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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2024 0:28:46 GMT
Neilson was ok for a few years when he started. Poor league record though. Then he got bored,didn’t seem bothered and looked and sounded like he was just going through the motions. It went stale,he stayed far too long and since then the club has been a massive mess ! But don’t forget in Coreys best years,both Sheffield and Cardiff were in a mess with/after Phillips and Regan. Only coach to the win the league for us since what, 1956? Won so many playoffs and challenge cups and then the continental trophy. All that whilst having a poor owner. Wonder what he could have done with a proper budget eh! Must have killed you when he won the league hahahaha I loved it when he won the league,I was there in Belfast when they did it. That was a good team that was built properly, the only real quality Panthers team I saw in 20 years of watching them. Then it all fell apart and it’s gone further and further downhill year by year since then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2024 0:39:04 GMT
Only coach to the win the league for us since what, 1956? Won so many playoffs and challenge cups and then the continental trophy. All that whilst having a poor owner. Wonder what he could have done with a proper budget eh! Must have killed you when he won the league hahahaha I loved it when he won the league,I was there in Belfast when they did it. That was a good team that was built properly, the only real quality Panthers team I saw in 20 years of watching them. Then it all fell apart and it’s gone further and further downhill year by year since then. I do actually feel for this new crop of panthers fan, they weren't around when panthers were good and probably will never see this team be successful. So finishing anywhere between 6th to 10th will be the norm I'm afraid
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Post by jd on Mar 16, 2024 8:27:09 GMT
Need NB to go but that won’t happen sadly. Sheffield have a proper owner who will make sure they’re up the top every year, if only we had that
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Post by bobness on Mar 16, 2024 8:39:19 GMT
I’d love to know the stats for how many times we conceded a goal within 2-3 minutes after we’ve scored. Seems to be every game where we score, and then immediately let one in. According to my logic and maths (and a spreadsheet, of course), Panthers have scored in a game, and the next goal been an opposition goal, 70 times this season. Of those 70, 19 of the "reply goals" have been under 2 minutes later, and a further 5 under 3 minutes later. 8 of the 19 were under a minute later. If you take it out to 4 minutes, it's nearly half, 33. (With the 34th quickest at 4:02.) Of the 19, 8 happened in the first period, 3 in the second and 8 in the third. Only 1 of the 19 came in a game won in regulation, 3 in SOWs. That does feel like a lot to me. Happy for someone to check my workings.
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Post by TjPanther on Mar 16, 2024 8:49:01 GMT
I’d love to know the stats for how many times we conceded a goal within 2-3 minutes after we’ve scored. Seems to be every game where we score, and then immediately let one in. According to my logic and maths (and a spreadsheet, of course), Panthers have scored in a game, and the next goal been an opposition goal, 70 times this season. Of those 70, 19 of the "reply goals" have been under 2 minutes later, and a further 5 under 3 minutes later. 8 of the 19 were under a minute later. If you take it out to 4 minutes, it's nearly half, 33. (With the 34th quickest at 4:02.) Of the 19, 8 happened in the first period, 3 in the second and 8 in the third. That does feel like a lot to me. Happy for someone to check my workings. Cheers mate 👍🏻
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Post by bobness on Mar 16, 2024 8:53:02 GMT
I loved it when he won the league,I was there in Belfast when they did it. That was a good team that was built properly, the only real quality Panthers team I saw in 20 years of watching them. Then it all fell apart and it’s gone further and further downhill year by year since then. I do actually feel for this new crop of panthers fan, they weren't around when panthers were good and probably will never see this team be successful. So finishing anywhere between 6th to 10th will be the norm I'm afraid Most (in fact all up to last and this) of the last few seasons have seen Panthers in the top 5, so "6-10" is hardly any kind of new norm. Up to March 20, Panthers were the form team in the league, with a very well balanced team. A duff team last season, we all know that, and an unprecedented, fractured, tragic season this is all we can tell from the last 2 years.
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Post by jd on Mar 16, 2024 9:20:36 GMT
I do actually feel for this new crop of panthers fan, they weren't around when panthers were good and probably will never see this team be successful. So finishing anywhere between 6th to 10th will be the norm I'm afraid Most (in fact all up to last and this) of the last few seasons have seen Panthers in the top 5, so "6-10" is hardly any kind of new norm. Up to March 20, Panthers were the form team in the league, with a very well balanced team. A duff team last season, we all know that, and an unprecedented, fractured, tragic season this is all we can tell from the last 2 years. Spot on
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 16, 2024 9:21:45 GMT
I might be wrong and I can't be bothered to check, but I think the last time Panthers failed to qualify for post season play was 1983-4 season. 84-85 they qualified after a final day win in Streatham and have always reached the group stage or qf final since. Apart from covid season of course.
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Post by Higgy on Mar 16, 2024 9:27:36 GMT
Caruso has probably been our best defenceman this season and Neill makes so much happen offensively....both are massive misses for this team. Having a young 21 year old Brit in goal who’s never won a game before and missing your best Dman is quite a miss too. But Dundee didn’t let that stop them tonight. And only having 14 skaters didn’t stop Fife on Tuesday night either. Come on,losing to both Fife and Dundee the 8th and 9th placed small budget teams in the space of four days is pretty shocking. Yeah I am aware the results are poor, it is no coincidence that our 2 best D men are out and we have lost both games. Neill must be the fittest d man we have as the others just cannot log his type of minutes and it shows.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2024 9:37:58 GMT
I do actually feel for this new crop of panthers fan, they weren't around when panthers were good and probably will never see this team be successful. So finishing anywhere between 6th to 10th will be the norm I'm afraid Most (in fact all up to last and this) of the last few seasons have seen Panthers in the top 5, so "6-10" is hardly any kind of new norm. Up to March 20, Panthers were the form team in the league, with a very well balanced team. A duff team last season, we all know that, and an unprecedented, fractured, tragic season this is all we can tell from the last 2 years. Top 5 makes you believe panther's were contenders.. how many points were they behind the eventual champions those years?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2024 9:40:36 GMT
I might be wrong and I can't be bothered to check, but I think the last time Panthers failed to qualify for post season play was 1983-4 season. 84-85 they qualified after a final day win in Streatham and have always reached the group stage or qf final since. Apart from covid season of course. Wow that's absolutely shocking.. and in those 40 years panthers have had some pretty horrific teams as well and we were punching above our weight in the early ISL years and still qualified
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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2024 9:59:41 GMT
I do actually feel for this new crop of panthers fan, they weren't around when panthers were good and probably will never see this team be successful. So finishing anywhere between 6th to 10th will be the norm I'm afraid Most (in fact all up to last and this) of the last few seasons have seen Panthers in the top 5, so "6-10" is hardly any kind of new norm. Up to March 20, Panthers were the form team in the league, with a very well balanced team. A duff team last season, we all know that, and an unprecedented, fractured, tragic season this is all we can tell from the last 2 years. I think what Pidge is suggesting there Bob is that a 6-10 finish will be the new norm,not that it has been the norm. There is a difference. Personally,unless Black goes,I would lean towards 4-6 still being the norm in future.
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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2024 10:08:25 GMT
Having a young 21 year old Brit in goal who’s never won a game before and missing your best Dman is quite a miss too. But Dundee didn’t let that stop them tonight. And only having 14 skaters didn’t stop Fife on Tuesday night either. Come on,losing to both Fife and Dundee the 8th and 9th placed small budget teams in the space of four days is pretty shocking. Yeah I am aware the results are poor, it is no coincidence that our 2 best D men are out and we have lost both games. Neill must be the fittest d man we have as the others just cannot log his type of minutes and it shows. I just look at Neill’s plus/minus stats at minus 20, close to being the worst in the league. He may well play a lot of minutes,but with those stats maybe he shouldn’t be. If his points scoring output was higher from all those minutes as you might expect then that might be an argument,but his points scoring is quite poor considering he spends almost half a game on the ice and he’s on the PP. For comparison his points scored of 1+25 are less than Ben O’Connor and Brady Norrish’s.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2024 10:08:30 GMT
Most (in fact all up to last and this) of the last few seasons have seen Panthers in the top 5, so "6-10" is hardly any kind of new norm. Up to March 20, Panthers were the form team in the league, with a very well balanced team. A duff team last season, we all know that, and an unprecedented, fractured, tragic season this is all we can tell from the last 2 years. I think what Pidge is suggesting there Bob is that a 6-10 finish will be the new norm,not that it has been the norm. There is a difference. Personally,unless Black goes,I would lean towards 4-6 still being the norm in future. Exactly mate panthers are just chuntering along in neutral yet the likes of Guildford, Manchester etc are improving which push panthers further down the table. There is no so called easy winnable cannon fodder anymore like Edinburgh used to be. Panthers may not be getting worse, other teams are getting better but management don't seem bothered one bit .. This no quarter final will sting the most No game = No revenue You never know it may kick blacky into action.. I wouldn't hold my breathe though
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Post by spik on Mar 16, 2024 10:21:18 GMT
I might be wrong and I can't be bothered to check, but I think the last time Panthers failed to qualify for post season play was 1983-4 season. 84-85 they qualified after a final day win in Streatham and have always reached the group stage or qf final since. Apart from covid season of course. Non qualifiers 46/47... 80/81...Icy-Smith Cup non entrants, did not qualify 81/82...English league non qualifier though we finished 2nd, Blackpool as a regional winner chosen 82/83...non qualifier 83/84...non qualifier 84/85... non qualifier So your correct. Remembering all qualified in certain seasons.
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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2024 10:48:11 GMT
I think what Pidge is suggesting there Bob is that a 6-10 finish will be the new norm,not that it has been the norm. There is a difference. Personally,unless Black goes,I would lean towards 4-6 still being the norm in future. Exactly mate panthers are just chuntering along in neutral yet the likes of Guildford, Manchester etc are improving which push panthers further down the table. There is no so called easy winnable cannon fodder anymore like Edinburgh used to be. Panthers may not be getting worse, other teams are getting better but management don't seem bothered one bit .. This no quarter final will sting the most No game = No revenue You never know it may kick blacky into action.. I wouldn't hold my breathe though And according to Blacky his business strategy is…”the following seasons budget is based on the previous seasons figures”. Oh dear ! 🙈
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Post by rexkramer on Mar 16, 2024 11:04:59 GMT
Credit where its due, the off-ice side looks to have done pretty well this year. The arena feels busier (albeit driven by the tragedy and a feeling amongst the fans of pulling together), the various tickets/draws seem to be generating income as well as they regularly sell out (though not to Steelers levels on 50:50). But I guess we're missing 2 or 3 home challenge cup games alongside a play-off quarter final.
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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2024 11:23:46 GMT
Credit where its due, the off-ice side looks to have done pretty well this year. The arena feels busier (albeit driven by the tragedy and a feeling amongst the fans of pulling together), the various tickets/draws seem to be generating income as well as they regularly sell out (though not to Steelers levels on 50:50). But I guess we're missing 2 or 3 home challenge cup games alongside a play-off quarter final. Yes all the draws will produce income but crowds haven’t been great,no significant increase there and only boosted sometimes by more and more cut price tickets which is false economy unless those people come back.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 16, 2024 11:36:40 GMT
I might be wrong and I can't be bothered to check, but I think the last time Panthers failed to qualify for post season play was 1984-5 season. 85-86 they qualified after a final day win in Streatham and have always reached the group stage or qf final since. Apart from covid season of course. Non qualifiers 46/47... 80/81...Icy-Smith Cup non entrants, did not qualify 81/82...English league non qualifier though we finished 2nd, Blackpool as a regional winner chosen 82/83...non qualifier 83/84...non qualifier 84/85... non qualifier So your correct. Remembering all qualified in certain seasons. 85/86 was the season they first qualified for playoffs. Lost all 4 games in a three team mini league with Dundee and Murrayfield. That was my first year of attending.
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Post by bobness on Mar 16, 2024 12:30:02 GMT
Most (in fact all up to last and this) of the last few seasons have seen Panthers in the top 5, so "6-10" is hardly any kind of new norm. Up to March 20, Panthers were the form team in the league, with a very well balanced team. A duff team last season, we all know that, and an unprecedented, fractured, tragic season this is all we can tell from the last 2 years. I think what Pidge is suggesting there Bob is that a 6-10 finish will be the new norm,not that it has been the norm. There is a difference. Personally,unless Black goes,I would lean towards 4-6 still being the norm in future. That's not what he said though. In any case, there's pretty much nothing to suggest that a future 6-10 finish will be anything like a new "norm". You'd be a fool to judge the future giving any weight to this season's performance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2024 12:49:38 GMT
I think what Pidge is suggesting there Bob is that a 6-10 finish will be the new norm,not that it has been the norm. There is a difference. Personally,unless Black goes,I would lean towards 4-6 still being the norm in future. That's not what he said though. In any case, there's pretty much nothing to suggest that a future 6-10 finish will be anything like a new "norm". You'd be a fool to judge the future giving any weight to this season's performance. Like you'd be a fool to think panthers would have been a top 4 team without the tradegy..
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 16, 2024 12:58:49 GMT
There will be those who will largely look at the positives, those that are in the middle, those that are always negative and then Pidge & Iginla. I'm in a camp of middle to negative in recent years, but also fall into the camp that largely gives them a pass this season. I will call a performance as I see it, I will say what I think may be contributing to on ice performances, but I'll accept we will finish where we finish and move on. Next season my expectations will be back to what I believe Panthers should be achieving.
Regardless of the league position it's been a refreshing change to go through most of the season with a more positive outlook on the team and getting behind them.
Behind Sheffield it has been one of the most competitive leagues in many years. We are 10th but only 12 points off 4th. Win the previous 2 and we'd have been 8th with a realistic chance of 6th. The wheels have come off a bit with the heavy schedule, injuries and some poor individual performances at the wrong time. I'm frustrated, deflated and unhappy about it, but i'm not angry about it. Now it's time to just enjoy the last few games for what they are. Look for small wins, perhaps prevent Sheffield winning it on our ice. Then you never know. A few good results and we could have a few games at the end to be excited about creeping in.
Win or lose I'd even be quite happy to play Sheffield in the play offs, just to have that paly off game buzz.
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 16, 2024 13:00:56 GMT
That's not what he said though. In any case, there's pretty much nothing to suggest that a future 6-10 finish will be anything like a new "norm". You'd be a fool to judge the future giving any weight to this season's performance. Like you'd be a fool to think panthers would have been a top 4 team without the tradegy.. I dont think competing for the league would've hapoened, but considering Belfast have been poor and the rest are much of a muchness I think we could've easily competed for 4th and maybe even 3rd this season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2024 13:06:57 GMT
Like you'd be a fool to think panthers would have been a top 4 team without the tradegy.. I dont think competing for the league would've hapoened, but considering Belfast have been poor and the rest are much of a muchness I think we could've easily competed for 4th and maybe even 3rd this season. Yes but back in October not many would have predicted Belfast to be so hot and cold throughout the season. Panthers always seem to lose points in those greasy mid week games . And win those big profile Saturday night Cardiff ones . They'll continue to be down the bottom until they sort out that god awful defence and netminding irrespective of how many points the likes of Roy and Michaud rake up
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Post by bobness on Mar 16, 2024 13:24:42 GMT
That's not what he said though. In any case, there's pretty much nothing to suggest that a future 6-10 finish will be anything like a new "norm". You'd be a fool to judge the future giving any weight to this season's performance. Like you'd be a fool to think panthers would have been a top 4 team without the tradegy.. To be fair, you had them in 5th. Behind Glasgow, though...
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