yep, look at the trophies they have won in last 3 years and compare it to you guys
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Post by barnsleyfan on May 9, 2007 12:17:51 GMT
Ah but that doesn't mean we aren't geared to winning trophies as an organisation does it?! In the modern era, along with the Blaze, we are one of the most successful teams in the country ( don't mention the grand slam please ). And I thoroughly believe that after the last 3 years of re-building what was a shot to pieces organisation off the ice, we will be competing for all 4 trophies this season. There is the belief and determination by the off-ice staff as well as the players so far, that trophies will be coming back up here. I think the fact we have signed up a solid core of LEADERS as well as players, so far, tells its own story.
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Post by jd on May 9, 2007 12:23:16 GMT
We'll see, you have signed some good players so far, just depends who the rest if us sign (obvious i know) but the Coventry fans have resigned Trevor and if they get Weaver then they have the basis for a solid D.
Just wish Panthers would start signing too
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Post by mattscold on May 9, 2007 12:55:10 GMT
I think the fact we have signed up a solid core of LEADERS as well as players, so far, tells its own story. true but that isn't necessarily a good thing is it? Surely you want Team players rather than alot of leaders? just a thought
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Post by barnsleyfan on May 9, 2007 13:12:51 GMT
Mmm true. But with regards to last season we didn't have enough leadership on the ice IMO to hold out in games we should have won, as well as players who didn't show up week in, week out. When you have Maltby as your captain it says it all!
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Post by ozrollersnake-in-exile on May 10, 2007 23:30:05 GMT
Back onto us 'splashing the cash', and in the wake of the signings of Corey and PC.
From the mouth of David Clarke, Panthers are about to unveil a very very big signing (thats almost a direct quote), but he wouldnt give me a name.
What with that, and the fact he has played with PC, I'm going for Smith still.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2007 0:11:12 GMT
I think Smith is a certainty now tbh
if this has come from Clarkie may he be staying in Nottingham now ?
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Post by Frodo on May 11, 2007 0:27:24 GMT
Oh what an anouncement that would be Clarke and Smith!
TBH can only see one of those guys being with notts next year and if by all accounts, combined with the various rumours side its more likely to be Smith than Clarke.
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Post by ozrollersnake-in-exile on May 11, 2007 0:43:31 GMT
David would not be drawn on his own future, which doesnt fill me with confidence
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Post by Frodo on May 11, 2007 1:00:49 GMT
not a huge surprise but hey, the longer it carries on the more he's thinking about certain offers! as said either one will do me.
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Post by Shorty on May 11, 2007 6:05:39 GMT
I would have thought Clarke would have signed for another team as soon as the season had ended given all the speculation about him. The longer it takes him to sign somewhere, the more hope I guess we build up.
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Post by 5+game on May 11, 2007 8:11:19 GMT
Back onto us 'splashing the cash', and in the wake of the signings of Corey and PC. From the mouth of David Clarke, Panthers are about to unveil a very very big signing (thats almost a direct quote), but he wouldnt give me a name. What with that, and the fact he has played with PC, I'm going for Smith still. im going for Zdeno Chara at 6'8 he would be a big signing and cost a few quid too ;D ;D
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Post by heja on May 11, 2007 11:09:00 GMT
heard something about McAslan that will be very good news
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Post by Dan on May 11, 2007 12:09:38 GMT
we can hardly splash the cash as were stuck to a wage cap although i personally wonder why we dont use loopholes like paying for accomodation etc to get better quality players, i mean if we could afford to spend the cap or at least most of it in the ISL then i dont see why we cant spend more now. Nick I personally don't agree with the notion of a cap, but that's another story... Why so Shin? It seems to work well enough..
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Post by sunbeam on May 11, 2007 13:06:08 GMT
Panthers do pay accomodation and other expenses. Have done for years.
There are loads of ways of getting around a cap if it is poorly run. Sports like rugby and American sports are well-run but let's be honest, do any of us think UK hockey is well run.
Panthers (allegedly) spent huge in the 'Goon season' and I expect them to do it again. I suspect Black is determined to finally win the league.
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Post by Doom on May 11, 2007 13:22:24 GMT
There's currently a similar discussion taking place on Steeltalk, here's what Dave Simms posted, I thought it might be of interest to you:
Regards
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