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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2024 23:43:45 GMT
How many coaches come in and see it click in their first season? Before a puck was dropped this season, many were laughing that Steelers coach was still employed. They have stuck with him, added year on year and have reaped the rewards. Parades has a good record over time, and can be forgiven for this year given the AJ situation. His stock was / is still high after his record in France to improve teams over time. Go for an overseas coach again and you have to give them a season (or two) to create any serious impact. I can’t think of many coaches who were only here a very short time, but two who were and won a trophy were Ben Simon at Sheffield and Chuck Weber at Coventry. So it can be done. The old saying “It has to take time” is just an excuse used by those who fail. There are plenty of coaches in the EIHL who have been here years like Stewart, Dixon,Pacha and Dutiame who have won absolutely nothing.
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Post by jd on Mar 16, 2024 23:44:45 GMT
Like Gary Graham or Rich Chernomaz?! They still have a higher success rate than a European lol Yet they won nothing at panthers and didn’t last a season. Didn’t have to content with a player dying on the ice though did they? Didn’t have to go through that.
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Post by jd on Mar 16, 2024 23:47:06 GMT
How many coaches come in and see it click in their first season? Before a puck was dropped this season, many were laughing that Steelers coach was still employed. They have stuck with him, added year on year and have reaped the rewards. Parades has a good record over time, and can be forgiven for this year given the AJ situation. His stock was / is still high after his record in France to improve teams over time. Go for an overseas coach again and you have to give them a season (or two) to create any serious impact. I can’t think of many coaches who were only here a very short time, but two who were and won a trophy were Ben Simon at Sheffield and Chuck Weber at Coventry. So it can be done. The old saying “It has to take time” is just an excuse used by those who fail. There are plenty of coaches in the EIHL who have been here years like Stewart, Dixon,Pacha and Dutiame who have won absolutely nothing. So it’s an excuse to say it’ll take time and then you say only 2 have done it straight away?! So it’s not an excuse?! Fox has been given time and look what he has done. Sheffield could have sacked him after a season but they didn’t. Could have sacked him after he lost to us in the Covid season but they didn’t.
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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2024 23:58:37 GMT
I can’t think of many coaches who were only here a very short time, but two who were and won a trophy were Ben Simon at Sheffield and Chuck Weber at Coventry. So it can be done. The old saying “It has to take time” is just an excuse used by those who fail. There are plenty of coaches in the EIHL who have been here years like Stewart, Dixon,Pacha and Dutiame who have won absolutely nothing. So it’s an excuse to say it’ll take time and then you say only 2 have done it straight away?! So it’s not an excuse?! Fox has been given time and look what he has done. Sheffield could have sacked him after a season but they didn’t. Could have sacked him after he lost to us in the Covid season but they didn’t. If you read my post properly I said I can’t think of many who were only here a short time,but two who were are Simon and Weber. Barring Panthers there is not a huge pool of short term coaches is there,but to suggest a coach can’t come in and win a trophy quickly, well I’ve just proved it can be done.
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Post by DMS on Mar 17, 2024 0:50:42 GMT
How many coaches come in and see it click in their first season? Before a puck was dropped this season, many were laughing that Steelers coach was still employed. They have stuck with him, added year on year and have reaped the rewards. Parades has a good record over time, and can be forgiven for this year given the AJ situation. His stock was / is still high after his record in France to improve teams over time. Go for an overseas coach again and you have to give them a season (or two) to create any serious impact. Unfortunately I feel Paredes will leave at the end of the season, you get the impression the situation has taken its toll on him. But I do agree with you though, you have to give a coach time/ numerous seasons to build a team. If Paredes does want to stay and try and building something then great, if not, where do we look? Bruce Richardson maybe? Bruce has had his time in this league, is building a very nice career for himself after his time in the QMJHL and now in the junior ranks of the team Canada set up, coming back to the EIHL would be a massive career regression for him.
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Post by wgray on Mar 17, 2024 1:15:01 GMT
Unfortunately I feel Paredes will leave at the end of the season, you get the impression the situation has taken its toll on him. But I do agree with you though, you have to give a coach time/ numerous seasons to build a team. If Paredes does want to stay and try and building something then great, if not, where do we look? Bruce Richardson maybe? Bruce has had his time in this league, is building a very nice career for himself after his time in the QMJHL and now in the junior ranks of the team Canada set up, coming back to the EIHL would be a massive career regression for him. Agreed, it probably would be a strange move for Bruce in his current position. I’m probably just looking back with rose tinted glasses and reminiscing slightly. I like the idea of a team being built and led by Bruce Richardson in Nottingham though
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Post by iginla on Mar 17, 2024 9:49:42 GMT
Bruce has had his time in this league, is building a very nice career for himself after his time in the QMJHL and now in the junior ranks of the team Canada set up, coming back to the EIHL would be a massive career regression for him. Agreed, it probably would be a strange move for Bruce in his current position. I’m probably just looking back with rose tinted glasses and reminiscing slightly. I like the idea of a team being built and led by Bruce Richardson in Nottingham though Bruce Richardson would be a good choice. In my opinion he more than anybody turned the Panthers around by instilling a will to win. Sadly when he left so did Panthers new found hard nosed mentality.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 10:45:29 GMT
Agreed, it probably would be a strange move for Bruce in his current position. I’m probably just looking back with rose tinted glasses and reminiscing slightly. I like the idea of a team being built and led by Bruce Richardson in Nottingham though Bruce Richardson would be a good choice. In my opinion he more than anybody turned the Panthers around by instilling a will to win. Sadly when he left so did Panthers new found hard nosed mentality. Agree there. He'd give the panthers a identity similar to what Stewart has done in Coventry he certainly wouldn't accept the panthers roll over against Sheffield like they have the last few years! Would love him to return .
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Post by jd on Mar 17, 2024 16:08:22 GMT
No chance he will come back here, massive step down for him.
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Post by Jono Bullard on Mar 17, 2024 16:13:28 GMT
Agreed, it probably would be a strange move for Bruce in his current position. I’m probably just looking back with rose tinted glasses and reminiscing slightly. I like the idea of a team being built and led by Bruce Richardson in Nottingham though Bruce Richardson would be a good choice. In my opinion he more than anybody turned the Panthers around by instilling a will to win. Sadly when he left so did Panthers new found hard nosed mentality. Yep, that hard nosed mentality was missing so much that we only won 7 trophies out of the 9 available in the 3 seasons after Bruce left...
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Post by jd on Mar 17, 2024 16:20:16 GMT
Bruce Richardson would be a good choice. In my opinion he more than anybody turned the Panthers around by instilling a will to win. Sadly when he left so did Panthers new found hard nosed mentality. Yep, that hard nosed mentality was missing so much that we only won 7 trophies out of the 9 available in the 3 seasons after Bruce left... Don’t let facts get in the way of an ex fans views Jono lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 17:42:10 GMT
No chance he will come back here, massive step down for him. Everything is a step down coming to panthers tbh 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 17:43:31 GMT
Bruce Richardson would be a good choice. In my opinion he more than anybody turned the Panthers around by instilling a will to win. Sadly when he left so did Panthers new found hard nosed mentality. Yep, that hard nosed mentality was missing so much that we only won 7 trophies out of the 9 available in the 3 seasons after Bruce left... And how many years ago did panthers win that 7th trophy? .. 🤣
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Post by Jono Bullard on Mar 17, 2024 18:22:23 GMT
Yep, that hard nosed mentality was missing so much that we only won 7 trophies out of the 9 available in the 3 seasons after Bruce left... And how many years ago did panthers win that 7th trophy? .. 🤣 That wasn’t the point being made though.
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Post by iginla on Mar 17, 2024 19:00:39 GMT
Bruce Richardson would be a good choice. In my opinion he more than anybody turned the Panthers around by instilling a will to win. Sadly when he left so did Panthers new found hard nosed mentality. Yep, that hard nosed mentality was missing so much that we only won 7 trophies out of the 9 available in the 3 seasons after Bruce left... Yes the hard nosed mentality that he instilled into the Brit pack and Neilson that stayed with them for a while before they all either left,were fired,retired or got sacked !
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Post by Jono Bullard on Mar 17, 2024 19:07:33 GMT
Yep, that hard nosed mentality was missing so much that we only won 7 trophies out of the 9 available in the 3 seasons after Bruce left... Yes the hard nosed mentality that he instilled into the Brit pack and Neilson that stayed with them for a while before they all either left,were fired,retired or got sacked ! You didn’t say that though. You said, and I quote “Sadly when he left so did Panthers new found hard nosed mentality.” So did it it leave when he left or didn’t it?
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Post by iginla on Mar 17, 2024 19:18:04 GMT
Yes the hard nosed mentality that he instilled into the Brit pack and Neilson that stayed with them for a while before they all either left,were fired,retired or got sacked ! You didn’t say that though. You said, and I quote “Sadly when he left so did Panthers new found hard nosed mentality.” So did it it leave when he left or didn’t it? He left,his influence would stay with those that he influenced. Unless you think the likes of Clarkey,Lee and Levers etc suddenly thought “oh Bruce’s gone now we can go back to being lazy” !
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Post by bobness on Mar 17, 2024 19:18:22 GMT
It's like playing chess with a pigeon... Semi-literally, sometimes.
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Post by Jono Bullard on Mar 17, 2024 19:23:43 GMT
You didn’t say that though. You said, and I quote “Sadly when he left so did Panthers new found hard nosed mentality.” So did it it leave when he left or didn’t it? He left,his influence would stay with those that he influenced. Unless you think the likes of Clarkey,Lee and Levers etc suddenly thought “oh Bruce’s gone now we can go back to being lazy” ! And yet again, for a third time, that's not what you said is it? You said that mentality left when Bruce left. You said nothing originally about that mentality staying with the Brits and Corey, you very clearly said it left when Bruce left. It's OK to be wrong you know. It's also OK to put your hands up and admit you were wrong. But if you want to keep digging a hole, be my guest.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 17, 2024 19:45:19 GMT
No idea why this film sprang to mind. Maybe someone can help me out... Fletch: "It takes a big man to admit he is wrong. I am NOT a big man"
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Post by jd on Mar 17, 2024 19:47:50 GMT
It's like playing chess with a pigeon... Semi-literally, sometimes. Bit harsh that Bob, on pigeons
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Post by Yotes on Mar 17, 2024 20:03:40 GMT
No idea why this film sprang to mind. Maybe someone can help me out... View AttachmentFletch: "It takes a big man to admit he is wrong. I am NOT a big man" The last time goal posts moved this much Clan had to buy themselves some new pegs.
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Post by iginla on Mar 17, 2024 20:24:42 GMT
He left,his influence would stay with those that he influenced. Unless you think the likes of Clarkey,Lee and Levers etc suddenly thought “oh Bruce’s gone now we can go back to being lazy” ! And yet again, for a third time, that's not what you said is it? You said that mentality left when Bruce left. You said nothing originally about that mentality staying with the Brits and Corey, you very clearly said it left when Bruce left. It's OK to be wrong you know. It's also OK to put your hands up and admit you were wrong. But if you want to keep digging a hole, be my guest. I’m not digging I know what I meant. Both can be true,depends how you want to read it,a player who had Bruce’s ethos instilled into him doesn’t lose it,but the club lost his when he left. It’s ok to admit somebody else deserves some credit other than your beloved Corey. Blimey when I criticise a player it’s Iggy being Iggy and when I praise a player it’s still Iggy being Iggy. 🙄
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Post by Jono Bullard on Mar 17, 2024 20:34:11 GMT
And yet again, for a third time, that's not what you said is it? You said that mentality left when Bruce left. You said nothing originally about that mentality staying with the Brits and Corey, you very clearly said it left when Bruce left. It's OK to be wrong you know. It's also OK to put your hands up and admit you were wrong. But if you want to keep digging a hole, be my guest. I’m not digging I know what I meant. Both can be true,depends how you want to read it,a player who had Bruce’s ethos instilled into him doesn’t lose it,but the club lost his when he left. It’s ok to admit somebody else deserves some credit other than your beloved Corey. Blimey when I criticise a player it’s Iggy being Iggy and when I praise a player it’s still Iggy being Iggy. 🙄 Yep, pigeon playing chess.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 17, 2024 20:42:30 GMT
Sadly when he left so did Panthers new found hard nosed mentality. So to clarify: this means both that the mentality stayed but also that it left. That clear now folks? Who knew it was such an ambiguous statement? Maybe don't fence sit so much next time to avoid the confusion 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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