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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 7:56:10 GMT
I hear a rumour in the stands that Neill has a broken hand.? They are also waiting on Logan, from where we sat it looked like he also was wearing a black splint on his left hand. I’d be very surprised if we see any of this team back next season and that includes The coach and a lot of that is to do with Adam. I’m sorry I really just don’t buy this. If the players were that deeply scarred by what happened then they should have already left like Bjorkung chose to do. Yes those couple of months after when it was still raw must have been very difficult and it visibly was it was plain for all to see. But overall the group seems to have recovered and gained some confidence and enjoyment again and the AJ tragedy just can’t be dragged up to be used as an excuse now whenever we play badly or to decide what their futures will be. It happened and nothing will change that whether players decide to stay or go and I think the players are smart enough to know that and shouldn’t have any bearing on future decisions
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 8:12:37 GMT
I hear a rumour in the stands that Neill has a broken hand.? They are also waiting on Logan, from where we sat it looked like he also was wearing a black splint on his left hand. I’d be very surprised if we see any of this team back next season and that includes The coach and a lot of that is to do with Adam. I’m sorry I really just don’t buy this. If the players were that deeply scarred by what happened then they should have already left like Bjorkung chose to do. Yes those couple of months after when it was still raw must have been very difficult and it visibly was it was plain for all to see. But overall the group seems to have recovered and gained some confidence and enjoyment again and the AJ tragedy just can’t be dragged up to be used as an excuse now whenever we play badly or to decide what their futures will be. It happened and nothing will change that whether players decide to stay or go and I think the players are smart enough to know that and shouldn’t have any bearing on future decisions Me too. If and I expect most of the roster to leave it will be because they want to go elsewhere or black won't pay any increase to the better performing players. This summer will be groundhog day . Yet again and folk wonder why the team is never successful
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Post by kanna on Mar 13, 2024 8:47:22 GMT
That was truly shocking. Ok we have had a tough weekend travel wise but Fife played at the weekend and travelled down today with a short bench. I said before the game we would be ok if the forward lines worked well. Which they didn't. Not sure if it was the coaching or the players but the moment they saw Fife's short bench they should of come out flying with the forwards forechecking. Instead they came out flat. Owen also always plays well in our barn. By not coming out forechecking and getting lots of shots on him early we allowed him to turn in one of his good performances. Especially with some really good saves in the third when we eventually decided to have a few shots on him. That wasn't a short bench for Flyers. We have gone with 9 forwards and 5 D for most of the season, with a couple of spares so we are used to that system and don't have yo adapt to going to 5 D as Panthers did last night
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2024 9:29:13 GMT
Tiredness is no excuse. One team wasn’t at home. One team travelled 8 hours on a bus. One team had three players less than the other. That team won ! If tiredness was a factor,how come the last period was Panthers best ? They just didn’t turn up !
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Post by floridadad on Mar 13, 2024 9:55:06 GMT
Been following the Panthers this season. Tough season to endure. Hope that the team finishes strong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 9:56:44 GMT
Tiredness is no excuse. One team wasn’t at home. One team travelled 8 hours on a bus. One team had three players less than the other. That team won ! If tiredness was a factor,how come the last period was Panthers best ? They just didn’t turn up ! Just excuses after excuses hey
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 9:59:32 GMT
I’m sorry I really just don’t buy this. If the players were that deeply scarred by what happened then they should have already left like Bjorkung chose to do. Yes those couple of months after when it was still raw must have been very difficult and it visibly was it was plain for all to see. But overall the group seems to have recovered and gained some confidence and enjoyment again and the AJ tragedy just can’t be dragged up to be used as an excuse now whenever we play badly or to decide what their futures will be. It happened and nothing will change that whether players decide to stay or go and I think the players are smart enough to know that and shouldn’t have any bearing on future decisions Me too. If and I expect most of the roster to leave it will be because they want to go elsewhere or black won't pay any increase to the better performing players. This summer will be groundhog day . Yet again and folk wonder why the team is never successful That will be down to Pacha though surely? Black will set the budget and it will be up to Pacha how he spends it. For me priority should be given to securing Roy, Nieminen and Neill (possibly Lunsjo and Henbrant too) as they are the proven players for this club in this league and you know exactly what you’re getting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 10:03:00 GMT
Me too. If and I expect most of the roster to leave it will be because they want to go elsewhere or black won't pay any increase to the better performing players. This summer will be groundhog day . Yet again and folk wonder why the team is never successful That will be down to Pacha though surely? Black will set the budget and it will be up to Pacha how he spends it. For me priority should be given to securing Roy, Nieminen and Neill (possibly Lunsjo and Henbrant too) as they are the proven players for this club in this league and you know exactly what you’re getting. Exactly but if some players want a rise other areas of the roster will get paid less than this year as black won't increase the budget so those half decent players won't get the wage they want . Happens every year .. Pacha has to go for me.. hes turned panthers into a non contending team for the first time in 20+ years!
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 10:37:48 GMT
That will be down to Pacha though surely? Black will set the budget and it will be up to Pacha how he spends it. For me priority should be given to securing Roy, Nieminen and Neill (possibly Lunsjo and Henbrant too) as they are the proven players for this club in this league and you know exactly what you’re getting. Exactly but if some players want a rise other areas of the roster will get paid less than this year as black won't increase the budget so those half decent players won't get the wage they want . Happens every year .. Pacha has to go for me.. hes turned panthers into a non contending team for the first time in 20+ years! You’re right and that’s why I say to prioritise them as they would be worth a pay rise as they are the ones who have proven themselves. Top players deserve top money and we do have a couple. Henbrant for example didn’t have the CV that suggests he would be on big money so he would be worth more for next season (not top money though). Some have done enough to come back on the same terms (Lunsjo and Michaud I’d say) and it would be up to them to accept it or not and some shouldn’t be offered anything. Bottom line is players should be paid what they’re worth. Some players stock has risen. Some have stayed the same and some have fallen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 11:29:50 GMT
Exactly but if some players want a rise other areas of the roster will get paid less than this year as black won't increase the budget so those half decent players won't get the wage they want . Happens every year .. Pacha has to go for me.. hes turned panthers into a non contending team for the first time in 20+ years! You’re right and that’s why I say to prioritise them as they would be worth a pay rise as they are the ones who have proven themselves. Top players deserve top money and we do have a couple. Henbrant for example didn’t have the CV that suggests he would be on big money so he would be worth more for next season (not top money though). Some have done enough to come back on the same terms (Lunsjo and Michaud I’d say) and it would be up to them to accept it or not and some shouldn’t be offered anything. Bottom line is players should be paid what they’re worth. Some players stock has risen. Some have stayed the same and some have fallen. I fully agree. There's been a whole load of decent players panthers have had down the years who ended up leaving because black and co wouldn't give them a extra bit to re sign. The big 3 teams retain a core because they are happy to reward their better players with incentives and small wage increases . Theres 2/3 players who panthers should be talking to now and get nailed down before the play off weekend never mind the summer! Do panthers even have a long term plan?
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 13, 2024 11:39:06 GMT
One team had played 4 games in the previous 12 days, and only 2 in the past 7 days
One team had played 6 games in the previous 11 days, and 4 in the past 7 days, 3 in the past 4 days.
But it's good to know the usual suspects could have done twice as many games as both teams combined and still had energy to spare.
Was it a good performance? - no, not at all.
Was it perhaps understandable? - yes. Is it reasonable to suggest there's a reason one team might be huffing and puffing a bit after 3 games in 4 days? - yes.
Putting in 28+ minutes like Ryzek last night is one thing after a week off and something completely different after 3 in 4.
Unless, of course, you're an armchair warrior in which case, as we all know, it's easy peasy lemon squeezy and twice on Tuesdays
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 11:39:59 GMT
You’re right and that’s why I say to prioritise them as they would be worth a pay rise as they are the ones who have proven themselves. Top players deserve top money and we do have a couple. Henbrant for example didn’t have the CV that suggests he would be on big money so he would be worth more for next season (not top money though). Some have done enough to come back on the same terms (Lunsjo and Michaud I’d say) and it would be up to them to accept it or not and some shouldn’t be offered anything. Bottom line is players should be paid what they’re worth. Some players stock has risen. Some have stayed the same and some have fallen. I fully agree. There's been a whole load of decent players panthers have had down the years who ended up leaving because black and co wouldn't give them a extra bit to re sign. The big 3 teams retain a core because they are happy to reward their better players with incentives and small wage increases . Theres 2/3 players who panthers should be talking to now and get nailed down before the play off weekend never mind the summer! Do panthers even have a long term plan? Definitely and Roy, Nieminen and Neill should be top of that list as they will have no shortage of offers. Get them nailed down before anyone else comes knocking
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 11:45:22 GMT
I fully agree. There's been a whole load of decent players panthers have had down the years who ended up leaving because black and co wouldn't give them a extra bit to re sign. The big 3 teams retain a core because they are happy to reward their better players with incentives and small wage increases . Theres 2/3 players who panthers should be talking to now and get nailed down before the play off weekend never mind the summer! Do panthers even have a long term plan? Definitely and Roy, Nieminen and Neill should be top of that list as they will have no shortage of offers. Get them nailed down before anyone else comes knocking Isn't Neill at Uni?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 11:48:08 GMT
One team had played 4 games in the previous 12 days, and only 2 in the past 7 days One team had played 6 games in the previous 11 days, and 4 in the past 7 days, 3 in the past 4 days. But it's good to know the usual suspects could have done twice as many games as both teams combined and still had energy to spare. Was it a good performance? - no, not at all. Was it perhaps understandable? - yes. Is it reasonable to suggest there's a reason one team might be huffing and puffing a bit after 3 games in 4 days? - yes. Putting in 28+ minutes like Ryzek last night is one thing after a week off and something completely different after 3 in 4. Unless, of course, you're an armchair warrior in which case, as we all know, it's easy peasy lemon squeezy and twice on Tuesdays Players logging 28 mins a night is down to being short benched! Imagine if panthers had a spare import d man who they could have drafted in eh.. it's self inflicted so don't churn out excuse after excuse!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2024 11:49:23 GMT
Me too. If and I expect most of the roster to leave it will be because they want to go elsewhere or black won't pay any increase to the better performing players. This summer will be groundhog day . Yet again and folk wonder why the team is never successful That will be down to Pacha though surely? Black will set the budget and it will be up to Pacha how he spends it. For me priority should be given to securing Roy, Nieminen and Neill (possibly Lunsjo and Henbrant too) as they are the proven players for this club in this league and you know exactly what you’re getting. Surly Pasha has to go? Panthers STILL trying to get off of tenth spot? And for me he could take the coach with him in the same bus. Nice guy but I would have every other coach in the league in front of him.
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2024 11:49:37 GMT
One team had played 4 games in the previous 12 days, and only 2 in the past 7 days One team had played 6 games in the previous 11 days, and 4 in the past 7 days, 3 in the past 4 days. But it's good to know the usual suspects could have done twice as many games as both teams combined and still had energy to spare. Was it a good performance? - no, not at all. Was it perhaps understandable? - yes. Is it reasonable to suggest there's a reason one team might be huffing and puffing a bit after 3 games in 4 days? - yes. Putting in 28+ minutes like Ryzek last night is one thing after a week off and something completely different after 3 in 4. Unless, of course, you're an armchair warrior in which case, as we all know, it's easy peasy lemon squeezy and twice on Tuesdays And the reason they had far more life in the 3rd period after two periods of lethargic dross was….? I guess the tiredness just disappeared did it. 🙄 Be honest,over 54 games no Panthers team should ever be below tiny budget teams like Fife,Dundee or Manchester. Even Coventry,Clan and Guildford should really be below them. Nottingham gets what it does because there are far too many Panthers people who constantly make excuses for failure and that’s why nothing ever changes !
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2024 11:52:35 GMT
That will be down to Pacha though surely? Black will set the budget and it will be up to Pacha how he spends it. For me priority should be given to securing Roy, Nieminen and Neill (possibly Lunsjo and Henbrant too) as they are the proven players for this club in this league and you know exactly what you’re getting. Surly Pasha has to go? Panthers STILL trying to get off of tenth spot? And for me he could take the coach with him in the same bus. Nice guy but I would have every other coach in the league in front of him. Yep. Look at the two coaches interviews after last nights game. If I was a player I know which guy I would want to more bust a gut for !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 11:56:08 GMT
One team had played 4 games in the previous 12 days, and only 2 in the past 7 days One team had played 6 games in the previous 11 days, and 4 in the past 7 days, 3 in the past 4 days. But it's good to know the usual suspects could have done twice as many games as both teams combined and still had energy to spare. Was it a good performance? - no, not at all. Was it perhaps understandable? - yes. Is it reasonable to suggest there's a reason one team might be huffing and puffing a bit after 3 games in 4 days? - yes. Putting in 28+ minutes like Ryzek last night is one thing after a week off and something completely different after 3 in 4. Unless, of course, you're an armchair warrior in which case, as we all know, it's easy peasy lemon squeezy and twice on Tuesdays And the reason they had far more life in the 3rd period after two periods of lethargic dross was….? I guess the tiredness just disappeared did it. 🙄 Be honest,over 54 games no Panthers team should ever be below tiny budget teams like Fife,Dundee or Manchester. Even Coventry,Clan and Guildford should really be below them. Nottingham gets what it does because there are far too many Panthers people who constantly make excuses for failure and that’s why nothing ever changes ! And people like B&G bury their heads in the sand and think everything will be ok .. 😂🤦
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 13, 2024 12:08:44 GMT
One team had played 4 games in the previous 12 days, and only 2 in the past 7 days One team had played 6 games in the previous 11 days, and 4 in the past 7 days, 3 in the past 4 days. But it's good to know the usual suspects could have done twice as many games as both teams combined and still had energy to spare. Was it a good performance? - no, not at all. Was it perhaps understandable? - yes. Is it reasonable to suggest there's a reason one team might be huffing and puffing a bit after 3 games in 4 days? - yes. Putting in 28+ minutes like Ryzek last night is one thing after a week off and something completely different after 3 in 4. Unless, of course, you're an armchair warrior in which case, as we all know, it's easy peasy lemon squeezy and twice on Tuesdays Players logging 28 mins a night is down to being short benched! Imagine if panthers had a spare import d man who they could have drafted in eh.. it's self inflicted so don't churn out excuse after excuse! Yes, playing 28 minutes was down to being short benched. My actual point still stands though. Care to address that instead? Having to do play short benched (as many teams have had to do this year - including Giants) after a week off is completely different to having to do it after 3 in 4. The two points are separate. The 3 in 4 isn't self inflicted. We already have one more import than we can play on a game night (and would have had two of Robinson hadn't quit on us). We just don't have 16 healthy ones. That's not the same thing. Yes it would be lovely to have as many import D as Giants but that hasn't really fixed things for them. Having 6 like Sheffield would be my preferred option too even if we only ice 5 a game. But that wasn't my point. So if you want to address the actual point feel free...
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 13, 2024 12:13:38 GMT
And the reason they had far more life in the 3rd period after two periods of lethargic dross was….? I guess the tiredness just disappeared did it. 🙄 Be honest,over 54 games no Panthers team should ever be below tiny budget teams like Fife,Dundee or Manchester. Even Coventry,Clan and Guildford should really be below them. Nottingham gets what it does because there are far too many Panthers people who constantly make excuses for failure and that’s why nothing ever changes ! And people like B&G bury their heads in the sand and think everything will be ok .. 😂🤦 Who's buying their head in the sand? I said the performance wasn't acceptable. The only difference is I also mentioned that given the number of games played in the previous 7 days I'm not surprised and was surprised when others said tiredness was no excuse. So I cut them a little more slack than of they hadn't just played 3 in 4. What about that is burying my head in the sand? I literally said the performance wasn't good enough. So if you want to address what I actually said at any point feel free...
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2024 12:22:54 GMT
And people like B&G bury their heads in the sand and think everything will be ok .. 😂🤦 Who's buying their head in the sand? I said the performance wasn't acceptable. The only difference is I also mentioned that given the number of games played in the previous 7 days I'm not surprised and was surprised when others said tiredness was no excuse. So I cut them a little more slack than of they hadn't just played 3 in 4. What about that is burying my head in the sand? I literally said the performance wasn't good enough. So if you want to address what I actually said at any point feel free... Of course having a month off was going to lead to a heavy schedule down the line. Now a good CEO/GM would have seen that coming and done something about it….Like sign some extra players. But no,in Nottingham that’s not what happens,it’s obviously thinking that’s way too far out of the box for them ! 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 12:39:33 GMT
Who's buying their head in the sand? I said the performance wasn't acceptable. The only difference is I also mentioned that given the number of games played in the previous 7 days I'm not surprised and was surprised when others said tiredness was no excuse. So I cut them a little more slack than of they hadn't just played 3 in 4. What about that is burying my head in the sand? I literally said the performance wasn't good enough. So if you want to address what I actually said at any point feel free... Of course having a month off was going to lead to a heavy schedule down the line. Now a good CEO/GM would have seen that coming and done something about it….Like sign some extra players. But no,in Nottingham that’s not what happens,it’s obviously thinking that’s way too far out of the box for them ! 🙄 Exactly do panthers actually have a plan on anything... Unfortunately they've always been reactive instead of proactive!
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Post by jd on Mar 13, 2024 12:40:53 GMT
Who's buying their head in the sand? I said the performance wasn't acceptable. The only difference is I also mentioned that given the number of games played in the previous 7 days I'm not surprised and was surprised when others said tiredness was no excuse. So I cut them a little more slack than of they hadn't just played 3 in 4. What about that is burying my head in the sand? I literally said the performance wasn't good enough. So if you want to address what I actually said at any point feel free... Of course having a month off was going to lead to a heavy schedule down the line. Now a good CEO/GM would have seen that coming and done something about it….Like sign some extra players. But no,in Nottingham that’s not what happens,it’s obviously thinking that’s way too far out of the box for them ! 🙄 A month off? You for real?
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Post by jd on Mar 13, 2024 12:41:25 GMT
And people like B&G bury their heads in the sand and think everything will be ok .. 😂🤦 Who's buying their head in the sand? I said the performance wasn't acceptable. The only difference is I also mentioned that given the number of games played in the previous 7 days I'm not surprised and was surprised when others said tiredness was no excuse. So I cut them a little more slack than of they hadn't just played 3 in 4. What about that is burying my head in the sand? I literally said the performance wasn't good enough. So if you want to address what I actually said at any point feel free... Sadly a troll wont do that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 12:42:57 GMT
Of course having a month off was going to lead to a heavy schedule down the line. Now a good CEO/GM would have seen that coming and done something about it….Like sign some extra players. But no,in Nottingham that’s not what happens,it’s obviously thinking that’s way too far out of the box for them ! 🙄 A month off? You for real? Well he's not wrong is he. They didn't play hockey for 4 weeks , it's irrespective of what they did or were going through. Not playing for 4 weeks was always going to cause a schedule log jam! Why didn't fantastic Pacha make sure his team were fully equipped for it?
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